Quote: It will happen.....39 is the cusp. Give it another 5 years and you will be hearing garbage....at least to your ear.
I guess it could happen. I'll hedge my bets it won't. I pay the bills as a hospice nurse but spend my summers working production for music festivals. New music is always being presented to me. Over the past year alone I've stumbled into a new respect for a whole new genre of music, electronica. That and I have a wide taste in music. Loving both bluegrass and electronica, and much in between. I guess some of it comes down to a willingness to expand what you thought you knew.
I'm almost 50, and I think that there is still good music being made today.
Granted, there is a lot of crap too ..... but there is good stuff too. It's just a little harder to find.
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Quote: I don't like Kiss at all and like Rush a little so I'm not speaking as a fan of either. But Grand Master Flash getting in before those bands has cost the RHOF it's credibility.
that was kinda my point and the reason I questioned it.
Not a Kiss fan, not a Rush fan either.. However, I reconize the contribution they've made. But Grand Master Flash before either of them,,,,
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There is some good rock today ..... it may not be the "classic" stuff I grew up on ..... but that doesn't make it bad. I agree that there is a lot of crap passed off as rock as well ..... but that doesn't make it all bad.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
A lot of the new "country music" is really rock 'n roll, imo. Toby Keith, Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, and others sound a lot more like Bob Seger than Merle Haggard.
Quote: KISS should be. They kinda made the arena rock show a real thing to be seen live. I mean Steely Dan,you won't find a more musically talented band..but seeing them live..total bore..might as well listen to the CD,album.
Did you see Steely Dan during the heyday of the 70s? No. They didn't do live shows. Fagan hated performing live.
I've seen them a couple of times in the last few years and they put on a good show. But they don't have the explosions and pyrotechnics of the true masters like KISS. That takes R&R HOF worthy talent.
At least Pink Floyd put on great arena rock shows backed by good music. KISS just blows, and then blows up some stuff to show how much more they can blow. The drummer from Cheap Trick tells a funny story about how he put on the makeup to sit in during a live show because KISS' drummer was wasted. Bun E. Carlos said he could play most of the songs one handed.
The Archies and The Monkees should be inducted before KISS.
If you're looking for modern classic rock, you're correct that the rock of ages past is long gone. However, Foo Fighters and Peal Jam are cranking out some quality rock tunes. It's probably not the kind of rock you're looking for, though.
Bands like Nickelback are part of the problem in modern rock music.
So if "musical talent" was a slamdunk way to get into the HOF,then Rush,Dream Theatre and Iron Maiden would be in. I see all these rap artists like Lil Wayne with these over the top stage presentations...like wise for country acts....guess what everybody that comes out with hydrolic lifts, pyro, smoke machine, explosions,owes a debt of graditude to KISS. Diviot,its apparent you have never listened to KISS's music. All you probally heard is the standard same radio songs that FM stations never deviate from. KISS is proof that you don't to graduate from musical academies to make it in RNR. BTW,who cares what Bun.E Carlos said about Peter Criss...last time I checked..Cheap Trick opened for KISS..not the other way around.
Rush, Dream Theater and Iron Maiden are only three of the bands that should be in the HOF before KISS.
By your logic, all the bands that make music videos owe a debt of gratitude to The Monkees and they should be in the HOF. King Crimson pioneered lighting and multi-media, and they have talent. David Bowie, Alice Cooper, and Brian Eno pioneered the make-up, and they have talent. Peter Gabriel of early Genesis did the costume thing, he has talent.
KISS pioneered marketing and excessive licensing of a crappy band to a bunch of dopey teenage boys. I grew up in the 70s and heard more KISS than I care to remember. KISS has the appeal of Spinal Tap at the amusement park doing the free style jazz jam.
Yes, Cheap Trick opened for KISS; and the only people that care what Bun had to say are the ones that believe Peter Criss should never be in the HOF.
Talent...Rush,Maiden,Dream Theatre and the Monkees to a extent have talent. but to say KISS is untalented really is void of any basis and truth. Peter Criss was a jazz drummer in a rock band. Gene Simmons early bass lines were influenced by McCartney. Ace Frehley will never be mistaken for a Blackmore or Page,but he influenced a generation of players....mainly Dimebag Darrel Abbot.late of Pantera. His tone is legendary. Paul Stanley might be the best frontman of any American RNR band. playing rythem guitar and singing is not easy...and he makes it look effortless. for anyone who says KISS is all flash and no substance..download a live version of "Black Diamond"....
I saw Maiden last year at Blossom.....Bruce Dickinson sounded as good as when I saw him on the Powerslave Tour. Him and Halford might be the best metal vocalists of all time. the best thing they did was sack Paul Dianno
A Hall of Fame band should probably be a band that has achieved some degree of notoriety in their career. I bet that 99 out of 100 people could not identify Dream Theater as a band, let alone name a song or album they have recorded.
I do agree that Iron Maiden belongs in the Hall of Fame, as does Rush. Whether or not Rush should go in before Kiss is open to debate IMHO. A band's success has to be a part of the measure of a Hall of fame career, and I would think that KISS has sold more albums over their career than Rush has, and there is no debating that KISS was a huge influence on the rock and roll scene from the very first time they showed up in makeup.
I should add that I am not debating whether or not a particular band, such as Dream Theater, is talented or not. What I am saying is that talent alone does not make a Hall of Fame career. I think that you have to be influential, and "do the numbers" to get consideration.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
He said Dream Theater should be in if talent were the sole deciding factor. But if that were the case, the RnR HoF would be full of uber-technical extreme death metal bands that none of you have ever heard of but have the technical chops to play circles around just about anybody you can name.
Quote: Talent...Rush,Maiden,Dream Theatre and the Monkees to a extent have talent. but to say KISS is untalented really is void of any basis and truth. Peter Criss was a jazz drummer in a rock band. Gene Simmons early bass lines were influenced by McCartney.
for anyone who says KISS is all flash and no substance..download a live version of "Black Diamond"....
No, you didn't. Don't click on the first youtube if you value your eardrums or sanity. And this is the "diamond." Holy crap-pile of unadulterated hideously putrid crap. The first thing that sprang to your mind was substance, not flash?
Peter Criss was a crappy jazz drummer in a crappy rock band. And he can't sing a lick.
Gene Simmons was influenced by McCartneys' baselines? I think this means he used a bunch of the same notes, as if PM was a great bass player. Gene Simmons was more influenced by Linda McCartney's vocals. Paul was first a songwriter, second a vocalist, and playing bass was a distant third. He plays piano better than bass, and that's not saying much.
The same show, Midnight Special, same era - Genesis (really 2 years earlier.) Peter Gabriel - vocals, flute, percussion. Phil Collins - drums, vocals. Steve Haskell - guitar. Rutherford and Banks.
Which band had the HOFers? KISS?!? Did your Mom buy you a KISS lunchbox so you feel compelled to blindly, and deafly, pull some KISS Army tactics suggested by Gene Simmons?
PS - The Monkees had no talent, unless compared to KISS.
What criteria would you use for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? How would you decide who gets in and who doesn't?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Man just because you don't like a band you don't need to shred them. Kiss has one of the biggest following to this day. I don't like them but you can't deny what they have done for the music scene. If feel Megadeth should get in if you have Metallica get in Megadeth shouldn't be to far behind
Quote: What criteria would you use for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? How would you decide who gets in and who doesn't?
Talent, or a major shift in approach. Jimi Hendrix fits both. Elvis fits approach, Eric Clapton (who I do not like) fits talent. Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jimmy Page, Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers, Keith Moon from The Who. There are a bunch.
Impact. The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Skynard, The Clash, Nirvana. Bands that shifted the genre.
Body of work. Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys, Elvis, etc. Lot's of songs that are Rock standards.
KISS misses on Talent, Impact, and Body of Work. Other than that they should be HOF.
OK, I could argue that KISS had a major shift in approach, definitely shifted the genre, and has a body of work that includes "standards" (and I'm not really sure what you would consider a standard) with songs like "Rock and Roll all night", "Detroit Rock City", "Beth", "Doctor Love", "I was made for lovin' you", and so on. Just because you don't like those songs doesn't make their impact and longevity any less real.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: OK, I could argue that KISS had a major shift in approach, definitely shifted the genre, and has a body of work that includes "standards" (and I'm not really sure what you would consider a standard) with songs like "Rock and Roll all night", "Detroit Rock City", "Beth", "Doctor Love", "I was made for lovin' you", and so on. Just because you don't like those songs doesn't make their impact and longevity any less real.
If you actually believe that KISS initiated a major shift in approach (other than marketing to dopey teenage boys), shifted the genre, and have a solid body of work, I will refer you back to The Monkees. At least "The LasJ Train to Clarksville" and "Daydream Believer" had a hook. And they pioneered modern music videos. KISS didn't shift anything, change the genre, or a have a solid body of work. When someone says their songs suck, then the defense is "you only listen to the FM station BS," then it shifts back to the great "classic rock songs" Detroit Rock City," "Rock and Roll All Night," and other crappy songs that suck. I'm surprised you missed the rock classic "Strutter." Hall and Oates have more hits, and Daryl's House is a lot better than Family Jewels, unless you're excited by a large tongue.
The Punk or Grunge movements are examples. Punk = Sex Pistols, Clash, or Ramones. Grunge = Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam. How many idiot bands followed KISS? Zero, or fewer. How many bands did KISS follow? Quite a few. And each was better.
Their songs suck. This isn't an argument about Stairway to Heaven, it's an argument about wanting to poke my eardrums out with an icepick.
Well, to me the RHOF is a complete joke until people such as Rush, Deep Purple, and others are let in immediately. The fact that these groups are not in, the hall should be ashamed of itself.
Kiss was popular when I was in high school in the late 70's, and they've been selling out arenas practically non-stop ever since. You can't discount that just because you think their music sucks. They don't have musical talent, but their product has stood the test of time......30+ years, and their stage presence was unprecedented. Like it or not, they are rock and roll icons and play an important role in rock history. They belong in the hof.
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Quote: Kiss was popular when I was in high school in the late 70's, and they've been selling out arenas practically non-stop ever since. You can't discount that just because you think their music sucks. They don't have musical talent, but their product has stood the test of time......30+ years, and their stage presence was unprecedented. Like it or not, they are rock and roll icons and play an important role in rock history. They belong in the hof.
One could say the same about the Monkeys.
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Wow you did not just use the Monkees as a reply. They where a Hollywood made up band for a t.v. show. Disney Channel followed there lead not rock bands.
Kiss has been around and outsold every band you named. They are still selling out arenas. Look at bands like Gwar, Manson,Maiden, and Rob Zombie just to name a few who followed with the big stage productions.
Hell the Beatles arent know for being great musicians. They where great writers. You will never hear Ringo's name mentioned when talking about great drummers, or Paul's name when talking about bassists.
Kiss found a niche and worked it to the max just like Rolling Stones. Market the heck out of everything and keep your name relivent.
On another note, in this thread I keep hearing how KISS shifted the genre, yeah, true they did BUT to what? Kiss was the beginning of the Glam rock era, glam rock that for the most part sucked ass. Rock music that was all style and no substance. While rock music was kept alive, behind the scenes. The punk scene was going on in small clubs,the hip hop scene(yeaah part of rock and roll) was going on in the inner city. Grunge was getting going in the Northwest. The metal scene was in the small clubs too, while on MTV and in the huge arena shows we had crappy glam rock shows by Poison and the likes. If it wasn't for bands like Nirvana and GNR coming along and kicking Rock in the behind, that crap would have lasted longer.
I changed my mind, to hell with KISS, GNR is going in this year most likely, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzie, Rush go in way before KISS does.
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