DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Can the Broncos offense be successful running the option?

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The problem is that you need multiple QBs versed in the option if you are going to run it full time.

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I can see most people's issue with Tebow.

It's actually not Tebow, it's how the media shoves him down your throat.

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Forget debating if he's a good QB or not. Forget debating if you agree with his religion. Forget debating if you think it's right for him to openly show his faith, etc. Tebow is a great person, regardless of his skills on the field. Regardless of his religious views. He's a great person. I choose to root for good people to succeed.

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jc

Tebow has won against mediocre teams. I'll be impressed when he beats the Packers.

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Yeah, he ain't crap until he beats a team no one else can beat.

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jc

Tebow has won against mediocre teams. I'll be impressed when he beats the Packers.

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Yeah, he ain't crap until he beats a team no one else can beat.

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As for the number of qbs who run it, actually, that is a excellent point. It's far easier for teams to find decent qbs who can run it then it is to find a decent back-up in a drop back attack.

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There are a large number of players that celebrate their Christianity openly. I think it's just an issue with those that don't like him.

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No, it's bigger than that.

The more a player is exposed through the media, the more their statements, opinions, and beliefs are felt by the consumer. As a result, when someone like Tebow gets as much exposure as he's getting right now, his outward show of faith hits people much stronger than from a punter.

Taking this a step further, people in this country feel resentment from those who try and push their faith onto them. So when people are constantly faced with Tebowism and his continued statements about his faith, it's perfectly natural that some percentage of people won't care for it.

To exemplify what I'm talking about, what if he were Muslim?

Yeah, that should have stopped people for a split-second, and everything which goes into that microsecond of instinctual reaction is exactly why it's to be expected that some people won't go out for how aggressively he pimps his faith.

In a predominantly Christian country, his outward show of faith is more easily accepted. If he were a Witch Doctor, the outcry would be much greater. If he were Muslim, the outcry would be much greater. If he were Hindu, the outcry would be greater. Just because we're a Christian-dominant country doesn't mean people are wrong if they don't care for his message.

There's a story I recall from 2010 when Tebow took the Wonderlic test at the combine. Before taking the test, he asked that everyone bow their heads and pray. One player told him to "Shut the **** up."

Case in point.

When someone decides to outwardly and aggressively promote a belief, whether it's religion or a love of pickled carrots, there's going to be some push-back by those who don't like such things. Because of this, I can't be critical of people who aren't on-board with Tebow's aggressive religious stances.

From my own personal perspective, I have great admiration for him. He's a great person who has a very good set core of beliefs. However, I don't care for people who push religion in my face. If I were taking that Wonderlic test and had been asked to pray, I wouldn't have told him to shut the F up. I simply wouldn't have done it. I don't believe that any higher deity answers prayers or intervenes with our daily lives, so to pray would have felt very hypocritical. I also wouldn't have done it just to placate his beliefs.

An example of that happened earlier this year at my hotel. Our POS Director of Sales gave my ballroom to one of his old Banquet Captains for a birthday celebration. He's Muslim. I'd met the guy and had no problem with his birthday group. However, at one point during the function, I was at the front desk sorting out a problem with a guest when I saw 8 men make their way to a back corner of my restaurant, drop down mats, face East, and start to pray. As I approached the group, one guy had obviously been prepared for someone to question what they were doing, and had a rehearsed statement ready for me. He indicated that the USA is a country that guarantees religious freedom to all of it's people, so there shouldn't be a problem with this very public display. My response was that while inside the ballroom, out of the public eye, they could do whatever they wished and I would in-fact protect their freedom to do so had anyone protested. However, out in public, they were not going to be allowed to continue. He replied that they wouldn't be much longer, to which I replied "No, you're done now. I'm not offended by your beliefs, but this hotel is neutral, and NO religious expressions by a group are going to be made in public where others will be affected by them." I was then thanked by a frequent guest who stated she felt uncomfortable by their public religious beliefs.

So the problems with some aren't that they "hate Tebow." The problem is that any person who outwardly tries to pedal their beliefs onto others will eventually get some resistance. Tebow must shoulder this if he's going to continue to do as he does.

As for Tebow the football player, well, that's a different debate.

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As for the number of qbs who run it, actually, that is a excellent point. It's far easier for teams to find decent qbs who can run it then it is to find a decent back-up in a drop back attack.

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You are thinking in terms of today.

If you run this type of system, you starting looking for a back-up who can run it...you'd have all sorts of guys to select.

How many back-ups in the NFL today could provide 'decent' service in a drop back system vs. those who could be 'decent' in an option offense?

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Actually, with what you did to the muslims - consider yourself lucky you didn't get fired. See, in the U.S. we DO have freedom of religion. (religions other than Christianity seem to get more freedom, but that's a different discussion)

I'm actually surprised they didn't file a lawsuit against you, if what you said is 100% exactly as it happened.

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Man, I'm cultured. You just made the mistake of thinking I was smart.

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I won't make that mistake again.

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Peen thinks its the future.

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The games against The Bears, The Bills, and The Patriots will work the best as a litmus test for Tebow.

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I think people are just wondering whether or not it is sustainable.

People aren't dumb. It's a nice story. They are on a streak. But it still seems way too gimmicky. Most of the time those things don't work long term.

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Another win today for the Broncos.

How many wins is it going to take to at least get people to say it can work??

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Another win today for the Broncos.

How many wins is it going to take to at least get people to say it can work??

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A playoff win would be a start.

Winning low scoring squeakers against poorly performing offenses doesn't tell me much.

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Plus, what exactly is a gimmick?? You define it.

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....I'd say when 9 of 18 for 143 yards constitutes a good passing day, and the QB rushes 22 times for 67 yards.

'Peen, you're a good egg, and I don't want this coming off as me rubbing your face in anything because that's not the case. I also want to be VERY clear when I say this isn't about Tebow, which is what the topic was in the "other games" thread. So having made that distinction, until the Donks do it against some real teams and do it without doing it very ugly, nobody is going to buy into this because it flies in the face of everything that the NFL is: A passing league.

This really is the same thing as we used to debate about when Couch was back there making dumb plays: He only got comeback wins because he put the team into those positions to begin with. Well, the option has only won games in the last few minutes because the offense has been so bad they haven't been able to put people away.

Remember, the topic of this thread isn't "Can with Donks win with Tebow at QB?" nor is it "Can the Donks win while running the spread option?"

The thread is "Can the offense be successful running the option?"

In one game? Sure. In several games against bad teams? Perhaps. The team has won several of these games in spite of the offense, not because of it. So until this offense proves it can sustain success long-term, and because there is no historical data in the modern era of football to back it up, you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that it can. This isn't much different than all the wildcat stuff that went on for a couple of years. That had some limited success, but long-term sustained success? Nope, it failed, and now it's gone.

So where does that leave the spread option? With more questions than answers.

It's a great story right now, but it's been a perfect storm for the Donks to reach this point. If they are going to win with it, they are going to have to get MUCH better at it, because it's exceedingly dicey at best right now. There are just too many unanswered questions, such as how can an NFL QB continue to take this kind of punishment and do it for 16 games? How are they going to react when defenses catch up to it? How will they acquire free agent receivers when they won't be the focus? How will they draft players for the system? How can the team come back when they are down quite a bit without an advanced passing scheme?

Until I see several examples of this offense beating good teams on a consistent basis, I'm a severe doubter. Not a slight one, a strong one. I simply don't believe that in a passing league, you can have a spread option offense. The tough part is that those who support it have to face an uphill stance of "prove it" before you'll get people to believe. Sorry man, but that's the way of things.

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Be real Phil. You can't keep showing up here week after week saying it won't work, yet week after week it does.

There is no shame in being wrong, which the records shows you are. The shame is in sticking with a opinion proven wrong.

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