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If I was Luck in that situation, "Go ahead and pick me, I won't report, you'll waste a pick and then I'll re-enter the draft next season. I can play one more season at Stanford. Eat it."
Once you declare, you can't then go back, right? Especially after you've been drafted...
I think Bo got drafted by the Yucks, went and played baseball, then got drafted by the RRRRRRaiders... Different story.
I thought it all depends on if he signs with an agent. As long as he doesn't do that, he can go back. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Personally, if I was Luck here is where I would want to go (of the teams that could get the #1 overall pick): 1. Indy - plenty of offensive fire-power. O-scheme is incredibly complicated and impossible to pickup for a FA QB like Collins as everything was line adjustements and route adjustments with Peyton pulling the strings. But, the talent is there (on offense) and he could learn the system from Peyton. 2. SF - old coach, talent at RB/WR/TE plus they have invested in OL in the draft as well. as mentioned, his old Stanford coach and he gets to stay in NoCal where he is comfortable. 3. Minnesota - Luck paired up with Peterson. Develop a play-action pass and go from there. 4. Miami - alot of pieces, but they do need a reboot I think. OL is better run blocking than pass, but they have the WR talent and it could be a quick turnaround there if the right decisions are made (despite the tough division) 5. Atlanta's #1 pick - hey, they are 1-2 
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I'm pretty sure once Manning leaves, the system in Indy will change.
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I'm pretty sure once Manning leaves, the system in Indy will change.
unless Peyton tutors Luck on that system for 1-2 seasons.
Peyton is all about his legacy. and, if he can tie the future success of Luck back to his legacy, then he will do it.
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If I was Luck in that situation, "Go ahead and pick me, I won't report, you'll waste a pick and then I'll re-enter the draft next season. I can play one more season at Stanford. Eat it."
Once you declare, you can't then go back, right? Especially after you've been drafted...
I think Bo got drafted by the Yucks, went and played baseball, then got drafted by the RRRRRRaiders... Different story.
I thought it all depends on if he signs with an agent. As long as he doesn't do that, he can go back. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
IIRC, A player can pull back up till a certain point in time, then he is in the draft, and gives up his eligibility.
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http://www.ehow.com/list_6728395_nfl-draft-rules-underclassmen.html
Declaring
NFL teams can't draft an underclassman unless he has declared himself eligible for the draft. Players wishing to enter the draft must submit to the league a signed and notarized petition renouncing all their remaining college eligibility. The deadline for declaring for the draft is Jan. 15. The draft is usually held in late April.
Backing Out
The standard draft petition includes a clause allowing the player to revoke the petition within three days of the NFL's draft declaration date. That means a player has until Jan. 18 to back out and return to college football. The NCAA, which writes the rules for college football, allows college players to "test the waters" like this one time while they are in school. However, if a player makes any kind of agreement, oral or written, to be represented by a player agent, or accepts anything from an agent or anyone working for an agent, the NCAA will void all his remaining eligibility. When Clarett lost his court case in 2004 and was thus barred from the draft, he was unable to return to college football for this reason.
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No matter what, he'll know who is picking at #1 Overall before he has to even declare.
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“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
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I wish there was a Draft Order calculator so I could keep tabs on who's pick is where every week... 
Ask and you shall receive. Granted I don't know about teams that have traded away their 1st round pick (such as Atlanta to us), but here is the up-to-date 2012 draft order. Rankings are based on 1) Winning Pct 2) Strength of Schedule 3) Division Win Pct 4) Conference Win Pct 5) Coin Flip. Two teams listed for the same number indicate a tie after the first 4 categories which would require the coin flip.
1. St Louis Rams
2. Indianapolis Colts
Miami Dolphins
4. Minnesota Vikings
5. Kansas City Chiefs
6. Philadelphia Eagles
7. Atlanta Falcons
Arizona Cardinals
9. Denver Broncos
10. Carolina Panthers
11. Seattle Seahawks
12. Cincinnati Bengals
Jacksonville Jaguars
14. Chicago Bears
15. Cleveland Browns
16. San Diego Chargers
17. Houston Texans
18. Pittsburgh Steelers
19. New York Giants
20. Tennessee Titans
21. Baltimore Ravens
22. Tampa Bay Bucs
23. San Francisco 49ers
24. New York Jets
25. New England Patriots
Washington Redskins
27. New Orleans Saints
28. Oakland Raiders
Dallas Cowboys
30. Detroit Lions
31. Buffalo Bills
Green Bay Packers
It's all in a spreadsheet so I'll be happy to keep this updated every week.
Edit to say: of course the final 8 spots will be dependent on who makes the playoffs but for now it's just ranked by the normal criteria.
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I'd be glad to get 7 and 15 next year.......but I'd rather have 31 and 32 (31 being from Atlanta of course). 
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Why wouldn't you rather have 7 and 32 as long as we are still the 32? heck we could have 1 and 32 and be the only team in NFL history to win a super bowl with a 24 year old QB and then use the #1 pick to take his replacement. 
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Well, I was just playing.....1 and 32 would be best, of course. And I wouldn't dare replace Colt if he just won us a Super Bowl. I'd sell the pick ala Ricky Williams (give me your entire draft and most of next years too).
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You just forgot to include "I hate what-ifs!" at the end of your what-if.
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Up-to-date "Luck" of the draft standings after Week 4:
1. St Louis Rams
2. Indianapolis Colts
3t. Minnesota Vikings
3t. Miami Dolphins
5. Carolina Panthers
6t. Philadelphia Eagles
6t. Arizona Cardinals
8. Seattle Seahawks
9. Jacksonville Jaguars
10. Kansas City Chiefs
11. Denver Broncos
12. Cleveland Browns
13. Pittsburgh Steelers
14. Atlanta Falcons
15. New York Jets
16. Oakland Raiders
17. Cincinnati Bengals
18. Chicago Bears
19. Dallas Cowboys
20. San Diego Chargers
21. New York Giants
22. Houston Texans
23. Washington Redskins
24. Tampa Bay Bucs
25. San Francisco 49ers
26. Tennessee Titans
27. Baltimore Ravens
28. New England Patriots
29. Buffalo Bills
30. New Orleans Saints
31. Detroit Lions
32. Green Bay Packers
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I'll be interested to see what teams like the Rams, Vikings, Panthers, Cardinals, Colts, or Jaguars would do with the number one overall pick. They either have QB's or invested heavily in QB's.
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#12 and #14, plus a 2nd could get us #1, if we decided to go that route, I bet
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I'm hoping we have back to back picks. That'd be fun.
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Somehow I don't think that would be enough. It would probably require dipping into the 2013 draft as well, but I guess that depends on who is holding the cards at #1.
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#12 and #14, plus a 2nd could get us #1, if we decided to go that route, I bet
Somehow I don't think that would be enough. It would probably require dipping into the 2013 draft as well, but I guess that depends on who is holding the cards at #1.
We can just hope Mangini gets the Miami job and they end up with the worst record and trade us the #1 overall for a 3rd rounder and the box of doughnuts he left in the fridge...
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Up-to-date "Luck" of the draft standings after Week 5:  On a side note, it'd be super duper fantastic if we could actually insert tables into posts and not have to resort to uploading pictures. If I'm completely missing something with the message board code that DOES allow it please let me know.
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I hate looking at these after we have a bye week. Especially this early in the year.
I applaud the effort though.
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Maybe ask in the Ref forum?
That way PPE would be sure to see it.
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Yeah I just asked in the Ref Corner. We'll see what he says but I sure couldn't find a way to do it.
Back to the thread - I don't think we'll be hanging onto that #15 spot for long. The second half of our schedule is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult than the beginning...shown by the fact that our Strength of Schedule is currently the 2nd easiest in the whole NFL to the Giants.
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Yeah I just asked in the Ref Corner. We'll see what he says but I sure couldn't find a way to do it.
Back to the thread - I don't think we'll be hanging onto that #15 spot for long. The second half of our schedule is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult than the beginning...shown by the fact that our Strength of Schedule is currently the 2nd easiest in the whole NFL to the Giants.
The NFC West is cupcake though. The Rams and Cards are really bad. We should beat Seattle.
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Let's say Atlanta picks it up, and SNEAKS into the playoffs...
They hit a good stretch and make it to the NFC Title game and lose...
Who's at all interested (depending on whats where of course) of say, finding someone thats looking to trade back into the 1st round, and we pick up say a 3rd this year and their 1st next year?
Or something to that effect?
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Works for me, but it is way too early to be thinking this out very far.
Let's just root against the Falcons and root for the Browns.
Any way you cut it, we have 2 first rounders on the slate.
We should get a couple of good players or have the ammo to move in any direction we choose.
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I can't believe there are 8 teams with 1 or 0 wins. Wow.
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We should get a couple of good players or have the ammo to move in any direction we choose.
Given that we are going to have 2 first rounders and given that it looks like at least 1 of them (if not both) are going to be pretty high, maybe even top 10... unless we package to move UP, I really hope we don't use everything to trade back for more picks and more "good" players... not that we don't need good players but I am of the opinion that we have quite a few "good" players, what we lack is difference makers and you have much better odds of finding those in the top 10.
For example, we need a "good" RT but we need a difference maker at WR.... and maybe one at QB...
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The NFL Draft: Most exciting sports related event in Cleveland since 19*****
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No, just the most exciting Browns event since the late '80's... except for a stretch here or there.
The Indians and Cavs have had actual sports success in that timeframe.
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I can't believe there are 8 teams with 1 or 0 wins. Wow.
I think it's a combination of things.
No off-season.
Some legitimately bad NFL teams.
Andrew Luck.
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If the Browns can't get Luck, I want Matt Barkley.
That's one of the things that scares me about this draft and I will confess that I haven't really gotten into it too deep yet but I'm concerned that with all of the hoopla surrounding Luck, that somebody (hopefully not us) is going to reach for the second best or even third best QB of the draft whether he is worth it or not. Drafting the wrong QB with a high first round pick would set this franchise back a lot further than even giving Colt another year....
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If the Browns can't get Luck, I want Matt Barkley.
That's one of the things that scares me about this draft and I will confess that I haven't really gotten into it too deep yet but I'm concerned that with all of the hoopla surrounding Luck, that somebody (hopefully not us) is going to reach for the second best or even third best QB of the draft whether he is worth it or not. Drafting the wrong QB with a high first round pick would set this franchise back a lot further than even giving Colt another year....
But passing on the right QB could be fatal.
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I don't understand why the Luck hype would make a team take someone else??
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Not really. There are usually a couple good QBs in every draft, some drafts deeper than others.. .if you pass on one then you may have to work harder to get one next year... but drafting the wrong one that high costs you 3 or 4 years usually...
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I don't understand why the Luck hype would make a team take someone else??
Maybe it won't, but the bridesmaids always look better standing next to a hot bride.
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But passing on the right QB could be fatal.
Not really. There are usually a couple good QBs in every draft, some drafts deeper than others.. .if you pass on one then you may have to work harder to get one next year... but drafting the wrong one that high costs you 3 or 4 years usually...
Good QBs yes ..... but if you pass on the right QB, you're cooked.
A "good enough" QB isn't in this league. It used to be ..... but you need a great QB these days if you want to win a championship. (or multiple championships)
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