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With our luck as Browns fans, they'll promote Crennell and he'll lead them to the Super Bowl in 2 or 3 years.
The only way Romeo can ever lead a team to the superbowl is if he was hired as the teams bus driver during super bowl week.
I bet if you told him there was a buffet at the super bowl, he'd get them there.
and when the SuperBowl is in SD, I'll bet it's an all-u-can-eat In-n-Out buffet
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I would love to have Mike Sherman join the Browns. One of my favorite coaches. I would say this one is very plausible and besides, Shurmur and Sherman run the same offense.
If we sign Sherman for OC, we already know which QB we will draft come April....
but don't see it since Sherman won't be with a HC calling plays and I'm not sure Shurmur wants to lose the play calling duties....of course he could be "forced" to give it up (threatening with a Reid hire) but even if he'd agree it would be the start of the end....I'd feel bad for Shurmur but HC Reid, OC Sherman and DC Jauron looks pretty professional
Why would a superior HC Sherman want to work under Shurmer. and why would Shurmer want to look bad when the obvious change in play calling would be vastly superior. better to have a staff that chooses not to blitz the wounded Rothlisberger and have a horrid special teams coach. bad assistant disguise how bad the HC is..well not really. yet Shurman is a very solid coach and Shurmer is solid waste.
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Why would a superior HC Sherman want to work under Shurmer. and why would Shurmer want to look bad when the obvious change in play calling would be vastly superior. better to have a staff that chooses not to blitz the wounded Rothlisberger and have a horrid special teams coach. bad assistant disguise how bad the HC is..well not really. yet Shurman is a very solid coach and Shurmer is solid waste.
Yes, because by surrounding yourself with poor coaches, your team will continue to suck, and you will be fired. I'm sure that's all part of Shurmur's secret plan - to get fired for losing! You've cracked the case, Sherlock!
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Why would a superior HC Sherman want to work under Shurmer. and why would Shurmer want to look bad when the obvious change in play calling would be vastly superior. better to have a staff that chooses not to blitz the wounded Rothlisberger and have a horrid special teams coach. bad assistant disguise how bad the HC is..well not really. yet Shurman is a very solid coach and Shurmer is solid waste.
Yes, because by surrounding yourself with poor coaches, your team will continue to suck, and you will be fired. I'm sure that's all part of Shurmur's secret plan - to get fired for losing! You've cracked the case, Sherlock!
Yeah our staff is so much improved this year.
name ONE area where we are performing better? I hear crickets baby.
Tell me as you say Sherlock, name One area where the team has improved by superior coaching?
DC Ryan performed much better with much less talent as we were competitive almost every week and only Ryans wild schemes saved us in many contests.'
we have taken a Big step back offense, defense, special teams. we have been thumped often where as last year we battled the best.
You may have cracked the case: we were not TRYING to get worse yet hiring a first time HC, a vanilla DC, a shleb special teams coach we managed to make a hash job of the team again.
I predicted 4-12 in August when our front office decided not to improve the team via free agency. Sub standard talent+ Lousy Coaching equals what? need a hint?
Good luck attract new free agents when we diddle hillis, Cribbs, McCoy next year as well. Hope I am wrong but color them guys as GONE.
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call it the Dan Quail phenomena, crappy special teams coach and mediocre DC still did not make Shurmy look better. guess it did not work. Bush one liked it.
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Check our defence ranking Joe. Where were we last year? Like 29th? This year, top ten..... About 7 spots better than Dallas and less PPG allowed.
Although I really like Ryan's fire, he was all show and no go. The defence never actually excelled. Unfortunately, all he showed here and now in Dallas that he can generate hype but not back it up.
Jauron may be a bit more dull but our defence is the best its looked in years- even without a ton of top end talent.
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I think Cower ends up in Miami next year....along with Peyton Manning.
Indy is going to have to cut him.
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One thought I had is that wherever Peyton ends up, I would not be surprised to see Reggie Wayne end up with him as a package deal. He's a FA and had a down year (while Garcon has been their WR1).
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One thought I had is that wherever Peyton ends up, I would not be surprised to see Reggie Wayne end up with him as a package deal. He's a FA and had a down year (while Garcon has been their WR1).
It could be, but i think Wayne is about done.
QB's can play until they are 40-41. Receivers??? Not so much.
I don't know how old Wayne is, but he isn't young in the terms of NFL wideout.
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he could be. he is 33yo.
but, he's also 1 year removed from a 111rec season and already knows all of Peyton's audible calls and system. and, it's not like whatever team acquiring Peyton is expecting more than a 2-4 year window of contention with him (due to his injuries)
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You appear to be spot on!
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Check our defence ranking Joe. Where were we last year? Like 29th? This year, top ten..... About 7 spots better than Dallas and less PPG allowed.
Although I really like Ryan's fire, he was all show and no go. The defence never actually excelled. Unfortunately, all he showed here and now in Dallas that he can generate hype but not back it up.
Jauron may be a bit more dull but our defence is the best its looked in years- even without a ton of top end talent.
Anybody and everybody can run on us. when they have to they can pass at will. We played a far more difficult schedule last year and had LESS talent yet Ryan had the defense tackling better and with schemes alone confused some Top QBs. WE stink. wait 3 more games where we get thumped we will be last.
we tackle, block, cover worse than last year on a much easier schedule. we had all three QBs injured several times last year and still played far more superior football.
Brown bag time again.
And Shurmer and staff are safe. check your stats, and watch the games. we get thumped by any team above mediocre this year. we took a Big step back.
vanilla Defense who CHOOSES not to blitz the whale Rothlisberger in the second half. Bravo. we are worse across the board.
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j/c Changes coming for Chargers brassWritten by Kevin Acee 7:54 p.m., Dec. 26, 2011 It will be a dizzying week atop the Chargers power structure, and the possibilities only keep getting more intriguing. The first order of business for team president Dean Spanos is whether to retain General Manager A.J. Smith. Spanos is expected to reveal his decision on whether to keep Smith by the middle of next week. It is believed, based on numerous conversations with league sources over the past month, that head coach Norv Turner will be fired regardless of who is the general manager. Further, should Smith be fired in San Diego, he is expected to have opportunity elsewhere. People familiar with Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s plans said Monday that Kroenke is waiting for Spanos to make a move on Smith. If Smith is available, league and agent sources strongly indicated that Smith will be hired as Rams’ general manager and bring along Jon Gruden as head coach.
Sources said Gruden has decided to return to coaching in 2012 and that his current employer, ESPN, is already preparing for his departure.Spokesmen for ESPN and the Rams declined comment on Monday night. Smith also declined comment when asked both about his future employment or his association with Gruden. Sources who spoke Monday did so on the condition they not be identified. Those sources in a position to know Smith’s possible plans would not or could not say what he would do for a head coach if still in San Diego. League sources have said for weeks that Kroenke plans to clean house after the season, firing both head coach Steve Spagnuolo and General Manager Billy Devaney. League sources also said this week that it is all but certain that Spagnuolo will join Andy Reid’s staff in Philadelphia as the Eagles’ defensive coordinator. Devaney, who was the Chargers Director of Player Personnel from 1990-2000, will not be a candidate in San Diego. It is well-known in league circles that the relationship between Smith and Gruden is a solid one. The friendship began in the late 1990s when Gruden was head coach of the Oakland Raiders and was introduced to Smith by Smith’s closest friend, Bruce Allen, then the Raiders’ senior executive. League and agent sources said recently that Smith has expressed his ongoing faith in Turner. However, Smith has also repeatedly said that five years is a “good test” for finding out the direction a head coach can take a team. Turner is 48-31 in five seasons as head coach, but after back-to-back seasons have resulted in the Chargers missing the playoffs, it is possible Smith could decide he has to move in another direction. Moreover, he could be led in that direction by Spanos. Even more certain than Turner’s fate is that of defensive coordinator Greg Manusky. Sources have long indicated the team views his hiring as a “mistake,” and the lack of answers in Detroit on Saturday sealed Manusky’s fate. Turner, for his part, is aware of the likelihood of his being let go. Yet he vowed Monday to go about business as usual even as the Chargers’ season finale at Oakland has no real ramifications. “I think that’s a good way of putting it,” Turner said when asked about approaching this week as he normally would. “I think that’s what we’ve tried to do as a coaching staff. I’ve got great respect for the coaches on our staff and the way they’ve worked at what they do and the way they’ve worked to prepare this team to go play. Obviously, there’s speculation, uncertainty. But the only thing we can control is obviously getting these guys ready to play, and we’re going to do that this week. “Obviously, we’re going to finish the season on Sunday and, you know, like all of you, we’ll see what happens.”
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This seems like a good opportunity for Jeff fisher ... Seeing that he grew up in Southern Cal...And I believe he was A chargers fan...
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I'm now picturing Cowher, Fisher and Gruden jumping back into the game the same year Shurmur enters his 2nd year after a horrible rookie experience in Cleveland.
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Maybe so, but we also got a lot younger and installed a new defense too and that has to be brought into this comparison.
We needed to get younger even if we would have stayed with the same staff.
We lost a lot of experience, but the dividends of youth (and talent) can not be calculated by comparing the two squads at this point.
We simply need to add a starter or 2 or 3 (one on every level) and add some depth ... especially at DT.
Rubin has to play far too many snaps and when he gets tiered he plays too high (as will anyone) and he gets blown off the LOS.
Paxson has filled in well for Taylor who is still not a polished or finished product, but he is undersized and is a guy who is playing above what his physical talents say he should be (he gets an at'a boy), but that won't get'er done.
I think that we will look for a veteran FA to add to the mix at DT.
I think we lost some pass rushing ability when we lost Benard, but I don't think he would have been the answer to our problems at RDE and stopping the run.
I don't think that was ever his strong suit.
We need to add another starting LBer.
A true WIL or a thumper of a MLBer if DQ moves outside (unlikely).
I would also like to add another CB opposite Haden, but then we haven't even started talking about fixing the offense yet or an up grade at FS.
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we took a Big step back.
Maybe so, but we also got a lot younger and installed a new defense too and that has to be brought into this comparison.
We needed to get younger even if we would have stayed with the same staff.
We lost a lot of experience, but the dividends of youth (and talent) can not be calculated by comparing the two squads at this point.
We simply need to add a starter or 2 or 3 (one on every level) and add some depth ... especially at DT.
Rubin has to play far too many snaps and when he gets tiered he plays too high (as will anyone) and he gets blown off the LOS.
Paxson has filled in well for Taylor who is still not a polished or finished product, but he is undersized and is a guy who is playing above what his physical talents say he should be (he gets an at'a boy), but that won't get'er done.
I think that we will look for a veteran FA to add to the mix at DT.
I think we lost some pass rushing ability when we lost Benard, but I don't think he would have been the answer to our problems at RDE and stopping the run.
I don't think that was ever his strong suit.
We need to add another starting LBer.
A true WIL or a thumper of a MLBer if DQ moves outside (unlikely).
I would also like to add another CB opposite Haden, but then we haven't even started talking about fixing the offense yet or an up grade at FS.
Florida, we have been a sloppy sloppy team all season. we cover sloppier, tackle sloppier, block sloppier, catch sloppier. we have sloppy play calling and execution.
clock management is sloppy. and each week a new Bone head play and the ravens game is just another skull crushing stupid moment.
we got a crappy coaching staff. we took a step back as last years staff would have had a much better record.
scapegoating, alibis, it never ends. Shurmurs ACTS like he is responsible all the while throwing Wallace under the bus.
What I want yet I doubt happens. call this my Wish list.
1) while we are stuck with Shurmur if he does not improve next year Mikey joins him on the unemployment line so we better get a top OC.
2) free agents I want. Not a long list. Lb Bulloch. a tough physical thumper helps DQ to give us two outstanding Lbers. toss in the improved Gocong( I can't believe I said it and maivaa looks better. Bulloch needs to be targeted.
Leonard, safety Jets: this smart savvy safety can help make TJ Ward better by making sure Ward covers the right guy. Its fortifies Wards impact as well.
Cortland Finnergan: CB Tenn a very tough physical corner sticks like glue to wrs and helps vs run support very well.
I would not mind if we sign back last years DE as well. he covers the edge vs the run very well.
In the draft we take a top DE/Olb and then the defense looks a LOT tougher.
I really don't want to break the bank for a QB. keep Colt and draft another guy to look at. Get a top Rt. yet this Pashos problem is bad COACHING> I have been up Pashos ass all year yet when he has a TE on his right shoulder to Chip the rusher in to him he locks on well, yet our dummies coaching seem to miss the obvious point as blitzes swallow our Qbs, and whom better and easier than the slow pashos..
Lavao and pinkston...are they getting better?
Can Steinbach return to form? is Pinkston a viable option as a RT? yet the line is less of a problem when a TE is left to help and a FB is kept in to block on obvious passing downs. we need help. I say a top RT and keep pashos as a sub. with a pay cut.
RB Please keep Hillis. he pounds away at defenses and he is One player defenders worry about. hardesty I doubt even makes the tea, he can't cut and seems to also have no power. Obie 1 is average yet he can hit the edges. a possible pickup could be Ivory from the saints. I don't even know if he is a free agent yet he has some dash and is strong as well an AFCN runner.
There are two free agent wrs I really like: Loyd from the Rams and harry Douglas from the falcons. this kid really is ready to break out.
we need a new special teams coach as well. the punter from georgia is special as well. and resign dawson and keep cribbs.
I ned to suck it up. I hate the Shurmur hire. he is the worst coach i have ever witnessed on a browns sidelines yet I have a feeling Big Mike is in that same body bag after next year,
If we do not get a top OC to call plays.
If we create three new holes and dump McCoy, Cribbs and Hillis...
If we leave haden hanging with the rest of the bums we have in the secondary
should we not resign DQ or attempt to get another top lb..
Shoul we not sign another De who can put some heat...
Should we stand pat at WR...
Or waste all our picks and a new QB to ruin..
Should we letHillis walk and go with the crap we have
or not sign a veteran wr
we will be 4-12, 3-13 again and Both Holmgren and shurmy are gone
and we are starting Over.
I tried to take it positive as to what I believe needs to be done.
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hardesty I doubt even makes the tea, he can't cut and seems to also have no power. Obie 1 is average yet he can hit the edges.
I agree with your assessment of Hardesty, but I still think he makes the team on benefit of the doubt from the knee surgery (althought the other endless injuries might do him in). I would cut him, as I think we've seen more from Obie (who as you said is average, but he's played well when given the chance.)
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Right now, Shurmur's in-game coaching hasn't looked good, but I will admit he has this team playing hard. Hopefully the right OC (Sherman or Norv Turner - in my dreams) will make a big difference next year. As for him being the worst, I remember all too well, Jim Shoffner and Terry Robiskie as head coaches (albeit interim) and think they were still worse than Shurmur. Chris Palmer was in way over his head as well. I think Holmgren will keep Shurmur unless he feels the heat on his own seat and feels he needs to make a splash with a Fisher or somewhat of that nature. I think the chances of that are slim and none.
I think Holmgren has hired his last coach in Cleveland that isn't named Holmgren.
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