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Yeah, I see that in you, On and off the bandwagon. That's credit enough the unintentional route. I said both Jamarcus and him were highly overrated and were the beneficiaries of being in a horrible draft class for QB's and of course the Hype machine. I don't know it all, what I know is if we keep flopping QB's it won't matter who is back there. The only time that will ever work is after we have been in the same system for 4 years and there aren't a bunch new guys playing together, learning a new offense, with no off season and a bunch of injuries. When a QB can step in and get on the same page and not everyone is trying to get on the same page.
These folks that want RG3 need to realize that he ain't coming to Cleveland and they might as well get their vents out now about it. Listen to Heckert on WKNR's 'Really Big Show' with Tony Rizzo.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=476&f=354141
He can't comment on any underclassmen without being fined/lose draft picks. Can you specify what he said that causes you to believe that he doesn't like RG3, and won't take him at 4?
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Heckert is one part of the equation.. He has scouts and then there is also Holmgren that can effect who we draft...
but if both Blackmon and RG3 are there.. I would like to think we would draft Blackmon first...
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He can't comment on any underclassmen without being fined/lose draft picks. Can you specify what he said that causes you to believe that he doesn't like RG3, and won't take him at 4?
I think it had more to do with what he said about Colt McCoy, and I kind of agree with him. I'd like to see Colt McCoy with a legitimate offseason to learn the offense.
Last season was the worst situation that could have happened for a head coach, installing a totally new offensive system. All the OTA's were missed. All the work done before training camp with coaches was missed.
I was listening to Aaron Rogers and Matt Flynn talk about how they have a QB Camp in March for a couple weeks, where they refine their throwing motions and work on the offense. Colt didn't have a chance for anything like that.
New system and he doesn't get to work on it until training camp. His top receiver misses all training camp and isn't that good anyway (Mass). I'm just really hoping the receivers and QBs all look better with a full offseason of learning the WCO.
Although I have a tough time believing Colt will ever look like any of the top playoff QBs I saw the past couple days (Brady, Eli, Brees, and Rogers). But those guys are all very good, all have won superbowls, and they've all played for awhile.
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I would really like to see the Browns build an elite offensive line. If Kalil is there at 4, I hope they consider taking him.
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I would really like to see the Browns build an elite offensive line. If Kalil is there at 4, I hope they consider taking him.
I've thought about this and have one major problem with it.
In the end, Kalil will want LT money when he becomes a FA. Are we going to sign him to a similar contract we just gave Joe Thomas?
It's just a lot of money to get a RT. And drafting someone at 4, I'd really like it to be someone who is here for awhile.
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I agree with both of you. I'd like an elite OL but I don't think you need book end LTs to make that happen. I think there will be a very good OT available with our second round pick...
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we'll have plenty of money to re-sign kalil if we don't have a franchise QB or a #1 WR.
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We'll have plenty of money.
Not many teams have had to strip their roster because they didn't have enough money or cap space.
The cap goes up each year based on revenue. The dollars we are dealing with today won't be the same in 4-5 years.
Plus, if you are thinking more than 2-3 years ahead, you are missing the boat. Too many variables to be thinking 4-5 years down the road.
Just think about winning next year and the year after that. That way you always have one year to plan for the next while keeping your eye on the most important thing....winning your next game.
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we'll have plenty of money to re-sign kalil if we don't have a franchise QB or a #1 WR.
Obviously, I don't think anyone thinks that a RT should take the place of getting us a good quarterback.........
That's one thing that's very clear. Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers: Those guys are really good. It can't be a coincidence that four of the best five quarterbacks (not counting Peyton) in football were in the divisional playoffs. That two of the best QBs in football are in the Conference Championship Games. All five of the best QBs in football (playing this year) were in the playoffs.
But if there is no QB for us to get this year that is a "franchise QB" nothing you can do........
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Plus, if you are thinking more than 2-3 years ahead, you are missing the boat. Too many variables to be thinking 4-5 years down the road.
This I disagree with Peen. Offensive linemen are one of the main positions I see that way. They have very long careers (especially the good ones), so I see it like the stock market. As a safe, long-term investment. Joe Thomas was that, and he just so happened to fill an extremely important need as well
Most RBs don't have careers like my main man Curtis Martin (favorite RB ever, kinda an idol of mine when i was a kid playing backyard football). He played 11 seasons, and for 10 of them he was very productive. But anyway, they're short term investments IMO. Sometimes you get lucky and get someone like Curtis though. (That's why I want Trent Richardson, very safe pick, great player, has a big impact on the game. Bring the Browns our Curtis Martin. 10 years of a solid running game and bring Danger a new Browns Jersey (Brown one so that I can wear it for home games, while wearing Haden for away games))
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Yeah, I see that in you, On and off the bandwagon. That's credit enough the unintentional route. I said both Jamarcus and him were highly overrated and were the beneficiaries of being in a horrible draft class for QB's and of course the Hype machine. I don't know it all, what I know is if we keep flopping QB's it won't matter who is back there. The only time that will ever work is after we have been in the same system for 4 years and there aren't a bunch new guys playing together, learning a new offense, with no off season and a bunch of injuries. When a QB can step in and get on the same page and not everyone is trying to get on the same page.
These folks that want RG3 need to realize that he ain't coming to Cleveland and they might as well get their vents out now about it. Listen to Heckert on WKNR's 'Really Big Show' with Tony Rizzo.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=476&f=354141
He can't comment on any underclassmen without being fined/lose draft picks. Can you specify what he said that causes you to believe that he doesn't like RG3, and won't take him at 4?
He would comment on any underclassmen but when asked about McCoy, he supported him and commented on that. They're not going to go with RG3 and if they do, they're putting the franchise back. They're not wasting a pick on him. They'll trade back if they think that they can get their guy later and that's what I think the plan is to do. They're looking to trade back and to get the guy that they're really targeting later. If they're sitting there at #4 and RG3 is there, he wouldn't be talking like that. RG3 won't be there (but he should be) if they traded back because I don't think he'll get passed the Redskins at #6. That leads me to believe that they won't be drafting RG3.
For another, RG3 isn't even in the same class as Luck and there is little chance that we would go up to seek Luck at the #1 spot either.
Of course, trading back always depends on who is available and who wants to move up to the spot the Browns occupy and what they're willing to give up.
I can see the Browns going after Claiborne because I think they had their eye on Peterson last year and Arizona drafted him right ahead of the Browns. I honestly think that the trade was their back-up option and it was executed.
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Heckert is one part of the equation.. He has scouts and then there is also Holmgren that can effect who we draft...
but if both Blackmon and RG3 are there.. I would like to think we would draft Blackmon first...
I don't think that if either of them are there that they draft them and they look to trade back out of the spot.
Just take a look at last years draft. I think that Heckert loved the way that the draft worked out (who we got with the picks) and that it was a better decision than to taking Julio Jones ourselves.
Stocking up on picks will bring in more talent at more positions, even if they aren't some overrated QB.
Blackmon could be a fine WR and the Browns can use them, but the feeling I have is that they aren't going that way.
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I can see the Browns going after Claiborne because I think they had their eye on Peterson last year and Arizona drafted him right ahead of the Browns. I honestly think that the trade was their back-up option and it was executed.
See, that I don't really think is gonna happen. With Patterson and Skrine, I like our young CBs. I thought Dimitri looked pretty good filling in for Sheldon Brown. We already have Joe Haden. What we really could use is an impact DE or LB IMO. Unfortunately, there isn't a superstar DE in this draft (that I can clearly see). We need a player who can affect the run and the pass. That's why I'm hoping we find a good FA DE or pick one with one of our next two picks in the draft (1B or 2)
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I would really like to see the Browns build an elite offensive line. If Kalil is there at 4, I hope they consider taking him.
I can't say that I would dislike the player, because I wouldn't but that I think it would be too much for a RT. While it's true that Kalil could be out there playing LT, you don't want to put into the mind of your Pro Bowl LT that his job could be in jeopardy.
I think you take a RT later in the draft and there will be very good ones available.
I love Kalil, and if we needed a LT, I'd be all for it.
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I can't say that I would dislike the player, because I wouldn't but that I think it would be too much for a RT. While it's true that Kalil could be out there playing LT, you don't want to put into the mind of your Pro Bowl LT that his job could be in jeopardy.
Joe Thomas just got an 84 million dollar contract to be the highest paid tackle in the league. Would he really feel like his job is in jeopardy because we drafted another tackle?
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I can see the Browns going after Claiborne because I think they had their eye on Peterson last year and Arizona drafted him right ahead of the Browns. I honestly think that the trade was their back-up option and it was executed.
See, that I don't really think is gonna happen. With Patterson and Skrine, I like our young CBs. I thought Dimitri looked pretty good filling in for Sheldon Brown. We already have Joe Haden. What we really could use is an impact DE or LB IMO. Unfortunately, there isn't a superstar DE in this draft (that I can clearly see). We need a player who can affect the run and the pass. That's why I'm hoping we find a good FA DE or pick one with one of our next two picks in the draft (1B or 2)
You have a point. I like Skrine (with that blazing speed!) and Patterson is good but he's also a FA.
I think making a serious play for Mario Williams (and yeah, I'd overpay on the current scale for his services) would solve one of those problems. We could put him at either the DE spot opposite of Sheard or in the OLB spot and have a nasty force there.
I'm not so certain that there aren't some quality DEs or LBs later in the draft and I don't think superstars is what we necessarily need but that seems to be the consensus among the fans on these message boards.
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Joe Thomas just got an 84 million dollar contract to be the highest paid tackle in the league. Would he really feel like his job is in jeopardy because we drafted another tackle?
Everyone is expendable or he could be moved. I don't think anyone would argue that Joe Thomas had a remarkable year. That might be partially due to the injury to Steinbach and the fall-off in talent to his right, but not all of it.
I just don't see it happening, since Kalil would want that LT money when he hits FA and he wouldn't get that coming to Cleveland. He might refuse to play for the Browns. That's his livelihood and the potential future earnings that the Browns would be playing with.
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You have a point. I like Skrine (with that blazing speed!) and Patterson is good but he's also a FA.
I think making a serious play for Mario Williams (and yeah, I'd overpay on the current scale for his services) would solve one of those problems. We could put him at either the DE spot opposite of Sheard or in the OLB spot and have a nasty force there.
I'm not so certain that there aren't some quality DEs or LBs later in the draft and I don't think superstars is what we necessarily need but that seems to be the consensus among the fans on these message boards.
I think we will re-sign Patterson. I really hope we do at least. I'd love to make a play for Mario Williams, although I doubt he sees much duty as an OLB in our scheme. I could see him doing spot duty standing up if it's advantageous to us with because we want to add in more DE's (as the Giants did last night where they were lining up 3 guys on the line with Justin Tuck standing up), but I imagine if Williams is coming here his hand will be on the ground. Him and Sheard would be awesome. Phil Taylor and Rubin can collapse the pocket very well too. Our D-Line would be a real strength. And I don't think Mitchell would be bad as a backup, he's just definitely not a starter.
As for players later in the draft, I definitely think we'll look into other D-Linemen, whether or not we get our new starting DE in FA. Another DTackle would be good to get. Taylor and Rubin are big guys, and having a rotation that would keep them fresh would get the most out of them. I wasn't very impressed with Schaffering at all. And if Rubin or Taylor goes down, he's definitely no starter
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I just don't see it happening, since Kalil would want that LT money when he hits FA and he wouldn't get that coming to Cleveland. He might refuse to play for the Browns. That's his livelihood and the potential future earnings that the Browns would be playing with.
This is my question. Will we pay Kalil LT money to stay in Cleveland? Thomas is 27, he's not retiring soon or anything. Kalil's contract will be up or close to be up and we're going to have to ask ourselves, are we willing to give him a 6 year 84 million dollar contract like we gave Joe Thomas?
I don't think so, so I don't think we'll go Kalil
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These folks that want RG3 need to realize that he ain't coming to Cleveland and they might as well get their vents out now about it. Listen to Heckert on WKNR's 'Really Big Show' with Tony Rizzo.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=476&f=354141
Thanks for the link Anarchy!  I don't know how much more he could say about McCoy being in the position we are in in the draft with the possibilities of like you said trading down. Without saying Colt is our Guy he said enough to make you believe that without saying it. Obviously he doesn't want other teams to believe that or being in the 4 hole with Griffin on the board loses value. If teams think we are taking him they would love for a Washington to go up and get him. Now sitting at 4 if Luck and Griffin and say one of the Top 4 guys (Kalil, Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson) are off the board teams will pay big time to move into our spot to grab the three that are still there or the likelyhood of the guy they really want are there out of those guys. Once again I don't even think Griffin is an option especially after listening to him about McCoy and knowing what most of us can see with what was wrong last year and he eluded to. Heckert will get a nice bunch of package offers and some might include players. I think he will take the best one and move down. Teams I can see that might be calling Could be Miami, Seattle, Dallas, Detroit and possibly Cinci. If Griffin is there and he will be unless someone thinks we are drafting him, Miami and Seattle or Washington will be calling. Now in a perfect world we trade with Washington and move down to 6 picking up extra picks and with Richardson or one of the others left on the board we trade out agin.
I will have to do the breakdown on that, but wow.
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After listening to that interview it's hard to believe that our QB will be anyone other than Colt McCoy.
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It's in the best interest for negotiating purposes that the rest of the NFL thinks that as well. Don't get too tied up in what the front office says from now until late April. Silly season has begun.
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It's in the best interest for negotiating purposes that the rest of the NFL thinks that as well. Don't get too tied up in what the front office says from now until late April. Silly season has begun.
Listen, softly in the distance, you can here the glasses clinking as Mort, Schefter, and Jay Glazer toast to their busy months ahead...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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It's in the best interest for negotiating purposes that the rest of the NFL thinks that as well. Don't get too tied up in what the front office says from now until late April. Silly season has begun.
This!
Don't believe anything until the ink is dry. None of us know what they are thinking or planning. All we can do is speculate.
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Wow .... you heard a lot of stuff in there that I didn't. lol They said "Pause if you are not taking a QB ...... or something like that" ...... and he said that he can't talk about specific players yet. Of course he's going to talk up McCoy right now. What good does it do to talk him down when we can't sign anyone else yet, can't draft anyone else yet, can't have players in for camp yet, and can't trade and/or trade for anyone yet? They are going to make safe statements, and wait for everything to open up. Then they still aren't going to tell us anything.  I will say this .... if this front office decided to go with McCoy for another year, they better be right. I get the feeling that they would be overruling their head coach, because his body language hasn't said "Gee, I can't wait till I get Colt McCoy back on the field!!!". If I am betting, than I am betting on us having a new starting QB this fall. I think it will be through the draft, but it could be a trade. I know my preference .... and like I said ..... if you need a QB and you pass on one, you better be right about the choice you made. Nothing gets front offices and GMs fired faster than bad QB decisions.
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Wow .... you heard a lot of stuff in there that I didn't. lol
They said "Pause if you are not taking a QB ...... or something like that" ...... and he said that he can't talk about specific players yet.
Of course he's going to talk up McCoy right now. What good does it do to talk him down when we can't sign anyone else yet, can't draft anyone else yet, can't have players in for camp yet, and can't trade and/or trade for anyone yet?
They are going to make safe statements, and wait for everything to open up. Then they still aren't going to tell us anything.
I will say this .... if this front office decided to go with McCoy for another year, they better be right. I get the feeling that they would be overruling their head coach, because his body language hasn't said "Gee, I can't wait till I get Colt McCoy back on the field!!!".
If I am betting, than I am betting on us having a new starting QB this fall. I think it will be through the draft, but it could be a trade. I know my preference .... and like I said ..... if you need a QB and you pass on one, you better be right about the choice you made. Nothing gets front offices and GMs fired faster than bad QB decisions.
Wow - about the coach - you must be a body language expert.
Who knows about Mccoy? I don't. You don't. But you say if they stick with Mccoy, they better be right? Please.
But, okay.
I'll say this, if they trade 3 first round picks, plus a second - they DAMN well better be right.
There isn't a player around that is worth 3 first round draft picks. Let me clarify that statement: There isn't ONE single player in the DRAFT that is worth 3 first round draft picks. Not one. Not this year, not any year. (and don't bring in the "you wouldn't have traded 3 first round picks for Manning" crap)
Every draft is a crap shoot. Every pick is a crapshoot. I don't care what the scouts and so called "experts" say. Face it - they say it every year - same crap, different name. And? They're wrong as often as they're right. Period.
If a qb falls to us, great. If not, you do NOT sell out to get one. Too many holes to fill on this team.
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I should add that I was talking about Shurmur earlier when he was asked about McCoy. I got the impression that he's not all that sold on him ..... and his body language when the offense would blow up on the field said that he wasn't happy.
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Oh, and since you're apparently a body language expert - can you tell me how the coach's body language read when he didn't have a clue as to when to call a time out? Or when he didn't have a clue as to what play to run?
When the Browns scored a t.d. and Shurmer's body language said "ah"...........what did that mean?
When a receiver dropped a pass on 3rd down, what did coach's body language say?
Seriously dude, we get it. You think all we need to do is get a stud qb. You think there are 2 in this draft - get one, and we'll be well on our way to superiority. Come on man - drop it.
Too many needs on this team. There isn't ONE player that will change this team - regardless of how many times you say a qb will.
And for the record - I know of NO ONE that has said Colt is the answer. I haven't. But I do know of many, many people that say "if a qb is there with our pick, get him". I know of many, many people that have said "we have too many holes to sell out for a "might be".
Come on man.
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I have an opinion, and I expressed it. Man, I thought that this is what a message board was all about. I had no idea so many of McCoy's relatives posted here. lol (yeah, that's a joke for all of the thin skinned)
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Interesting way to put it - about Colt's relatives. It seems to me Colt stole your girlfriend, wife, mom, car, house, dog, and bank account - they way you incessantly blame him for everything.
Oh, about opinions? Yup, we all have them. 99% of the people on here agree that if a qb is available, we get one. NOT trading away the future to do so. YOU, sir, on the other hand - seem to never fail to blame the qb for anything and everything.
Dude, we get it - you hate Colt for whatever reason. We get it. You post it a hundred times a day.......heck, can't even post in a thread about linemen without you saying they'd be better with a stud qb. Damn, man, it gets old.
And you - honestly - feel that Luck or RG is all we need............well, until called on it - then you say we need more. But, you sure as hell don't let that affect your posts about Colt. You constantly blame him, while holding him up to standards no qb could succeed with.
Hey - where's Cam Newton? Oh, he watched the playoff games on t.v., just like we did.
Where's the great Aaron Rodgers? Cleaning out his locker.
Where's Drew Brees? Same.
Where's the guy from Pittsburgh?
What about Stafford? He won as many playoff games as Colt did, right?
Look - NO ONE has said Colt is the answer - and your constant yapping and harping about Colt being THE problem gets damn old damn quick. And trust me - it's damn old.
And yes, this is a message board. You can say what you want. And yes, it's a message board - and I'll say what I want.
There's a small part of me that wants the Browns to go stir crazy and get Luck.................but that's only because I would love to shove it in your face when we go 4-12 next year with him at qb.
Holes - dude - holes. We have them. Can't fill them with one person.
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And I want to say right up front: Yes, I know you'll assume I'm a Colt apologist - that I'm thinking Colt is the answer.
If and when you say that, you'll look stupid. Because I've never said that, or insinuated that.
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Hey - where's Cam Newton? Oh, he watched the playoff games on t.v., just like we did.
Where's the great Aaron Rodgers? Cleaning out his locker.
Where's Drew Brees? Same.
Where's the guy from Pittsburgh?
LoL, where's Tom Brady? Where's Eli Manning?
Of the five best QBs in football two are in the Conference Championship Games. Four of them played in the 2nd round of the playoffs. All of them played in the playoffs.
Peyton didn't get to play this year, so he doesn't count
PS: I'm not saying I want to draft a QB. My point is this, is there a guy this year who's at those player's caliber (Peyton, Eli, Brady, Brees, Rogers). What will it take to get him?
QB is definitely the most important position. It's much easier to win with one then win without one. But will there be any franchise QB's available to us? That's up to the front office. That's why i'll be okay with Colt if that's the case.
I just hope there's no pressure on them to pick a guy like I feel like there was with Savage and Brady Quinn. We can't just pick a guy just to pick a guy. I want someone we feel good about. You can't good lemonade if you don't have good lemons
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Hey - where's Cam Newton? Oh, he watched the playoff games on t.v., just like we did.
Where's the great Aaron Rodgers? Cleaning out his locker.
Where's Drew Brees? Same.
Where's the guy from Pittsburgh?
LoL, where's Tom Brady? Where's Eli Manning?
Of the five best QBs in football two are in the Conference Championship Games. Four of them played in the 2nd round of the playoffs. All of them played in the playoffs.
Peyton didn't get to play this year, so he doesn't count
And you think - based on months worth of your posts - that all we need is a qb and some 5th round picks and we'll be there.
Please. You know as much, or as little, as I do.
Your constant harping about our qb really sucks.
I hate to say it. Politically, we agree. On almost everything, we agree. But your constant Colt bashing makes me sick. And I'll say it for the 1 thousandth time - I'm not a Colt lover.
But honestly - you need to get over Colt. Replacing him with a "might be", puts us in the same spot we are now.
Hey, did you know there will be a draft in 2013? Honestly - there will. And the dude that many on here think was the best qb pick this year will actually be in the draft next year. Did you know that?
I've got $100 that next year there will be 2 or 3 qb's rated as "can't miss super stars". Just like it's been since forever.
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Your constant harping about our qb really sucks.
I hate to say it. Politically, we agree. On almost everything, we agree. But your constant Colt bashing makes me sick. And I'll say it for the 1 thousandth time - I'm not a Colt lover.
You aware that it's me who posted that?
EDIT: Although I am on board with YTown politically usually. So we got that going for us
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These folks that want RG3 need to realize that he ain't coming to Cleveland and they might as well get their vents out now about it. Listen to Heckert on WKNR's 'Really Big Show' with Tony Rizzo.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=476&f=354141
Thanks for the link Anarchy! I don't know how much more he could say about McCoy being in the position we are in in the draft with the possibilities of like you said trading down. Without saying Colt is our Guy he said enough to make you believe that without saying it. Obviously he doesn't want other teams to believe that or being in the 4 hole with Griffin on the board loses value. If teams think we are taking him they would love for a Washington to go up and get him. Now sitting at 4 if Luck and Griffin and say one of the Top 4 guys (Kalil, Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson) are off the board teams will pay big time to move into our spot to grab the three that are still there or the likelyhood of the guy they really want are there out of those guys. Once again I don't even think Griffin is an option especially after listening to him about McCoy and knowing what most of us can see with what was wrong last year and he eluded to. Heckert will get a nice bunch of package offers and some might include players. I think he will take the best one and move down. Teams I can see that might be calling Could be Miami, Seattle, Dallas, Detroit and possibly Cinci. If Griffin is there and he will be unless someone thinks we are drafting him, Miami and Seattle or Washington will be calling. Now in a perfect world we trade with Washington and move down to 6 picking up extra picks and with Richardson or one of the others left on the board we trade out agin.
I will have to do the breakdown on that, but wow.
Welcome, but I can't take credit. The site has a good setup and it wasn't hard to pluck it out of there.
I also think we could look to be trading down, not only once, but possibly twice and just piling up the picks. And if the compensatory picks that someone posted about is correct, that's just a mound of picks that we could have.
We have 9 now with a possible addition of 3 or 4 compensatory picks and if we get more in a trade-down scenario, it's just insane how many picks we could get. A good number of them will be starters and the others will be bit players or special teamers.
Imagine a scenario where the Browns get 15 picks or more! 
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Your constant harping about our qb really sucks.
I hate to say it. Politically, we agree. On almost everything, we agree. But your constant Colt bashing makes me sick. And I'll say it for the 1 thousandth time - I'm not a Colt lover.
You aware that it's me who posted that?
EDIT: Although I am on board with YTown politically usually. So we got that going for us
Uh..........  .............egg, meat face.
My bad.
But, aside from the fact I misquoted/mis attributed - I'm tired of ytown constantly berating our qb.....
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After listening to that interview it's hard to believe that our QB will be anyone other than Colt McCoy.
That's the feeling that I got too.
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Imagine a scenario where the Browns get 15 picks or more!
My issue with this is............. How are we going to fit all those guys on the team?
I'd rather have less picks and have them higher rounds than 15 picks and have a bunch not get a chance to make the team because our roster rules won't allow it.
We get 15 picks and we'll have a bunch of guys on the practice squad that other teams will pick up and we'll never get to develop. That's why it sucks that we can't trade the comp picks
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Your constant harping about our qb really sucks.
I hate to say it. Politically, we agree. On almost everything, we agree. But your constant Colt bashing makes me sick. And I'll say it for the 1 thousandth time - I'm not a Colt lover.
You aware that it's me who posted that?
EDIT: Although I am on board with YTown politically usually. So we got that going for us
Uh.......... .............egg, meat face.
My bad.
But, aside from the fact I misquoted/mis attributed - I'm tired of ytown constantly berating our qb.....
Egg on face isn't all that bad really,, and I should know LOL
Ytowns point of not believing that McCoy isn't the guy is fine, it's his opinion and he's entitled to it.
The problem I have with his thinking is that he's willing to trade 3 first round picks to move up to get Luck.
Now, let's be real, we aren't going to get that pick away from Indy for anything of reason (short of the next two drafts completely would be my GUESS)
it's the thought that, given our current talent level, that anyone could possibly believe that getting a TOP QB, either from the draft or FA, that instantly, with the same receivers, same RB's, Same Line is just going to turn things around in a heartbeat.
Dallas did it. They got Aikman first., then got thier RB and WR.. but I don't think they had to trade to get him and then the mega trade involving Herschell Walker sure helped them to get over the hump.. we don't have that player to trade.
Having said that, I'll agree that better players anywhere on the team improve the team. At skill positions like Receiver or RB or yes, QB can make a greater impact quicker..
But to give up 3 first round picks.. with all the needs we have.. I just think that's irresponsible.
Now,, let's say we have the RB.. we have the receivers.. and Luck is there and all we gotta do is give up some picks to get him.. NOW I'll agree..
but not as we sit today...
I just don't see it
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Your constant harping about our qb really sucks.
I hate to say it. Politically, we agree. On almost everything, we agree. But your constant Colt bashing makes me sick. And I'll say it for the 1 thousandth time - I'm not a Colt lover.
You aware that it's me who posted that?
EDIT: Although I am on board with YTown politically usually. So we got that going for us
Uh.......... .............egg, meat face.
My bad.
But, aside from the fact I misquoted/mis attributed - I'm tired of ytown constantly berating our qb.....
And i am tired of people berating the rest of the whole damn team (on the offensive side of the ball anyway) in order to defend an ineffective QB.
"Oh if only the WR, TE, RB, and OL was better .... then he'd have a fair chance ......"
BS. The things that make him ineffective have nothing to do with the players around him, and they are not going to get better (to the point of being a playoff caliber QB) with the addition of "better players".
Look at how many OL we went through who went on to play for Super Bowl teams in our early expansion years that we let go because "they sucked". There have been a lot. For some reason, the QB gets this huge pass because "it's not fair to judge him without all of the pieces" ........ Bull. There are still many things you can use to judge a QB's play, regardless of who he plays with. (although maybe the train wreck in St Louis might be somewhat different as the lost most of the starting OL plus their starting and backup WRs)
Anyway ... people can go back to bashing the team to protect the QB. "All those other guys suck ...... but don't you dare criticize the QB. He's exempt." 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Anyway ... people can go back to bashing the team to protect the QB. "All those other guys suck ...... but don't you dare criticize the QB. He's exempt."
Yeah.
That's exactly what I said. 
Your bias against our qb is so blatant and stupid it's sad.
All we need is a qb, right? Don't need anything else, right? (you'll say yes..........until a different thread where you'll say we do need other parts).
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The only thing I will say about the trading 3 first round picks for one guy thing, is every SEEMS to be taking it out of context to a point...
It's not like if we trade for Luck this year, we won't have a First round pick for the next three years...
The fact that we have the extra #1 gives us this advantage.
Trading two ENTIRE drafts? Lets be serious, if Indy has any intention of trading the pick, which is the first thing that would have to happen, they are going to be realistic...
Lets say..
2012 #4
2012 #22
2012 4th Round
2013 1st Round
2013 3rd Round
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2012 #1
2012 5th Round
2013 4th Round
(I'm just saying, bare with me.)
Some people say thats WAY to much and OMG how will we get Luck any help?!?
Well all we're really losing is a #1 next year, Because we still have the #1 this year we picked to get Luck, and Moving around some late round picks...
I don't really care for starting Colt, if we bring anyone in FA, and draft anyone in rounds 1-3 That to mean is the sign the FO has given up on him. IMO.
But if you read anything read this...
The reason I began to ignore ALL QB talk, and started a NON QB Thread, was because of all the bickering... It's getting ridiculous...
If someone else Drafts Luck, and he goes on to multiple Probowls etc, and the guys we draft are good players and go to Probowls...
That doesn't mean people that wanted him are right, or people that didn't are wrong...
There IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG...
10 years from now, looking back on this draft, THERE WILL STILL BE NO RIGHT OR WRONG...
Saying you want this or that to happen, and it happens, doesn't mean you win anything..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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