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That's just ridicolous. Especially considering the offense they run. They actually run the ball a lot more than most would think so Luck isn't just in a pass happy offense. It's cruel to the other team watching him make adjustments at the o-line.
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Looking at OSU's schedule, they're only going to be favored in 2 of the last 7 games (IU & PU). I think they're a dog in the other 5 (Nebraska, Illinois, Wiscy, PSU and UM) and 3 of the 5 (Nebraska, Illinois and UM) are road games.
They may go in to UM needing to win to become bowl eligible.
I just don't see it in Miller. His decision making is awful and his arm strength is poor. That's not a great combo. OSU is going to be down until they find a QB, which with the coaching instability, may be a while.
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OSU is going to be down until they find a QB
We just need okay QB play. Our defense is fine, our wrs will be more experienced and our RBs are getting their feet wet.
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Anyone who watched even parts of the miami or msu games knows that the coaching insability will be resolved in the offseason. Fickell stands zero chance at retaining this job.
As far as Miller goes, He's going to have to earn playing time, because whatever new coach is in, didn't recruit him and didn't make him any promises.
A Buckeye beat writer reported on Saturday that when Braxton came off the field, nobody was coaching him up, talking to him, doing anything. He just went and sat down.
I thought the defense played well, 10 points against anyone is a pretty well done job.
I want to see how these returning starters help the team, but I honestly don't think it will help that much. Luckily maybe the Buckeye D can get Martinez to throw a few P6's.
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A Buckeye beat writer reported on Saturday that when Braxton came off the field, nobody was coaching him up, talking to him, doing anything. He just went and sat down.
That's Braxton Miller.
He will intentionally walk the other direction of coaches.
I saw him do it for 4 years in high school.
Sure, it's the coaches responsibility to go over and make him listen, but I don't know about you guys, but I'd want a QB who makes an effort to get help, not an effort to avoid it.
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A Buckeye beat writer reported on Saturday that when Braxton came off the field, nobody was coaching him up, talking to him, doing anything. He just went and sat down.
That's Braxton Miller.
He will intentionally walk the other direction of coaches.
I saw him do it for 4 years in high school.
Sure, it's the coaches responsibility to go over and make him listen, but I don't know about you guys, but I'd want a QB who makes an effort to get help, not an effort to avoid it.
I don't really care if that's Braxton Miller or not, the coaches need to do their jobs.
Luke Fickell is in over his head. Jim Bollman knows better, as well. Anyone wonder if he's a little upset that he was bypassed for the job?
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I don't disagree that the coaches should do something about it.
But, don't you want a QB that will actively seek out help, instead of actively try to avoid it?
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I don't disagree that the coaches should do something about it.
But, don't you want a QB that will actively seek out help, instead of actively try to avoid it?
obviously I do, but I think with someone that young, it should be on the coaches to talk with him. He's 18 years old, he doesn't know anything. He probably shouldn't even be out there right now.
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Counting down the days until Bollman is gone.  If Russell Wilson was 5 inches taller he'd be the 2nd best QB behind Andrew Luck.
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Anyone who watched even parts of the miami or msu games knows that the coaching insability will be resolved in the offseason. Fickell stands zero chance at retaining this job.
It will be interesting. The NCAA has yet to rule on OSU and now ESPN is starting to hint that more violations are going to surface.
While I think they'll certainly boot Fickell (duh), the NCAA's ruling could ultimately affect the coaching choices. There are always people willing to step in to the OSU job but the severity of the levied sanctions will determine the number of quality candidates there are to choose from. Not only that but with the cloud of NCAA violations, OSU will really feel a lot of pressure to steer clear of guys who have had any sort of NCAA issues in the past (which will more than likely widdle down the options a bit more).
OSU's biggest issue is going to become talent and quality depth, not coaching. Especially if they face a scholarship reductions or post season bans.
Their 2011 recruiting was good but not great given their run of success (#11 class)....and their 2012 recruiting has been off to a really slow start (#26 class). With the prospect that Dunn (their highest ranked recruit) is bolting, that number doesn't seem to be getting any better in the near future. What's worse, he looks to headed to Michigan....who OSU has already lost Kalis, Wormley and Strobel too.
8 of the top 25 players in the state of Ohio are committed to Michigan in 2012, with a likely 9th in Dunn. In state recruiting should be the first alarm bell to go off and it has. As a point of reference, Ohio state had 10 of the top 25 in 2011. Michigan had just 1 last year and it was the #20th ranked recruit.
OSU faces an uphill battle as this season slides and the NCAA investigation (and ultimate ruling) stretches out. Kalis and Dunn are both big time recruits who have referenced the pending sanctions and uncertainty at coach as huge factors in their desire to look elsewhere. Maybe that gets cleared up but by December (or January), when a new coach is finally named but he has little to no time to salvage the 2012 class.
Then he has to step in to 2013 with maybe the worst QB situation in the conference and NCAA sanctions coming (or possibly a ruling already laid down). It's just a tough, tough situation, that's all I'm pointing out. For me, it just doesn't look like something that's going to get resolved immediately. I think the dip OSU sees in performance will be much bigger than many of their fans are anticipating. The hole that's going to be opened up by a poor recruiting class and potential scholarship reductions is really going to hurt them.
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ESPN hinting at more, weren't they really just talking about the extra game that those 3 got?
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Anyone who watched even parts of the miami or msu games knows that the coaching insability will be resolved in the offseason. Fickell stands zero chance at retaining this job.
As far as Miller goes, He's going to have to earn playing time, because whatever new coach is in, didn't recruit him and didn't make him any promises.
A Buckeye beat writer reported on Saturday that when Braxton came off the field, nobody was coaching him up, talking to him, doing anything. He just went and sat down.
I thought the defense played well, 10 points against anyone is a pretty well done job.
I want to see how these returning starters help the team, but I honestly don't think it will help that much. Luckily maybe the Buckeye D can get Martinez to throw a few P6's.
If Urban Meyer is the next coach, he did recruit Braxton Miller. Miller chose Ohio State over Florida. You're right about Fickell. He's in way over his head. It's not his fault however. Can't expect much when he never was the head coach at any level in his career.
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it's really easy to question the decision to make him the interim coach, or whatever you want to call it, after the fact.
but honestly, how can you not??
i don't have anything against the guy, any one of us would have jumped on the opportunity, but he made it very clear he's not head coaching material. I mean anywhere. not Ohio State, not even a team in the Sun Belt conference.
I hope it's Urban Meyer, I would probably put money on it being Urban Meyer, however I still have a small shred of doubt that he may not be up for this or any job. Although maybe he sees this as a window that may never be open again.
It would be awesome though. Plus we would avoid a Brian Kelly type situation where you have a guy bolt on his kids before they even played their bowl game. Urban could get in there right away and start working.
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Fickell was a "plug in" due to the late firing/retirement of Tress. The Bucks didn't have much choice at that time. He was not - is not - ready to be a head coach. But no one else worthy would've have been willing to come at such a late date.
It will probably hurt recruiting for a year, maybe more. This was a lost season for the bucks even before it started. Everyone knows that, Fickell included.
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Fickell was a "plug in" due to the late firing/retirement of Tress. The Bucks didn't have much choice at that time. He was not - is not - ready to be a head coach. But no one else worthy would've have been willing to come at such a late date.
It will probably hurt recruiting for a year, maybe more. This was a lost season for the bucks even before it started. Everyone knows that, Fickell included.
I totally agree. They weren't going to get anyone notable to come in, with the investigations still underway and too many questions in the air.
However, the interim tag, and then removing the interim tag shows how stupid Gene Smith is. That's a whole different conversation right there.
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If Urban Meyer is the next coach, he did recruit Braxton Miller.
But not as a Quarterback.
Ohio State is the only "Major" program that offered Braxton Miller the opportunity to play Quarterback.
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Cardale Jones, a QB from Cleveland Glenville, is supposed to be coming to OSU for the 2012 season. I believe he's currently at a JUCO or something like that.
I saw him play (albeit only a few games, similar to Braxton Miller), and Jones was a beast. He threw beautiful passes but was also very mobile.
Anyone else see him play in HS?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I saw him play once.
Didn't really watch him that closely, though, so I can't give you much of an opinion.
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Here is his page on Scouting Ohio. It has a few highlight video's.
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Well, my opinion shouldn't matter at all.
I thought Justin Zwick would be a no. 1 draft pick someday.
I thought Braxton Miller would light things up (which maybe he will, but he sure ain't now).
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I've got a question regarding Meyer at Ohio State. Would all of you buy into his offensive philosophy considering how many felt the spread failed in the Big 10 up at UM.
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The offense didn't fail. The defense did.
 Yep - Michigan put up a ton of points they just couldn't stop anyone. Meyer usually fielded descent defenses as well - Rodriguez never did.
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Yep - Michigan put up a ton of points they just couldn't stop anyone. Meyer usually fielded descent defenses as well - Rodriguez never did.
I would like to add in here that it's not like Tressel didn't run a spread-offense w/ Troy Smith and some spread-option mixed in once we went with Terrelle Pryor.
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I'd also like to add the vast majority on here drubbed Urban and UF for running the spread....calling it a gimmick offense, so if he does go to OSU, I'd expect to hear the same comments......for me, I'll root for OSU more if Meyer goes there. OSU needs to do something.. Oh.....you don't have to remind me we just got trounced by UA and haven't won a national championship in 2 years......I know. 
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I thought Urban had health issues which forced him to leave UF? I've been hearing rumblings of Gruden and Dungy.
Me as well, but in bar talks, people up there seem to think Meyer left UF so he could land the OSU job.
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I thought Urban had health issues which forced him to leave UF? I've been hearing rumblings of Gruden and Dungy.
If we hire those two.
Kill me now. Gruden is incredibly overated and Dungy won because of Manning.
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I thought Urban had health issues which forced him to leave UF? I've been hearing rumblings of Gruden and Dungy.
If we hire those two.
Kill me now. Gruden is incredibly overated and Dungy won because of Manning.
Both are good coaches, Dungy had good teams before Peyton. Both would be able to recruit like hell because of their name. And that is the name of the game at the College level.
Tressel wasn't the best game day coach but he could recruit.
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Me as well, but in bar talks, people up there seem to think Meyer left UF so he could land the OSU job.
That would have to be some great insight on his part. When he left the program Tressel was going to still be the coach and we were two months away from the whole "Tressel knew earlier that he said" story came out. And even after that Tressel was going to stay until even more stuff was coming out.
Not to mention Florida has a lot more money available and is in a better conference right now so why move? Ohio State is going to need at least a season or two to get back. A Meyer or other big name will be needed to get a few good recruiting classes, but Florida isn't in a bad situation right now. So I don't think he left Florida to get tOSU job.
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Are you kidding? Nobody wanted to play those Tampa Bay teams that Dungy coached.
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Are you kidding? Nobody wanted to play those Tampa Bay teams that Dungy coached.
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If we hire those two.
Kill me now. Gruden is incredibly overated and Dungy won because of Manning.
Both are good coaches, Dungy had good teams before Peyton. Both would be able to recruit like hell because of their name. And that is the name of the game at the College level.
Tressel wasn't the best game day coach but he could recruit.
Yeah, look how well that worked out for Notre Dame. Recruits don't just go to schools because of a big name head coach.
I guarantee Luke Fickell is 10x the recruiter those two are. He's been our closer when it comes to big name defensive players.
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Yeah, look how well that worked out for Notre Dame. Recruits don't just go to schools because of a big name head coach.
I'm sorry I missed where ND signed a former Superbowl Winning Head Coach.
Oh you mean Weis, yeah, he is no Dungy or Gruden and was an Offensive Coordinator which most high school kids outside of Boston had no clue of before he was hired.
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Oh come on, you believe that fluff crap? No one went to tOSU because of Luke Fickell. They went because it tOSU and Jim.
Luke 10x the recruiter....seriously crack kills, put the pipe down.
You can walk up to any HS football player in Texas and Florida and ask who Luke Fickell is and see how many will be able to tell you. Then ask them who Gruden and Dungy are.
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Oh and Weis had some of the top recruiting classes while at Notre Dame, he just didn't get it done of the field. He was also never a head coach at any level prior to the ND job.
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Also why would Tony Dungy leave the Colts and them decide to coach college football? That is a massive step down when he could get calls from an NFL team. Name me some NFL superbowl winning head coaches that decided to coach college. If you can do that, find me ones that were successful. Nick Saban was a terrible NFL coach but is an incredible recruiter. Remeber when Alabama was just average? USC was okay before Pete Carrol got to USC. Pete also sucked in the NFL.
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I know it's crazy...for the reasons you mention.
I am just telling you what a few yo-yo's were saying.
Only Meyer knows what the problem is.
OSU would be a tempting position for him. Home state and a top 10 college job no matter who is doing the ratings of top college jobs.
Possibly a year off has him refreshed....but something caused him to melt down and unless that is fixed, it's bound to happen again.
I could be totally wrong, but I don't think he goes back to coaching any time soon. It has to be less stressful breaking down plays on camera from your den and a little studio work v coaching a major college program.
There isn't a lot of down time in that.
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