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Ventrone, A.English, Jacobs, Dockery, T.Brown, Cousins, Greco, Hagg, Norwood, Paxson, A.Smith, Vallos, Murray are on this team too...only 7 DL so far so I guess 1or2 of the 10 WR/TE will get cut for DL depth...I also expect some OL depth upgrades (C/G McGlynn from the Eagles)...maybe some LB depth too (Diles? Gooden?)...at least 4-5 of those guys are still on the bubble
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Browns projected depth chart, as of Saturday cuts Published: Saturday, September 03, 2011 0digg [Share on MySpace] [Email This] [Print This] [Get RSS Feed] 0 By Jeff Schudel JSchudel@News-Herald.comQUARTERBACK: Starter - Colt McCoy. Backup - Seneca Wallace. RUNNING BACK: Starter - Peyton Hillis. Backups - Montario Hardesty, Armond Smith. FULLBACK: Owen Marecic. WIDE RECEIVERS: Starters - Mohamed Massaquoi, Brian Robiskie. Backups -Josh Cribbs, Greg Little, Jordan Norwood, Carlton Mitchell. TIGHT ENDS: Starter – Benjamin Watson. Backups – Evan Moore, Cameron Jordan, Alex Smith. OFFENSIVE LINE: LT Joe Thomas, LG Jason Pinkston, C Alex Mack, RG Shawn Lauvao, RT Tony Pashos. Backups – T Oniel Cousins, C Steve Vallos, G John Greco, G Pat Murray. DEFENSIVE LINE: Starters – LDE Jayme Mitchell, LDT Phil Taylor, RDT Ahtyba Rubin, RDE Jabaal Sheard. Backups – DE Derreck Robinson, DE Marcus Benard, DT Brian Schaefering, DT Scott Paxson, DE Auston English. LINEBACKERS: Starters - LOLB Scott Fujita, MLB D’Qwell Jackson. ROLB Chris Gocong. Backups – OLB Kaluka Maiava, OLB Benjamin Jacobs, MLB Titus Brown. DEFENSIVE BACKS: Starters – LCB Joe Haden, SS T.J. Ward, FS Mike Adams, RCB Sheldon Brown. Backups – CB Buster Skrine, S Usama Young, S Ray Ventrone, DB James Dockery, CB Dimitri Patterson, S Eric Hagg. SPECIALISTS: Kicker Phil Dawson, Punter Richmond McGee, Long snapper Ryan Pontbriand, kick returner Cribbs, punter returner Cribbs. web page
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I think that has much to do with Jackson's injury.
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(6) WR: Mohamed Massaquoi; Joshua Cribbs; Greg Little; Brian Robiskie; Jordan Norwood; Carlton Mitchell.
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Jason Pinkston
C: Alex Mack
RG: Shawn Lauvao
RT: Tony Pashos
(^9) OL: John Greco; Oniel Cousins; Pat Murray; Steve Vallos.
(4)TE: Benjamin Watson; Evan Moore; Alex Smith; Jordan Cameron.
(2) QB: Colt McCoy; Seneca Wallace.
(1) FB: Owen Marecic.
(3) RB: Peyton Hillis; Montario Hardesty; Armond Smith.
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LE: Jayme Mitchell
DT: Phil Taylor
DT: Ahtyba Rubin
RE: Jabaal Sheard
(^9) DL: Scott Paxson; Derrick Robinson; Brian Schaefering; Auston English; Marcus Benard.
SLB: Scott Fujita
MLB: D’Qwell Jackson
WLB: Kaluka Maiava
(^6) LB: Chris Gocong; Titus Brown; Benjamin Jacobs
LCB: Joe Haden
RCB: Sheldon Brown
FS: Mike Adams
SS: T.J. Ward
(10) DB: Usama Young; Buster Skrine; Dimitri Patterson; James Dockery; Ray Ventrone; Eric Hagg.
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P: Richmond McGee
K: Phil Dawson
LS: Ryan Pontbriand
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Maybe because he's also decent FB who can catch?
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I was hoping Clutts made it. A SF 49er friend of mine and I are in a fantasy league together. The name of our team was going to be No Clutts, No Gore-y. 
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Maybe because he's also decent FB who can catch?
the guy is garbage!
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Third down short yardage TE, just be thankful that Robert Royal is no longer with the team.
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why is Ventrone still on this team? 
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Because he is an excellent special teamer, and like it or not, teams need excellent, core special teams players.
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Because he is an excellent special teamer, and like it or not, teams need excellent, core special teams players.
I bet a team liek San Diego would have enjoyed having a guy like Ventrone last year...
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Because he is an excellent special teamer, and like it or not, teams need excellent, core special teams players.
I bet a team liek San Diego would have enjoyed having a guy like Ventrone last year...
, Unfortunetly when kick offs are in the end zone, you kow longer need special teams only players
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Because he is an excellent special teamer, and like it or not, teams need excellent, core special teams players.
I bet a team liek San Diego would have enjoyed having a guy like Ventrone last year...
, Unfortunetly when kick offs are in the end zone, you kow longer need special teams only players
Kickoffs are only one part of special teams. You still have punt coverage and return teams. Those are not inconsequential.
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RUNNING BACK: Starter - Peyton Hillis. Backups - Montario Hardesty, Armond Smith
Ugh... a brittle back who is, essentially, a rookie and a rookie who needs to learn to hang onto the football. U-G-L-Y
I'd feel a little better if we picked up Chester Taylor and stashed Smith on the PS. Taylor is still a good 3rd down back. Very good a blitz pickup, very good receiver and a pretty good runner. I'd feel better with him back there than Hardesty or Smith.
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Taylor averaged 2.6 yards per carry last year. He is horrible.
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I would also bring Taylor in. He'll be 32 years old in a couple weeks - hardly the fossil some make him out to be. Guys can still play at 32, especially in a 3rd down role.
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In 2009 Taylor averaged 3.6 yards. Last year he averaged 2.4 yards. He will turn 32-years-old in two weeks. He was beat out by Marion Barber, who was also horrible.
I'd much rather have Hardesty or Smith over him because there is more potential for upside. And Hillis is our third down back. I don't get why people are so quick to replace him in probably his best role.
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Can't rely on Hardesty to stay healthy (and he looked tentative and slow in what little action he saw). Can't rely on Smith to hang on to the football or pick up a blitzer.
I'll take Taylor over either of those guys any day of the week this season. He can still run the ball (stats are for losers), he's very good at recognizing and picking up the blitz and he is a very good receiver out of the backfield. He's a more complete back now than either Hardesty or Smith may ever be.
Obviously, Taylor wouldn't be anything but a one, MAYBE two-year stop gap. However he would give us some much needed experience in the backfield when Hillis needs a breather. I'd bring him in for a look-see.
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What has Taylor done in the last two years that shows you he can run the ball?
I really don't get all the Taylor love.
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What has that OL done for any of their running backs that helped them be successful? They nearly got Cuttler killed and he did get knocked out of the Championship game.
That's why you can't use individual stats to evaluate players. Their success is highly dependent upon the other players on that side of the ball. It's a team sport.
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Nobody suggested replacing Hillis with Taylor on 3rd down. We're talking about a replacement for Brandon Jackson, in whatever role they had in mind for him, whether it be to give Hillis a few plays off, or as change-of-pace, or on 3rd down. It also just so happens that the Bears had the worst ranked offensive line for the 2010 season, according to NFL.com ( http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?a...e&Submit=Go ). The offensive lines are ranked by things like: *Experience; combined career starts for the two guards, two tackles and center on team with the most starts in the current season. *Rushing first downs. *Rushes for negative yards. *Rushes for 10 or more yards. * Percentage of rushes on 3rd or 4th down with 2 or fewer yards to go that achieved a first down or TD. (Also includes rushes on 1st-and-goal and 2nd-and-goal from the opponent's 2-yard line or closer.) *Sacks, hurries, QB hits The Bears ranked lastIts also very possible - although I can't say for sure, didn't watch the Bears much - that Taylor was in on a lot of 3rd and short situations & goal line situations that lend to a low rushing average. I don't think being 32 means a guy is washed up. Taylor looked strong vs the Browns Thursday night, and yes, I know it was against scrubs. But he runs downhill, still seems to accelerate well, and appears to me to be a guy that could help a team that is thin at RB depth.
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I dont understand it either. There is no way I would swap Taylor for Hardesty or Smith. I still think Smith will get cut due to some waiver wire signings but I dont expect Taylor to be the reason or one to take his spot. In truth Im hoping Smith sticks on the roster this year.
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What about the Vikings in 2009? Because he was also horrible then.
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Can't rely on Hardesty to stay healthy (and he looked tentative and slow in what little action he saw). Can't rely on Smith to hang on to the football or pick up a blitzer.
I'll take Taylor over either of those guys any day of the week this season. He can still run the ball (stats are for losers), he's very good at recognizing and picking up the blitz and he is a very good receiver out of the backfield. He's a more complete back now than either Hardesty or Smith may ever be.
Obviously, Taylor wouldn't be anything but a one, MAYBE two-year stop gap. However he would give us some much needed experience in the backfield when Hillis needs a breather. I'd bring him in for a look-see.
Let's see,, Colt McCoy got injured seriously enough to miss games twice, once in college and once last year where he missed time.
Two years in a row, he got injured..
we can't rely on him either I guess
the point is,, the stuff that happened to Hardesty may never happen again. in fact, there is no evidence that says it's even more likely to happen. yet, there is evidence to say that repaired ACL's are stronger.
As for Taylor,, he looked very good in the game against our 2nd and 3rd teamers.. he was decent in 09 but not very good at all in 2010.
bottom line, if Armond Smith can't hang onto the ball and Hardesty gets hurt, I have to believe there is someone better out there to bring in.
We have a young team,, we're building from the bottom up,, I'd rather bring in Quinn Porter and give him a shot rather than take Taylor who appears to be on the slide.
Oh,, I did a quick check of Smith and fumbling,, not a big history of it for him. I mean, I actually didn't find mention of it except for the fumbles with the browns in a preseason game.
So the guy has his first game in the pros,, probably about as nervious as any of us would be, and he put the ball on the ground. not good.. but kinda understandable.
All RB's fumble from time to time, Hell, Hillis did it last season.. and will most likely do it again. especially the way he plays..
I sure hope I didn't miss something about Smith being a fumbler in college..
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I look at it like this:
A back like Taylor will be sitting on the sidelines, available should he be needed. A back like that can be brought in and will know how to operate in an offense rather quickly if needed.
A back like Smith needs reps and development.
If we are looking at the best combination of filling needs for this year, and for the future, then Smith stays over a washed up RB like Taylor. If we panic, then we release Smith (who has enough potential, and publicity from the long run in pre-season) who is at least a 50-50 chance of being lost to another team.
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We have a young team,, we're building from the bottom up,, I'd rather bring in Quinn Porter and give him a shot rather than take Taylor who appears to be on the slide.
True, but Heckert did bring in Brandon Jackson for that role. I think they wanted a proven, experienced blocker and pass catcher as much as anything. Although Quinn Porter or another youngster may develop into a great player with those attributes I do believe Heckert wanted those attributes right away.
A young player can develop but a proven player can help now and with the uncertainty of Hardesty that's what we need over a late round pick. Losing Jackson was a big blow to the offense.
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Smith never had a fumble in college.
He had 2 in a game for the Browns, then appeared to pay far more attention to ball security in the Bears game. To me that demonstrates a willingness to learn, and do what the coaches tell you to do. I think that will really help him.
Now that I've said all that, he'll probably get cut. lol I hope not though. He has the one thing you can't teach, and the one thing this team lacks, and that's speed and big play ability.
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You seem to believe someone is suggesting he come in as our feature back, when all I'm saying is we need some insurance. Hillis got banged up and worn out last year, we don't know if Hardesty is healthy or can stay healthy, and Smith is an unknown that may or may not be a fumbler. There was a reason they brought Brandon Jackson in, and now that he is IR, they need to address that perceived shortcoming. Whether it should be Taylor or not is arguable, Clearly, you don't think he can play, and I think he can. I guess we'll see if anyone signs him or not. If not, I'll admit I was wrong about him.
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Honestly, if we were a good enough team to really stand a chance at the playoffs or were considered good enough to maybe even win it all, then I guess I could see trying to stash Smith on the PS and hope nobody noticed, but given our cirsumstances, knowing that it will be probably be a struggle to win 8 games, I'd say the smarter move is to hang onto smith,, develop him and see if there is something there for the long haul.
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It appears that way to me also.. But unlike some folks, I'm not down on Marecic.., just didn't see enough from him,, actually felt like I saw more from Clutts.. Maybe they'll be able to get Clutts to the PS..
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I think Smith gave the Browns the luxury of placing Jackson on IR and he will probably be released via injury settlement. Jackson should be able to play in a few months and find a spot somewhere else as teams begin losing backs.
Smith has elite level speed and he is also a between the tackles runner. That is rare find and with this monster offensive line and hard charging Hillis pounding away at teams, Smith's home run ability should come through often. Think Jerome Bettis and Fast Willie Parker.
I am absolutely pumped with the thoughts of these two backs running behind this offensive line.
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Thats confirmed per KFFL http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nflBrowns | Thaddeus Lewis claimed Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:42:50 -0700 The Cleveland Browns have claimed free-agent QB Thaddeus Lewis (Rams) off waivers. 0 Comments | Share: | Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch - Jim Thomas
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Never heard of him......must be a guy we scouted and liked.
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Browns claimed LB Quinton Spears off waivers from the Dolphins.
Spears made a few impact plays in training camp and preseason action, but he's raw coming out of Prairie View A&M. He recorded 70 tackles, 4.5 sacks, one forced fumble and three blocked kicks as a senior last season.
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