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Just another "doh" story out of the "How Eric Mangini set back the Browns for years" book:
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The Jaguars have requested permission to interview Panthers offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski for their head coaching job.
As one of the most creative and effective offensive minds in the game, Chudzinski could be a godsend for Blaine Gabbert. However, he may want to set his sights higher. After helping Cam Newton to a historic rookie year, "Chud" will have his pick of head coaching gigs over the next couple of years. Gabbert's rookie-year struggles won't make the Jacksonville job very attractive.
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We should have promoted Chud when we fired Romeo and this team would have been in much better shape. Looks like now he is the hot name for both the Rams and Jags jobs.
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Probably. If they draft Luck at #1 he'll likely get a deal in the 4-year, $25 million range (all guaranteed). That's definitely affordable by NFL standards. But do you think the Colts would draft Luck to sit him for three or four years? He'd be a free agent before he gets a start.
I guess what I'm saying is that I can't see the Colts doing any of the following:
1) Paying Manning's bonus and then getting rid of him before a minimum of three years.
2) Drafting Andrew Luck to sit for four years
3) Paying Peyton Manning $19 or $20 million to sit on the bench while Luck plays.
I also can't see Peyton agreeing to do option #3. He could demand to be traded or released, or he could retire. Any of those options would put the Colts in a bind as it would accelerate his $9.6 million guaranteed per year.
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however, i can't help the feeling that Irsay will do what would generally be considered the right thing for the franchise. That would be to pay Manning, Draft Luck and let him sit behind manning for a year or two if he lasts that long. (his injury would scare me)
It blows my mind that u guys can't see this...
Luck IS NOT SITTING in 2012...
Sitting is for QB's like Gabbert/Ponder/Locker...NONE of whom r ready for full-time NFL duty...
Luck is READY NOW...R u blind???...Watch the Bouncing Ball...My gawd...
Luck won't sit ANYWHERE...And if u don't believe it because he hasn't PROVEN anything yet...WATCH what happens within 2 days of the draft...It's gonna be Manning/Rivers all over again...
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Sitting is for QB's like Gabbert/Ponder/Locker...NONE of whom r ready for full-time NFL duty...
Luck is READY NOW...R u blind???...Watch the Bouncing Ball...My gawd...
Luck won't sit ANYWHERE...And if u don't believe it because he hasn't PROVEN anything yet...WATCH what happens within 2 days of the draft...It's gonna be Manning/Rivers all over again...
You mean like how Rivers and Manning both started immediately.
Oh wait ... no... they sat behind Brees and Warner respectively. Oops analogy fail.
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The only problem with that is that if they pay Manning's bonus, they're stuck with him on the roster for at least three years, if not all four remaining on his deal. At least 50% of his total salary for cap purposes is from guaranteed bonuses, and the hit they take by him leaving before his deal expires is $9.6 million per each year left on his contract. They're not going to pay him $18, $19 or $20 million to stand on the sidelines while Luck plays, and they can't afford to cut or trade him.
Probably true,, Manning has taken a cut before to make it possible to get the talent around him. So I'm thinking that with the loyalty that Irsay just showed toward Manning, he'll do that again.
I would think that priority for Manning is another shot at the ring.. The question may become, where is his best chance to do that. I'd think Indy. The system is pretty much his, he owns it.
So, maybe he'll give a hometown discount.. Wouldn't be the first time he's done it.
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
Actually, I think just the opposite. Unless I misunderstood the problem between Irsay and the Polians, the polians wanted to move beyond manning and Irsay was not of the mindset.
So, if that's true, then the opposite of you are suggesting is also true..
We'll see.
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
Actually, I think just the opposite. Unless I misunderstood the problem between Irsay and the Polians, the polians wanted to move beyond manning and Irsay was not of the mindset.
So, if that's true, then the opposite of you are suggesting is also true..
We'll see.
This was my thought as well.
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
Actually, I think just the opposite. Unless I misunderstood the problem between Irsay and the Polians, the polians wanted to move beyond manning and Irsay was not of the mindset.
So, if that's true, then the opposite of you are suggesting is also true..
We'll see.
Yep, we;ll see.
My thinking is the meeting Manning and Polian were in when Isray made the call was to talk about ways to keep Manning in Indy.
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
Actually, I think just the opposite. Unless I misunderstood the problem between Irsay and the Polians, the polians wanted to move beyond manning and Irsay was not of the mindset.
So, if that's true, then the opposite of you are suggesting is also true..
We'll see.
Yep, we;ll see.
My thinking is the meeting Manning and Polian were in when Isray made the call was to talk about ways to keep Manning in Indy.
Probably true, but I was under the impression that it was the Polians that wanted to move on past Manning and Irsay didn't. Now, if that's the wrong impression, then you may well be right...
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In looking around, you may be right.
Who knows??
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
I don't think that at all.
Irsay has been incredibly supportive of Manning, and respects the hell out of him. He and Manning are also reported to be very close. If anything, the firing of the Polians suggests that Manning will return as opposed to not.
I also believe that this year took its toll on both men because of the way the team played without Manning. I would guess that maybe Manning has asked for a part here or there, and this year showed that some of what he asked for was not unreasonable.I think that they will draft Luck, but will look for help for Manning so he can make another Super Bowl win.
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Yeah, from what I'm hearing on ESPN radio, its sounding like the Polians want to bring in the new blood and Irsay is wanting to remain loyal to Peyton. This draft season will be a fun one . . . And once again we're all excited for IT and not the friggin' playoffs . . . Jeff Fisher meeting w/ Dolphins AND Rams . . .
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Stupid 1: How the hell does Norv Turner return to San Diego? Does he have pictures of the owner doing something he shouldn't or what?
Stupid 2: The Bears offense looked damn good until Cutler got hurt. Backup QB generates backup results. Then your premiere RB gets hurt too .......
Firing Martz makes no sense there.
Lotta insanity there.
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Stupid 1: How the hell does Norv Turner return to San Diego? Does he have pictures of the owner doing something he shouldn't or what?
Stupid 2: The Bears offense looked damn good until Cutler got hurt. Backup QB generates backup results. Then your premiere RB gets hurt too .......
Firing Martz makes no sense there.
Lotta insanity there.
what would you think of Martz as our OC?
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Mike Martz? Maybe that wouldn't be a bad fit for the Browns as their OC.
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Martz isn't a WCO guy. He wouldn't be a fit.
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I dont know how i feel about Norv as head coach...
with an offense of Ryan Mathews, Mike Tolbert, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson, Malcom Floyd, and Vincent Brown...they really have been doing a good job on offense which is Turner's forte.
As for the defense...it hasnt been the same since Wade Phillips left. They improved last year...but Ron Rivera left...theyve had as many defensive coordinators as theyve had seasons since Wade Phillips left it seems...thats an exaggeration, but its there...If their defense and ST could be there...they'll be fine.
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maybe they should fire caleb hanie.
or maybe they realized martz' offense is so complex that you need tons of reps to get it right. kind of robs the backup of having any real shot of executing it well.
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The Bears offense looked damn good until Cutler got hurt. Backup QB generates backup results. Then your premiere RB gets hurt too .......
Firing Martz makes no sense there.
I goofed when I renamed that link. Martz RESIGNED. No firing . . .
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They're all celebrating here as if Jerry Angelo was this horrible manager.
I don't think that's the case. He was not the best but he was also nowhere near the worst. Drafted a couple of pretty nice players, stuck his neck out in the Cutler trade, and found a pretty solid coach in Lovie Smith. To have a tenure as long as Lovie has, which is only really behind Belichick and Reid says a lot about how good of job you have done with managing the team.
They lost their most important player to injury, and probably their best offensive threat to injury.
He's had his dud picks, as all GM's have.
I just think be careful what you wish for Bears fans.
Also, just say no to Martz.
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The Bears offense looked damn good until Cutler got hurt. Backup QB generates backup results. Then your premiere RB gets hurt too .......
Firing Martz makes no sense there.
I goofed when I renamed that link. Martz RESIGNED. No firing . . .
Right, I just noticed that and was going to correct it for you... 
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The Bears offense looked damn good until Cutler got hurt. Backup QB generates backup results. Then your premiere RB gets hurt too .......
Firing Martz makes no sense there.
I goofed when I renamed that link. Martz RESIGNED. No firing . . .
THAT makes a lot more sense.
I was thinking that maybe a campaign for drug testing of front office personnel and owners might be in order .......
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what would you think of Martz as our OC?
OC with a vertical passing game in the WCO? I'm guessing not.
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Gurss that they showed him! I couldn't trust the franchise to PM's injury as owner. Luck, or whatever the trade swap value is for him, would help the franchise. Is their backup the answer asa starter? Pretty well certain that ours is not the answer here, and McColt isn't ready yet if he is viable. 
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What would it cost to get Peyton Manning?
Could we give up just one of our 1sts to get Peyton Manning? I dont think Colt McCoy would ever complain or anyone would complain if Colt sat behind Peyton Manning for 3-4 more years, and we could get the Peyton Manning offense in here.
I think we'd be wise to try to get Peyton Manning.
Sure his health is a question. But having a legend here, with a better structure benath him than was in Indianapolis, we'd be better equipped to deal with a Manning injury with a backup who has been a starter for this team before.
Give them a first for Manning?
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Ehhhh... As much as I like watching Manning play the game, I'd rather go young if we're going to replace CM. Between his contract cost and his age, I just think we'd be better off looking elsewhere (e.g. a FA like Flynn or draft) for a QB.
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As much as I think Manning is terrific, he's 35 and coming off a serious injury. He may be fine, but I don't think there is anything that will pry him away from Indy.. Irsay loves the guy (as he should) and it seems to me they'll pick Luck and have him sit behind Manning if Manning can play next season.
The conspiracy nut in me is saying that was the plan all along. Keep Manning out even if he can play and tank the season to get a shot a Luck. Pair them up for a year or two afterwhich, Manning retires and joins the staff either in the FO or Coaching.
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We should have promoted Chud when we fired Romeo and this team would have been in much better shape. Looks like now he is the hot name for both the Rams and Jags jobs.
Chud was the very best OC we EVER had since the return. I sure as heck would be much more excited were he the HC and not the disaster we have.
as for the polian firing and what ESPN reported that they wanted to "go young" and Irsay disagreed falls under the line if you hate the message you fire the messenger.
Now they are an aging team built around one man. do they draft and trade Luck and turn him into multiple picks and try for one more run under Manning?
AS for martz, his ego is too big for holmgren.
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neither Martz nor Chud run the WCO. we finally have everyone pulling in the same direction, there is no way we are going to ruin that now.
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no matter what it would cost to get manning it would be to much. He wouldnt last 1 season here behind our line. He would veto the trade or retire and we would have nothing in return.
You would hear the forhead smacking across the county if we traded our 4th for Manning and the Colts go Luck then Blackmon and we got a retired player 2 games into the preseason.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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www.KFFL.comRaiders | Hue Jackson fired Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:44:14 -0800 The Oakland Raiders fired head coach Hue Jackson Tuesday, Jan. 10.
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The Oakland Raiders fired coach Hue Jackson on Tuesday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. New Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie will be introduced Tuesday. He becomes the first Raiders executive to hold the title of GM, and sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen on Monday that McKenzie was contemplating whether he should bring in his own coach, despite the fact he shared the same agent (Kennard McGuire) as Jackson. McGuire had denied that Jackson would be let go. The 48-year-old McKenzie will fulfill many of the duties handled by iconic owner Al Davis until his Oct. 8 death at age 82. Jackson handled many personnel decisions in recent months after Davis' death. Jackson, who just completed his first season as head coach after being elevated from offensive coordinator, pulled off the highly debated October trade for quarterback Carson Palmer after starter Jason Campbell broke his collarbone. McKenzie will take over his new job with the Raiders immediately, meaning he will leave the defending Super Bowl champion Packers (15-1) before they open defense of their title. The NFC's No. 1 seed hosts the New York Giants on Sunday. Oakland has gone without someone in a true GM role since Davis' longtime senior assistant, Bruce Allen, departed for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2003 season. Allen had been a top personnel executive for Davis from 1996-2003. Davis' son, Mark, is now making many top decisions. Oakland went 8-8 this season after a promising 7-4 start, ending its playoff chances by losing four of the final five games. The Raiders have missed the postseason for the last nine years since losing in the Super Bowl after the 2002 season. Raiders fire Jackson
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Jackson's ego was out of control towards the end of the season. He was pulling all the strings within the organization after Al Davis died. It would have been tough for Jackson and the new GM to co-exist.
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Maybe my reading comprehension is fading as I get older. Who is McKenzie and in what capacity was he involved with the Packers? Is this going to have an effect on the game with the Giants?
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McKenzie was some sort of assistant to the GM. He left the Packers and will not have any impact on the Giants game.
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