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or Davis? if so not 6 ill bet.
Butch Davis had a panic attack and quit. Who gives a rat's you know what how long he was here - he quit when he knew he was out of his league.
NRTU directly here, but Christ people... dude was a long snapper that wasn't getting the job done. I wish I owned stock in Puffs because tissue sales in NE Ohio and beyond must be through the roof today.
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The core of the roster was the long snapper? Give me a freaking break! I liked him as much as the next guy, but if he's the core of the roster, then there are bigger issues afloat.
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Pontbriand’s rolling snap this past Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals robbed Dawson of a legitimate chance to make a 55-yard field goal late in the fourth quarter, and the Browns fell 23-20.
Hey...Philly has been a beast this year, but I would have easily bet a C-note that he would not have made that kick into the wind if it was on a tee. So "legitimate" chance? Not so sure about that....was it a chance..yes. I was actually thinking they may have thought about having Phil pooch punt on that play. Nobody was back for Cinci. The field position was pretty valuable at that point for a very low percentage play ESPECIALLY when you add in your snapper has become a liability. Just my $0.02. IF It was with the wind, yes...in that situation, I say pooch punt.
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Not sure why everybody is talking about "two bad snaps".
I've been a huge Ponti supporter for years - but he had at least 5 bad snaps in the Cincy game last week. Only one turned into a disaster, because the rest were handled well by Maynard.
A long snapper that can't long-snap isn't really much use on a team. There are many "good" long snappers out there, so if that's all Ponti has become, might as well give the job to somebody who can contribute in another way.
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you can hand me the puffs, because I know nobody on the Browns roster worked harder, cared more about the team, his team mates, or the fans than Ryan. He was loyal to the Browns and was proud to be a Cleveland Brown. you can only say that about a handfull of guys on the roster. We not only lost a guy who was a great long snapper, but a all around good person as well.
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Not sure why everybody is talking about "two bad snaps".
I've been a huge Ponti supporter for years - but he had at least 5 bad snaps in the Cincy game last week. Only one turned into a disaster, because the rest were handled well by Maynard.
A long snapper that can't long-snap isn't really much use on a team. There are many "good" long snappers out there, so if that's all Ponti has become, might as well give the job to somebody who can contribute in another way.
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It seems like there are two kinds of posters in this thread:
1. He was a long snapper, sure he was here for a long time...but he was a long snapper. Dude wasn't getting the job done so it's no big shock he was let go. He'll have time to latch on somewhere if he's lucky. I hope he does well.
2. This is typical Browns FO junk. We just cut the heart and soul of this team. We stink, we'll always stink and this is why. Oh Ponti, you were my favorite player and I will defend your release because you were more than just a long snapper to me that wasn't doing his job....you were family. And the Browns FO proved why they're morons once again.
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The core of the roster was the long snapper? Give me a freaking break! I liked him as much as the next guy, but if he's the core of the roster, then there are bigger issues afloat.
He absolutely was a core player.
To me, to be a core player you have to meet two criteria. The first is be with the team >4 years. Rookies and flash-in-the-pans are not "core" players no matter how good they are. You have to have proved your play over multiple years and acquire name recognition with the fans to the point even other teams fans associate those players with your team. The second is play at a pro-bowl level.
We had exactly 6 players who meet the >4 years criteria:
Phil Dawson
Ryan Pontbriand
Josh Cribbs
D'Qwell Jackson
Joe Thomas
Mike Adams
Of those 6, Adams, DQ and Phil have never been pro-bowlers (at least DQ has been a consistent starter and Phil is always top half of the league and Mr. Consistent). That leaves ONLY Cribbs, JT and Ponti truly meeting both criteria. So, to me our "core" was Dawson, Ponti, Cribbs, DQ and JT.
Is it sad that 3/5 of our "core" was our kicker, long-snapper and kick-returner? Obviously. But it doesn't make it any less true and goes to show that special teams have been our ONLY consistent bright spot the last 5 years up until this season.
Bigger issues are afloat indeed. Mainly the coach and front office.
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We should talk with Minnesota about picking up Jared Allen. He's a pretty good long snapper 
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I have a question that hasn't been raised...
What if this new guy is better than Pontbriand? We don't even know how good he is. What we do know is he snapped for four years at UCLA (for one of the best kickers in college, Kai Forbath) and got cut by the Buccaneers because their Pro Bowl long snapper was no longer hurt.
Is it possible Yount > Pontbriand? I say yes.
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I swear, if the Browns lowered their beer price and figured out a way to bring Paul Brown back to life to coach the team to a Super Bowl some people would still complain.
Heck yes ! the beer should be free
Having heard a few sea stories from an old-timer who played for him, I'm not sure I'd want to be anywhere near a Zombie Paul Brown.
It's a shame Pontbriand's career is over in Cleveland. He had a very good run for us. Oh well, it happens to all of them some time.
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I have a question that hasn't been raised...
What if this new guy is better than Pontbriand? We don't even know how good he is. What we do know is he snapped for four years at UCLA (for one of the best kickers in college, Kai Forbath) and got cut by the Buccaneers because their Pro Bowl long snapper was no longer hurt.
Is it possible Yount > Pontbriand? I say yes.
I watched a couple of his vids on you t7be and he looks impressive. It is hard to tell from edited videos though. I guess well find out Sunday.
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Can he teach Mack how to LS?
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Can he teach Mack how to LS?
...At least his leg wouldn't be in the fricken way then...
 good one! Plus we'd free up a roster spot!
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I have a question that hasn't been raised...
What if this new guy is better than Pontbriand? We don't even know how good he is. What we do know is he snapped for four years at UCLA (for one of the best kickers in college, Kai Forbath) and got cut by the Buccaneers because their Pro Bowl long snapper was no longer hurt.
Is it possible Yount > Pontbriand? I say yes.
It's possible, sure. That said, his rapport with the kicker, punter and holder is every bit as important. Is three days enough time for him to get perfectly in sync with Maynard and Dawson?
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I watched a couple of his vids on you t7be and he looks impressive. It is hard to tell from edited videos though. I guess well find out Sunday.
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Can he teach Mack how to LS?
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Didn't Pontbriand double clutch the snap on that one?.
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Long snappers, kickers, and punters all have plenty of time to get to know each other as they have nothing else to do besides long snap, kick, and punt.
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I miss him immensely. St has gone from a strength to a liability, as just how many GFs will this game take to win. They have had a part in too many losses, just some basic stuff. Frustrating!  
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Long snapper Pontbriand no scapegoat BEREA, Ohio — Only the Cleveland Browns can make a folk hero out of their long snapper. And the Browns did it by releasing him. Back in 2003, Ryan Pontbriand cackled long and loud the day he was drafted by the Browns in the fifth round. He sounded as shocked to be taken by Butch Davis as fans were to hear of his selection. Long snappers are found, not drafted, but Davis and then-snapper Ryan Kuehl — then the best in the league — didn’t see eye to eye so Davis let Kuehl go and drafted Pontbriand. Pontbriand eventually became the best, and justified the draft choice by being as dependable as any player on the team — to the point that he went to two Pro Bowls. Until this season. For whatever reason, Pontbriand lost it, and when he dribbled a snap in Sunday’s loss to Cincinnati on what could have been a go-ahead 55-yard field goal, the Browns had enough. Two weeks earlier against St. Louis, Pontbriand’s bad snap had hit Alex Mack’s foot, and it resulted in another potential go-ahead field goal late in a game gone awry. The entire picture was too much for the Browns. Tuesday they released Pontbriand, a move that unleashed a torrent of emotion on the talk-show circuit as callers and hosts wondered if Pontbriand had been made a scapegoat. Many wondered how a couple mistakes could cost a player his job and wipe out a successful career, especially when so many Browns have made mistakes all season long *—* including wide receiver Greg Little, who dropped five passes in Cincinnati. Coach Pat Shurmur said Pontbriand was not scapegoated. “He’s not the reason we won or lost games,” Shurmur said Wednesday. Shurmur did not pour dirt on Pontbriand’s grave, instead merely saying the team had tried a number of things to get Pontbriand out of his self-described slump. “We just felt it was time to make a switch,” Shurmur said. Shurmur also said there was no greater message involved. “I don’t want to send messages to players thru media or basically thru actions just to send a message,” he said. We’re trying to win football games the best we can.” Place-kicker Phil Dawson said he had no sense of Pontbriand being scapegoated, either. “It’s tough,” Dawson said. “I’ve been with Pont longer than anybody and no one has contributed on the field more to my career than him. It was a little strange to be out there without him, but it’s how this business goes.” Rarely are snappers noticed — unless they fail. Pontbriand had struggled all season. In Cincinnati, a couple snaps were high and wide. In other games, he had not snapped well. Holder Brad Maynard saved several kicks with a deft touch in catching and placing the ball. Plus, Pontbriand plays a position where coaches have little or no patience. Dawson often says the last kick is the one that matters. The same is true of punters and snappers. Those three positions are on the field 10 times per game, and if they make a mistake they are in trouble. If they repeat a mistake, they are released. “(Pontbriand) was aware of the issues and doing everything he needed to do to fix it, from going out and snapping hundreds of balls to snapping at home to watching film,” Dawson said. “He responded the way you hope any pro would, and for whatever reason it didn’t work this time.” The reason those three positions are given little leeway? The infrequency of their appearances magnifies any mistake and their positions are seen as replaceable. Teams always believe they can find a punter or snapper because their jobs are the same regardless of the team. Replacing a receiver and asking him to learn an offense is a lot more complex. Losing the chance for two wins because of snaps is big to any team. For a good team, it could be the difference between making and not making the playoffs. For a struggling team like the Browns, it makes the losses that much tougher. Pontbriand gave the Browns nearly nine excellent years. He was as dependable as any player on the team. Had all the Browns done their jobs as well as Pontbriand, they would have posted some winning seasons. But his release from a bad team comes down to realities. When a team is held together by baling wire and string, things fall apart pretty quick if one of the strings break. http://www.foxsportsohio.com/11/30/1...76&feedID=3725 web page
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I watched a couple of his vids on you t7be and he looks impressive. It is hard to tell from edited videos though. I guess well find out Sunday.
There are YT videos of longsnappers?
Yes, but don't just google "snappers" or you get a whole different set of videos.
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It's a long snapper. Might be the easiest roster spot to fill.
With all the non contact rules surrounding the position, you can get a guy off the couch.
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One thing is for sure. Ponti might be the most talked about long snapper in the history of the Browns.
Even as I age, I am pretty good with my recall, and I don't know any of our other long snappers.
Who was Cockrofts long snapper?
Who snapped to Gary Collins?? Freddy Hoagland maybe???
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Yount catches up quickly By Matt Florjancic, ClevelandBrowns.com Staff Writer Posted 2 hours ago New Browns long-snapper Christian Yount spent Wednesday developing a rhythm and rapport with punter-holder Brad Maynard and kicker Phil Dawson. Every punt, field goal attempt and extra point try begins with the long-snapper and for nearly nine years, the Browns had a Pro Bowl-caliber one in Ryan Pontbriand. However, after waiving Pontbriand and signing rookie Christian Yount on Tuesday, the Browns spent Wednesday’s practice getting their new long-snapper acclimated to kicker Phil Dawson and punter Brad Maynard, all while dealing with the first significant snow fall of the season. “We talked a lot today about what his rhythm is and what he does pre-snap because that’s part of the timing,” Yount said of Dawson. “It’s great to have him and Maynard here. They’re both great vets who are staples of this sport. It’s great to have them around and kind of learn from them, learn their routine, so I’m really fortunate to have those two guys here and helping me out.” Although Dawson lost his most tenured teammate Tuesday, he was happy with the work the specialists got in during practice Wednesday. “Christian did a great job today,” Dawson said. “That’s a tough spot to step into. I’m sure he’s fully aware of whose spot he’s filling and he stepped right in there today and did a really nice job.” Yount started his NFL career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers while their regular long-snapper, Andrew Economos, recovered from an injury. After playing in seven games with the Buccaneers, Yount was waived following the team’s 24-18 loss to the Chicago Bears at Raymond James Stadium. With Yount as the long-snapper, Tampa Bay did not have a punt blocked. Kicker Connor Barth converted 14 of 15 field goals and all 12 point-after touchdown attempts. Yount, however, got his start as a long-snapper well before he made it to Tampa Bay. “I got started going into freshman high school ball,” Yount said. “I wasn’t a center. My dad suggested it to me to get more playing time. I was a defensive lineman and he had a buddy that was a long-snapper in college and said, ‘Hey, why don’t you try long-snapping?’ I did it, kept doing it, kept working at it, kept getting better at it and it got me into college (at UCLA). It got me a scholarship and got me here.” Playing for Tampa Bay, Yount was used to dealing with the intense Florida heat. Now with the Browns, he will have to deal with the opposite, bitter cold. Of the Browns’ final five games of the year, four will be in cold-weather cities. The Browns have two home games, Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens and January 1st against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Browns play in Pittsburgh Dec. 8th and at Baltimore on Dec. 24th. Early forecasts for Sunday’s game are calling for temperatures between 38 and 47 degrees with a 50 percent chance of showers. “I’ve snapped in pretty cold weather,” Yount said. “At UCLA, we played up at Washington State and Oregon and we played the Eagle Bank Bowl, which is out in Washington D.C. in January. The field was frozen and it was -2 degrees or something. I’ve snapped in cold. It’s the same thing. As long as I keep my hands warm, I’ll be fine.” web page
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One thing is for sure. Ponti might be the most talked about long snapper in the history of the Browns.
Even as I age, I am pretty good with my recall, and I don't know any of our other long snappers.
Who was Cockrofts long snapper?
Who snapped to Gary Collins?? Freddy Hoagland maybe???
LOL, I know what you mean. Though the Plain Dealer brought up a name from the past, Brian Kinchen. Remember that guy?
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Though the Plain Dealer brought up a name from the past, Brian Kinchen. Remember that guy?
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A question for the X and O folks. Is there a reason why long snapper is a position on it's own? Meaning, are long snappers usually smaller than average O lineman? As someone alluded to in an earlier post, why wouldn't a team look for long snappers that also functioned as back up O lineman at least? And why not take a back up O lineman and teach him to be the long snapper and save the roster spot?
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The NFL is long removed from the days of Lou Groza. Punters, kickers and long snappers are specialists. You can't screw the pooch on 5% of your ST plays with a dual role guy anymore.
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Wow, that seems sudden...
Sure he's been off a little this year, but must be more to it than we know, can't imagine a few bad snaps and they give up on him, how do we explain half the roster if that's the case? 
This team cuts more good players over the years with sudden knee jerk moves,
a guy who has seven years of steady work make two bad snaps and the "braintrust" thinks he needs to go.
If Andy Reid is Fired by Philly I put in my vote who really needs to go.
who is consistently poor with his playcalling, 1 yard runs between guard and center about 95% of the time and a second and 9 OBVIOUS pass.
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I like the guy, but are people really getting this upset about our long snapper?
The real thing here is that he was ALWAYS a guy you could count on. Year after year. Even while we were bad, we could always say"but we have the best LS in the NFL". But the new regime doesnt see that, as maybe they shouldnt, they just see a guy who cant play anymore. I wish him good luck, and thank him for his hard work!
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Heck yes ! the beer should be free
Having heard a few sea stories from an old-timer who played for him, I'm not sure I'd want to be anywhere near a Zombie Paul Brown.
Dont get me wrong, i liked Paul Brown a lot-he was a true winner, both with the BRowns and the Bengals, but wasnt he always a zombie?
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He was a guy we could count on .... until this year. This year he played horribly. His snaps were all over the place. It's a shame, because the guy has been a career Cleveland Brown, and that career is probably now over. He's always seemed like a really good guy. I wish him well in the next steps along the path of his life.
I'm certainly not going to blast the FO for cutting a guy who, arguable, has cost us a chance at 2 wins.
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a guy who has seven years of steady work make two bad snaps and the "braintrust" thinks he needs to go.
He is a long snapper. As others have said, if he's not perfect he's gone. This happens all the time, we just don't notice because no one cares about long snappers.
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Not to mention that it wasn't just the 2 snaps that resulted in missed or blocked FGs. There were several other bad snaps that were saved by the holder. It sucks when a guy loses it all of a sudden, but at least he lost it while we still have a bad team. Imagine if we were in playoff contention and he cost us 2 games with bad snaps.
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Without looking it up can anyone name me the long snapper on:
The Jets?
The Cowboys?
The Cardinals?
The Colts?
If you can good for you, you are defiantly a hard core NFL fan. But in all seriousness Ponti is a long snapper and is not a tough position to replace. There are hundreds of guys coming out of College every year that can do the job and even most of the good ones don't get drafted unless they are also starter/back up O-line material.
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Long snappers are found, not drafted, but Davis and then-snapper Ryan Kuehl — then the best in the league — didn’t see eye to eye so Davis let Kuehl go and drafted Pontbriand.
Just like to highlight this one part from the article posted earlier in this thread. Even today, people are boo-hoo'ing that the Browns cut the "best in the business" - well, it happened before and the world moved on. The Browns survived. It'll be alright folks.
And enough of this "two bad snap" business that's being repeated by many - did you watch the games? I don't claim to be break-down-tape guy, but I could notice snaps EVERY GAME going high, left and right and if it weren't for Maynard we'd have lost more points through the year than Pontbriand cost the team recently.
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