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I wish Shurmur would do the same for Colt
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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At this point, I'd like to see Peen be right and the rest of us wrong. I think it would be amusing.
But if will be tough for them to win games scoring only 10 points on offense.
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Tebow is turning the game back into the pre forward pass NFL. I watch the NFL to watch forward passing. Not some 1940's style garbage. Everything that Paul Brown tried to change in the NFL Tebow and his highschool offense is thumbing it's nose at.
I hate the option. HATE IT! I could care less if it was Tebow running it or Jesus himself. I'd still hate it and pray for it to fail on the NFL level.
That and quite frankly Tebow comes off as fake. Something about his holier than thou act comes off as creepy. Hey Tim go have a beer and get laid. Act like a human you freek. Oh and learn to throw a spiral. My girlfriend spins it tighter than you.
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one thing from last night I noticed was that he did have a nice spiral on his longer throws. for instance, the first play of the game to demetryus williams was a nice lob spiral to the sideline (DW actually turned his hips the wrong way and made it a tougher catch than it had to be)
now, his passes are lobs and often inaccurate in placement and his shorter ones wobble more than his longer ones (trying to figure out why that would be).
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The answer... Because he's not an NFL quality QB.
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Like I said, deal with it. You might as well because he will be around a while.
And while on topic, you might as well get happy with this type of QB because if you look around the college ranks you find fewer and fewer drop back QBs, and if you check out the HS programs you find even fewer.
Oh.....it's not my problem his lifestyle makes you uncomfortable. He's as real as he shows and if you want to tell people to go out and drink a beer, maybe tell that to your kids as a starting point.
It's going to be fun watching morte and more QBs like him enter the league and watch guys like you blow a gasket.
As for his passing, once he gets comfortable running what they are running and his mates get more comfortable running the system, his passing is fine.
He completed near 70% at Fla, so he will be able to throw well enough in the NFL, especially a NFL where passing the ball is going out of style.
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I don't know. There are not many Tim Tebows in college. Are there any? One of his biggest selling points is that he is big enough/strong to take hits and not get injured (like that hit Harris put on him early in the game as a tone-setter).
Cam looked like he might be, but in the NFL he looks more like a polished version of what Vince Young was supposed to be. He is definitely a pass-first guy who takes the run when he runs out of passing options.
Now, Denver needs to go and find some running QBs if they are going to commit to Tebow though. And they'll have to keep more RBs on the roster. I don't think they want Brady Quinn running the option if Tebow does need to miss a series or a few games.
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That's the problem I have with college ball right now. The spread and the option is killing the NFL game. If I wanted to watch highschool ball I'd go to a highschool game.
So you're okay with the NFL turning back into the game that was being played before Otto Graham started throwing the ball? You really find it exciting to watch? You're actually looking forward to it?
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Hey Denver should have picked up Robiskie. They no longer need receivers. They need edge blockers and Robiskie was good at that.
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not speaking for 'Peen as his vision is likely different from mine.
but, I would love to see a NFL team merge the 2 styles. start in that wing-T shotgun formation the Broncos used last night. Have the QB fake/handoff to one of the wings who slashes off tackle and turn to fake/handoff to the RB who goes Agap all while the opposite wingback is running a wheel route and the 2 WRs are running patterns. Then, the QB (if he still has the ball) can determine whether to throw to one of the WRs or take off running.
Add in 1000x wrinkles and formations and you have an interesting blend of an offense between run and pass. And yes, they would need to blend in the pass at least at a 40% rate to be successful longterm (IMO).
What I think it would do is to isolate the defenders on their assignments (if done well, the defense will not know who has the ball right away) and that means more 1on1 situations in space. Big plays would be more possible that way.
One HUGE factor in the NFL though that is not in college. The OL has to stay within 5yds of the LOS or they will be called for being downfield. So, it limits the success of the running plays because you have to build in that they will not go to the 2nd level to block (minimizing the big plays on that side).
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Somebody should tell that to Green Bay.
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What goes around comes around. I think it is a natural evolution of the game, or more specifically to the QB position.
Another part of that is the QB position has become more athletic in nature and team/coaches have decided to not strap that ability away by having them stand in the pocket.
In time it will balance out. Denver is going to throw more as they get better. Like I said, they really just started playing this o a few weeks ago. Soon enough they will adjust their pass blocking schemes to more rolling pockets and the receiver routes will be adjusted to the hot reads necessary in a spread type O.
If Vince Young had been as compelling a figure as Tebow, we may have seen this several years ago.....or maybe people saw Youngs talents wasted to a large degree....at any rate, I have a feeling we will see more of this. It has to be because there aren't enough good drop back QBs to go around now. When only half the league has a legit dropback QB, the other half can spend decades trying to find one or do something different.
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especially a NFL where passing the ball is going out of style.
Somebody should tell that to Green Bay.
and to be fair the rest of the NFL (higher % of passes and more yards than ever before)
here's an article that states as much
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotr...e-back-struggle
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I may have said that for the rile factor....I know the pass is always going to be....I wasn't any more pressing my point then was Port when he made it sound like it was headed towards leather helmets and single wing O.
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I know. I just wanted to get that portion of this discussion out of the way and done with so we could continue with the more interesting portions 
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I don't understand the Tebow hate... Here's a young man that seemingly does everything right, and people hope he fails, yet these are the same people saying they're sick of all the thugs and punks in the league.
Overt Christianity seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Maybe there's a bit of that going on here.
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If Vince Young had been as compelling a figure as Tebow, we may have seen this several years ago....
That's the thing. I don't find Tebow 'compelling'. I find him overly jammed up our collective colons. If Vince had been placed into the same offense as Tebow I'd be rooting for him to fail too.
On a side note. My girlfriend watches ball with me. She's got a strong grasp of the basics and is learning more every week. Last night with very limited knowlege of Tebow she saw him throw and was amazed at how bad his arm is. She even noticed how long of a wind up he has. She then went on to his demeanor. Her Spidey sense is tingling. She thinks there is something creepy about him. She actually thinks he's closeted. (not that either of us would care if he is gay. Just be honest.) I found her breakdown amusing.
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Whether you think he's a good Quarterback or not, how can you root against Tebow? He might be the best person alive 
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How can anyone with a brain cell claim Denvers offense worked last night? THEY EARNED 3 POINTS UNTIL THE FINAL DRIVE.
I understand Peen pimping Tebow but I am shocked by anyone that agrees that it worked. I understand our offense sucks but come on.
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I don't understand the Tebow hate... Here's a young man that seemingly does everything right, and people hope he fails, yet these are the same people saying they're sick of all the thugs and punks in the league.
Overt Christianity seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Maybe there's a bit of that going on here.
Born again Christian here. Raised Baptist. Still despise the option and all who utilize it. If that happens to be Tebow and he happens to be Christian. So be it. Still want it to fail. Him with it. I hope he goes on to great success in his next career. Just take your gimmicky crap offense with you.
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the Denver offense did not work until the Jets went into a Dime defense against a run-first offense. and stayed in it?
anyways, I am intrigued by the offense because it is different and it is something that I have always tinkered with (and am starting to coach in my son's Flag Football league, but that's another story).
the Denver offense last night had no wrinkles. it was a straight option with no real misdirection or setting up future plays. i was incredibly disappointed as I thought a NFL offense even put together over the past few weeks would have something more.
that said, it does mean that what we saw last night could still be just the beginning. if McCoy is willing to commit to making it successful, he could add a whole lot of wrinkles to it and see if it can work at this level or not.
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Didn't Denver win last night ? 
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Yeah but because of their defense balling out
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Sorry Dawg , but it's just the Hippocrates of it all !
If it where the Browns the vast majority on the board would saying just that ! Hey we won , hey where 5/5 and so on ...
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Sorry Dawg , but it's just the Hippocrates of it all !
If it where the Browns the vast majority on the board would saying just that ! Hey we won , hey where 5/5 and so on ...
Trust me I'd be one of the first to point out how garbage our offense was if we played like Denver did.
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So now Tim Tebow is not only "God's grandson" but also the father of modern medicine?  Good for Tebow to lead a game winning drive against a bad team. Let me know when they beat a team better than the Raiders with Carson Palmer's first start.
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A team that has been in two straight AFC Championships isn't good enough for you?
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Sorry, I thought this game took place in the 2011 season. My bad.
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Sorry Dawg , but it's just the Hippocrates of it all !
If it where the Browns the vast majority on the board would saying just that ! Hey we won , hey where 5/5 and so on ...
wait a second, were you not around here when we went 2-1 this year? or do you think the threads would be much different if we made that FG and were now 4-5?
i think Browns fans are pretty down on the team even when we're winning if we are winning ugly.
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We could be 5-4 if not for the Cincy game...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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If it where the Browns the vast majority on the board would saying just that ! Hey we won , hey where 5/5 and so on ...
wait a second, were you not around here when we went 2-1 this year? or do you think the threads would be much different if we made that FG and were now 4-5?
i think Browns fans are pretty down on the team even when we're winning if we are winning ugly.
There would be people here complaining if we won the superbow.
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If it where the Browns the vast majority on the board would saying just that ! Hey we won , hey where 5/5 and so on ...
wait a second, were you not around here when we went 2-1 this year? or do you think the threads would be much different if we made that FG and were now 4-5?
i think Browns fans are pretty down on the team even when we're winning if we are winning ugly.
There would be people here complaining if we won the superbow.
I'd bet this board would be pretty empty that night, except for a few Bengals fans in the Smack Shack talking about how THEY would of scored more points or something...
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We could be 5-4 if not for the Cincy game...
And we could be 2-7 if the Refs didn't blow the block in the back call in the Seattle game, and we could be 1-8 if the Browns didn't have that last minute comeback drive in the Miami game.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda ...... but what we are is a 3-6 team.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I'd prefer to be 2-7 right now actually... 1-8 and all we need is a lucky break for Indy and who knows what...
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We are a Peyton Manning injury, a miracle drive in the Miami game, and a phantom block in the back away from being 0-9.
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It's somewhat ridiculous how bad we've actually been...
There were guys like Simmons saying we'd go 10-6 and sneak in based on our weak schedule. Another writer said we could start 7-0...
And that's why they play the games.
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Just take your gimmicky crap offense with you.
If it works and the team wins, what's the problem?
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If it works and the team wins, what's the problem?
If Sanchez didn't gift wrap that pick six we'd all be talking about Tebow's 9 of 20 104 yard joke of a QB stat line. The Broncos won that game inspite of Tebow. How can such an awful QB performance be lauded as anything but? I don't get it. Any other QB in the league puts up these kinds of numbers and we'd all be piling on him regardless of wins or losses. I don't get how Tebow gets away with it with all you guys. Put away your "He's such a good guy" rhetoric and look at what you see with your eyes. He's an inaccurate, glorified fullback, running a college style O in the NFL. Sorry I don't get the hype. I'm tired of the hype. I'm sooooo glad he doesn't play for the Browns. I hope to never see the option come to the North Coast unless its on the highschool level where it should be utilized. Get it out of the pros. Keep it out of the pros.
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No one is saying he's a good Quarterback, or that this offense can be successful long term, but let me ask you this....
What is wrong with rooting for a guy that does EVERYTHING right off the field? A guy that by all accounts is a truly good person?
What is wrong with rooting for a guy like that to succeed?
Do I think he's an NFL QB?
Nope.
Do I hope he proves me and everyone else wrong?
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