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Yup, the trade was amazingly bad. It's terrible that the Bengals got a first rounder AND a second for that trade. UGH!
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Still, I can't believe they fired him after one year on the job...
If you add up all the smaller face-palms from Shurmer this year, it has to be more than the one from Jackson. He actually had the team playing relatively well before Palmer entered the equation (and before everyone jumps on my back, the key word here is "relatively". This is the Raiders we're talking about).
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I like the guy alot! Kinda was wanting him here a while back. Not much a Raiders fan but I wish him well!
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There already a bunch of weird stories coming out about Jackson (who is a nut) and will probably be even more in the future.
He didn't get fired because he was a bad coach, he was fired because he wanted full control of the Raiders organization.
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Are you talking about Mckenzie or Jackson.
Jackson at least can pound a table and talk with passion.
I was liking the Raiders early this season, because they led the league in rushing yardage. They weren't playing too bad at the time the Browns played them. If the Browns brought in Jackson at some level it would probably be a positive.
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This is the first thing I look for in any coach.
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I don't even know if he is hireable after the way he acted the last couple weeks in Oakland.
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Maybe my reading comprehension is fading as I get older. Who is McKenzie and in what capacity was he involved with the Packers? Is this going to have an effect on the game with the Giants?
He was one of the candidates we were reported to be interested in when Holmgren was hired. I think he may have even interviewed with Holmgren here.
He was the Asst GM or something such thing...
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“I’m tired of people saying that I’m power hungry, that I’m a blowhard, that I’m saying all the wrong things. I never said I wanted to be the general manager. I said I wanted input. What coach wouldn’t want some input in the direction of the organization?
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and the Jets offensive staff looks to be shown the door. I wouldn't mind getting Callahan in here in some capacity. Don't think Schottenheimer would match our philosophies enough to consider him (he should find a job somewhere though - would like to see him get a chance to resurrect Bradford for instance). Quote:
NEW YORK (AP) -- Brian Schottenheimer is off the hot seat and out the door.
The embattled New York Jets offensive coordinator told the team Tuesday that he will not return next season after six years running an offense that often failed to live up to expectations.
In a statement released by the team Tuesday night, Schottenheimer said he made the decision "after much thought and consideration." Schottenheimer, the son of former NFL coach Marty Schottenheimer, was highly criticized for the Jets' inconsistencies on an offensive unit that ranked 25th overall and for quarterback Mark Sanchez not progressing in his third year.
The 38-year-old Schottenheimer said in the statement that he was "very proud of what we have accomplished" during his time with the Jets, and thanked coach Rex Ryan and the organization.
"I look forward to the exciting opportunities that lie ahead," he said.
Former Miami Dolphins coach Tony Sparano is expected to be at the top of the Jets' wish list to replace Schottenheimer. Sparano, fired in December and replaced by Todd Bowles, has also worked as an assistant with Cleveland, Washington, Jacksonville and Dallas.
It's one of a handful of coaching moves that will shake up Ryan's staff. Offensive line coach Bill Callahan and wide receivers coach Henry Ellard are both not expected back.
Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum said last week after the team finished 8-8 and failed to make the playoffs that they expected Schottenheimer back unless he got a head coaching job. Schottenheimer interviewed for Jacksonville's job, which went to Mike Mularkey.
Schottenheimer had two years and about $3.2 million remaining on his contract after quietly receiving an extension in the offseason. Apparently, the sides agreed to a mutual parting after a tough season.
"Brian and I talked and I understand his decision to look for a fresh start," Ryan said in a statement. "I'd like to thank him for all of his contributions these past three seasons. He's been right there with me, shoulder to shoulder, and played a key role in our success, helping us to reach two AFC championship games."
Ryan added he feels "fortunate to have worked with him" and he knows Schottenheimer "will be a successful head coach one day - probably sooner than later."
Schottenheimer's future had been uncertain for several weeks, despite the votes of confidence from both Ryan and Tannenbaum.
Sanchez struggled mightily down the stretch as the Jets lost three straight to end the season, and was wildly inconsistent throughout as Schottenheimer's offense failed to establish an identity. After going with a run-first approach, which is Ryan's preference, the Jets decided to start this season by passing more with wide receivers Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress and the since-departed Derrick Mason in the mix.
But the offensive line started poorly, unable to consistently protect Sanchez or open up holes for the running game - creating a domino effect that led to the quarterback getting bruised and battered routinely. After a few games, Ryan then insisted the Jets go back to a "ground-and-pound" approach, which was slow to develop with Shonn Greene.
There were signs of trouble early when Mason made some critical comments, saying the team had "cracks" that needed to be fixed. Mason, along with Burress and Holmes, was also mentioned in a Daily News report in October that said the wide receivers had met with Ryan individually to complain about Schottenheimer's system. All three denied the report, as did Ryan, but Mason was soon traded to Houston.
The Jets even brought in Tom Moore, the former Indianapolis Colts offensive guru, as a consultant to assist Schottenheimer - and some viewed that as a clear indicator that the team was not thrilled with the offensive coordinator. Schottenheimer publicly said he was happy to have someone with Moore's experience to lean on, and Ryan repeatedly said Moore's presence was in no way a result of a lack of confidence in Schottenheimer.
But things seemed to come to a head in Week 16 as the offense couldn't get much of anything done down the stretch in a 29-14 loss to the Giants that seriously jeopardized their playoff hopes. Sanchez threw 59 times in the game, something that had even the players scratching their heads.
In the season finale at Miami, Holmes sulked about his role and argued in the huddle, leading to Schottenheimer's last major decision with the Jets. He benched the playmaker while New York was trying to get back into a 19-17 loss.
Schottenheimer was often the target of irate fans, who flocked to sports radio shows, Twitter and message boards, demanding that he be fired. Predictably, many fans also celebrated the news on Twitter late Tuesday night after the move was announced.
Schottenheimer came to New York in 2006 as part of former coach Eric Mangini's staff, and was praised in that first season for a refreshingly creative approach. That seemed to diminish over the next few seasons, though, but Schottenheimer also dealt with a revolving door at quarterback with Chad Pennington, Kellen Clemens and then Brett Favre. After Ryan replaced Mangini as coach in 2009, he kept Schottenheimer as his offensive coordinator.
Ryan and Schottenheimer often talked about how they shared a common bond as sons of former NFL coaches, and were able to deal with criticism from fans and media maybe a bit better than those who hadn't grown up as they had.
"I grew up in a household around a coach that took a lot of heat and got fired at 14-2," Schottenheimer said a few weeks ago, referring to his father Marty's firing by San Diego following the 2006 season. "You have no control over it, so you just roll with the punches."
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I wonder if Brian Schottenheimer will coach under his father if his father gets a job
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i don't see why he wouldn't, but only TB has shown any interest in Marty.
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Callahan went to Dallas to be their offensive coordinator.
It looks like the Jets are going to hire Sparano and Haley as co-offensive coordinators.
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Jim Caldwell’s tenure with the Indianapolis Colts has come to an end. Following a dismal 2-14 season and several days of uncertainty about his job status, the Colts announced the firing of their third-year head coach Tuesday.
The announcement was made via a one-sentence blog ppost on Colts.com.
" The Indianapolis Colts have released Jim Caldwell of his duties as head coach of the Indianapolis Colts."
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It will be interesting to see who they hire. If they hire someone from within the organization or someone who is familiar with their offensive system I think Peyton Manning stays. If they hire someone from outside then Manning is gone.
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If they hire someone from within the organization or someone who is familiar with their offensive system I think Peyton Manning stays. If they hire someone from outside then Manning is gone.
I think Manning's neck health will be more of a factor on whether he stays or is gone.
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That tells me Peyton is GONE.
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Maybe Dungy will go back there and draft Griffin.  It still cracks me up that he said that. What a dufus. Like Really Tony? I won't get into what I think but geesh. I think everyone looked at him like he was just in the bathroom stall in a cloud of smoke. Where's the smoking Graemlin when you need one..
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Take away his biggest weapon, then fire the guy... Oh well,, no forgiveness in the NFL... which really does seem to stand for Not For Long
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You can't lose one player, no matter how good that one player is, and see your team go from 10-6 to 2-14. That team had enough talent that they should have been able to squeak out 4-6 wins, even without Manning. They didn't, and they looked really incompetent losing. That's the unforgivable part. Maybe they hire Manning as Head Coach/QB. 
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I agree. Out with the VP, GM and HC with a franchise QB waiting for them in April? They are gonna rebuild the entire organization around Luck.
Peyton will land somewhere and make some team currently on the cusp an instant contender. Honestly, this scenario works out best for both parties.
I think predicting where Manning will go and why would make an interesting thread all onto itself.
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You can't lose one player, no matter how good that one player is, and see your team go from 10-6 to 2-14. That team had enough talent that they should have been able to squeak out 4-6 wins, even without Manning. They didn't, and they looked really incompetent losing. That's the unforgivable part.
Maybe they hire Manning as Head Coach/QB.
BUT BUT BUT,, A Rookie First Round QB will make us soooooo much better, but losing a sure HOFer shouldn't kill the Colts?
I thought it didn't matter what the talent level was, if you get a QB like Luck, you can win?

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You can't lose one player, no matter how good that one player is, and see your team go from 10-6 to 2-14. That team had enough talent that they should have been able to squeak out 4-6 wins, even without Manning. They didn't, and they looked really incompetent losing. That's the unforgivable part.
Maybe they hire Manning as Head Coach/QB.
BUT BUT BUT,, A Rookie First Round QB will make us soooooo much better, but losing a sure HOFer shouldn't kill the Colts?
I thought it didn't matter what the talent level was, if you get a QB like Luck, you can win?

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It is amazing the extent some will go to point to our qb as being the reason for losing, yet they ignore the fact that losing a pro bowl qb will have an effect on a team.
Let me paraphrase: The Browns sucked because of Colt.
Indy should not have sucked just because they lost a qb - any old qb could've done better. 
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You can't lose one player, no matter how good that one player is, and see your team go from 10-6 to 2-14. That team had enough talent that they should have been able to squeak out 4-6 wins, even without Manning. They didn't, and they looked really incompetent losing. That's the unforgivable part.
Maybe they hire Manning as Head Coach/QB.
BUT BUT BUT,, A Rookie First Round QB will make us soooooo much better, but losing a sure HOFer shouldn't kill the Colts?
I thought it didn't matter what the talent level was, if you get a QB like Luck, you can win?

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Wow.
Did I say that they would go to the playoffs? No.
Did I say that they would even have a winning record without Manning? No.
I said that the talent on the Colts, overall, is good enough to be a 4-6 win team without Manning. They would have been a playoff team with him. They have, however, been a winning team for a very long time with him. Losing their QB takes them from being a winning team to not being a winning team .... but to go from a playoff team to a 2-14 team is horrible failure for that coaching staff.
Hell, we won 4 games this year, and we were a 5-11 team that improved its talent this off-season. They were a 10-6 team last year, and they went to 2-14 this year. Sure they lost their QB, but they didn't lose many other guys. There should have been an impact, but not an 8 game impact.
Now go back to your childish BS.
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The Colts aren't as talented as everybody think they are. Don't get me wrong Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark are great players, but other than those two on offense who is going to beat you with Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter guiding the offense? The defense can't stop the run and really hasn't since Peyton came there, except for their playoff push for their Super Bowl win.
Garcon drops a lot of balls, Collie has serious concussion issues, Joseph Addai has missed 12 games in the last two years, Donald Brown hasn't performed up to par since he was drafted.
This Colts team was built around Peyton like no other team has been built around a QB that I can really recall, even more than the current Patriots. The defense is built to play with a lead, they have two of the best pass rushers in the league in Freeney and Mathis.
I was shocked that people were saying the colts should win between 6-8 games without Peyton. I thought from the jump they would be lucky to win 4.
And for the record, half of their losses we by one score or less. They had 3 really bad games all year, first Texans, Saints, and Falcons.
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As I said, I thought that they should win between 4-6 games without Manning.
Their defense fell apart, with guys like Brackett, Foster, Bullitt, Powers, and Wheeler winding up on IR. Some of those guys didn't hit the IR till late in the season though. Without the offense scoring at will, they were exposed.
They ran the ball better this year than last. They ran for 1594 yards and 4.2 per attempt compared to 1483 and only 3.8 per attempt in 2010. They did rush for fewer TDs though.
Passing is, obviously, where they really dropped off, falling from 4609 in 2010 to only 2995 in 2011, and from 33 TD to only 14 through the air.
Regardless, they played us, Jacksonville and Tennessee twice, Tampa Bay, KC, and Cincinnati. These were all losing teams from the year before, and only Tennessee and Cincinnati had winning records this year. The fact that they lost to Jacksonville twice hurt them a great deal, and those wins for Jacksonville were 2 of only 5 on the whole year.
Given how badly some of the teams they played were playing when they played them, I'll stand by my opinion that they should have won 4-6 games even without Manning.
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You can't lose one player, no matter how good that one player is, and see your team go from 10-6 to 2-14. That team had enough talent that they should have been able to squeak out 4-6 wins, even without Manning. They didn't, and they looked really incompetent losing. That's the unforgivable part.
Maybe they hire Manning as Head Coach/QB.
BUT BUT BUT,, A Rookie First Round QB will make us soooooo much better, but losing a sure HOFer shouldn't kill the Colts?
I thought it didn't matter what the talent level was, if you get a QB like Luck, you can win?

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Wow.
Did I say that they would go to the playoffs? No.
Did I say that they would even have a winning record without Manning? No.
I said that the talent on the Colts, overall, is good enough to be a 4-6 win team without Manning. They would have been a playoff team with him. They have, however, been a winning team for a very long time with him. Losing their QB takes them from being a winning team to not being a winning team .... but to go from a playoff team to a 2-14 team is horrible failure for that coaching staff.
Hell, we won 4 games this year, and we were a 5-11 team that improved its talent this off-season. They were a 10-6 team last year, and they went to 2-14 this year. Sure they lost their QB, but they didn't lose many other guys. There should have been an impact, but not an 8 game impact.
Now go back to your childish BS.
You call what I did Childish BS? WOW
Like I said, let the dancing begin...
Now you gotta dance around your comments and the way you do that is to try and belittle anyone that questions you.., Very good..

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Not exactly "fired" news, but something to keep an eye on...*********************************************************************** Arians might not come back If he does not return, Tomlin would be forced into first hunt for a coordinator Thursday, January 19, 2012 By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Mike Tomlin has not had to worry about hiring an offensive or defensive coordinator since he became head coach in 2007. Now, that might change. Tomlin could be facing his first significant hire since replacing Bill Cowher because offensive coordinator Bruce Arians might not return in 2012, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned. Arians, 57, is in the final year of his contract with the Steelers, and it is unclear if he is retiring -- something he considered last year -- or not having his contract renewed. Arians has been the offensive coordinator since Tomlin inherited him and defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau five years ago. Arians was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin indicated that in a news conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver. Team president Art Rooney II indicated Tuesday, however, that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement. Arians considered retiring after the 2010 season because of health problems and other issues. He skipped the NFL combine in February while he mulled his decision. Unlike some of the Steelers assistant coaches, Arians was not going to attend Senior Bowl workouts in Mobile, Ala., next week. But that is because quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is taking him and his wife to the Pro Bowl in Hawaii. Roethlisberger, named a backup to Tom Brady for the AFC team, also is taking his position coach, Randy Fichtner, and his wife to Hawaii. Arians has been with the Steelers since 2004, spending his first three seasons as a wide receiver coach when Ken Whisenhunt was the offensive coordinator. He helped install the passing game that the Steelers use to this day. Two years ago, the Steelers considered a change in offensive coordinators, but Arians was retained with the help of support from Roethlisberger. Since Arians became the coordinator, the Steelers have played in two Super Bowls, winning one. This season, the offense had two 1,000-yard receivers, a 4,000-yard quarterback and four members selected to the Pro Bowl. The offense, however, ranked 21st in points scored -- a point Rooney emphasized in his state of the Steelers summation. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12019/1204477-66.stm
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Wasn't he going to retire this year? I really thought so.
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If anyone ever fired Lebeau, he'd last about 10 seconds on the open market. His phone would probably explode with the number of teams calling him and giving him whatever he wants.
As much as I hate the Steelers, that defense that Lebeau runs is just ridiculously good.
I think he deserves to get into the HOF as a coordinator. He's just the face of that defense, and that defense is so good.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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And to think...he's going to be 75 this year. Looks like he's in great shape for someone of that age.
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