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Everyone other that maybe Tom Heckert's wife is just guessing as far as our drafting is concerned. But that never stops us...... My guess would be that we don't end up trading up to get anyone. I could see us trading down 2 or 3 spots if the deal is good enough. Other than that I believe we'll stay put and draft whoever is the best player for us when our turn comes around. The only change to this is if someone offers us a "Ditka" deal that blows us away. But who could predict that. Barring a massive brain fart in Berea on draft day I think the majority of us will be happy at the end of the first day. I hope..... 
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jc...
While searching various sources for NFL and Browns news, yesterday afternoon, I came across a poll on cleveland.com. Since the poll was started yesterday morning, I decided to wait until this morning to see what the results looked like... the poll was based on this question..
Cleveland Browns: Should they trade the No. 4 overall pick and more for the No. 2 pick and draft Robert Griffin III?
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I must admit, I'm somewhat shocked at the results.
No. It's not worth giving up so much, when they might be able to draft him with the No. 4 pick anyway. 45.71% (2,548 votes)
No. They should draft another player with their first pick. 45.51% (2,537 votes)
Yes. They have to make sure they get Griffin, because he could be a great quarterback for years. 8.77% (489 votes)
Total Votes: 5,574
It appears that Browns fans have bought in to Heckert's plan to build the team via the draft and they place a high value on those picks...almost 46% not willing to give up multiple picks to draft Griffin.
Then there is another 45.5% who don't want the Browns to draft RGIII, even if he's available.
It would have been easier to understand what these results mean had there been a question with just two choices...draft RGIII or don't draft RGIII. But, it is worth noting that out of 5,574 total votes, only 489 (8.77%) thought the Browns should make sure they draft RGIII.
I'm somewhat surprised that only 8.77% feel the Browns should target Griffin with their first round pick.
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Here's the thing. If our FO feels that Griffin is a franchise-level QB, then they HAVE to assume that an reasonable GM (including the one from say, the Redskins) evaluate him the same way... and if that's the case, they'll have to assume that they'll try to leapfrog us in the draft to get him. It may be true, or it may be not, but I don't think the FO takes that chance if they *really* feel he's the guy.
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Ahhh, good ol' league source. Always stirring the pot. :P
I want to lock in a stud QB as much as the next guy and I love Griffin's potential but the thought of trading up for anyone other than Luck makes me cringe a bit. I mean, if Heckert thinks he's our guy, I could stomach dealing an extra pick to lock him up but I really don't think we'll need to.
Everyone is saying how St. Louis is in the driver's seat... but would they even take advantage? Let's say they want one of Kalil/Blackmon/Claiborne. Even if Washington doesn't sign Flynn (which I believe is a very strong possibility), trading down to #6 would definitely cost them Kalil and likely Blackmon and Claiborne as well. Any team after that and the odds get even worse. I think it's just as likely that they take their guy at #2 and so does Minny at #3 as it is for one of them to trade down.
The only question is, would we have the guts to watch it unfold if RGIII truly is our guy?
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Ahhh, good ol' league source. Always stirring the pot. :P
I want to lock in a stud QB as much as the next guy and I love Griffin's potential but the thought of trading up for anyone other than Luck makes me cringe a bit. I mean, if Heckert thinks he's our guy, I could stomach dealing an extra pick to lock him up but I really don't think we'll need to.
Everyone is saying how St. Louis is in the driver's seat... but would they even take advantage? Let's say they want one of Kalil/Blackmon/Claiborne. Even if Washington doesn't sign Flynn (which I believe is a very strong possibility), trading down to #6 would definitely cost them Kalil and likely Blackmon and Claiborne as well. Any team after that and the odds get even worse. I think it's just as likely that they take their guy at #2 and so does Minny at #3 as it is for one of them to trade down.
The only question is, would we have the guts to watch it unfold if RGIII truly is our guy?
I don't know if Griffin is their guy, but if he is and they don't trade up, I know it would be a gut-wrenching feeling for them if he ended up going 2 or 3. Us fans won't ever know though and they will say that whoever we got at #4 was the guy all along.
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jc...
While searching various sources for NFL and Browns news, yesterday afternoon, I came across a poll on cleveland.com. Since the poll was started yesterday morning, I decided to wait until this morning to see what the results looked like... the poll was based on this question..
Cleveland Browns: Should they trade the No. 4 overall pick and more for the No. 2 pick and draft Robert Griffin III?
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I must admit, I'm somewhat shocked at the results.
No. It's not worth giving up so much, when they might be able to draft him with the No. 4 pick anyway. 45.71% (2,548 votes)
No. They should draft another player with their first pick. 45.51% (2,537 votes)
Yes. They have to make sure they get Griffin, because he could be a great quarterback for years. 8.77% (489 votes)
Total Votes: 5,574
It appears that Browns fans have bought in to Heckert's plan to build the team via the draft and they place a high value on those picks...almost 46% not willing to give up multiple picks to draft Griffin.
Then there is another 45.5% who don't want the Browns to draft RGIII, even if he's available.
It would have been easier to understand what these results mean had there been a question with just two choices...draft RGIII or don't draft RGIII. But, it is worth noting that out of 5,574 total votes, only 489 (8.77%) thought the Browns should make sure they draft RGIII.
I'm somewhat surprised that only 8.77% feel the Browns should target Griffin with their first round pick.
...for what it's worth
It restores my faith in knowledgable Browns fans. Somewhere I can see a certain few posters trying to vote over and over again to flip the script. I also came across a poll yesterday(I forget where) and it asked who should be the QB for the Browns next year and I believe it was in the high 70's for McCoy. Which also restored my faith and trust in Browns fan. I think most see the plan and understand and have learned by now. There will always be time to get a QB right now it is time to build the team and see what we have in the QB. Much easier to plug any QB into a solid team established in a sysyem then the other way around. We've seen it enough times. I think most understand that trading away picks(especially for Griffin  ) for an unproven QB could set this team back at a point when we can turn a corner or prevent us from getting to the corner to turn.
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Ah, that must be why we haven't had one in 20 years. A franchise QB should be priority number 1. If you don't have one, draft one if he's there.
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Ah, that must be why we haven't had one in 20 years. A franchise QB should be priority number 1. If you don't have one, draft one if he's there.
Ah, but we have tried so lets take a different approach for once. Drafting two first round QB's in a 10 year span and doing it again for a third time isn't going to make him a franchise QB. The only way that holds true is if you believe in the third time is the charm theory. 
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I'm somewhat surprised that only 8.77% feel the Browns should target Griffin with their first round pick.
That's actually a good sign since the public is pure fade material.....if over 90% agree NOT to get Griffin, then I want him even more now 
I would trade both our 1st rounders to get him at 2 and never look back...that's after talking to Indy for Luck...at least try
Guys, the "stars alignement" of having a top 5 pick to go along with another 1st and multiple mid/late rounders to compensate a possible uptrade AND 2 QB prospects that compare to Manning and Vick is once in maybe 20 years for ANY franchise....and the Browns have one of the worst QB situations around the league
Fixing the QB position is more about timing and luck and not "building"...NOW is that time for the Browns...drafting a QB is always a risk but it's one you have to take eventually...the entire AFC North took a top 50 QB....we took a shot with Quinn and failed...so what? Whine and never draft another QB high? That's dumb since the numbers of success are clear on this....we gotta keep trying...and how about we draft a QB with our FIRST pick and not the 2nd or 3rd/4th ? High value positions you GOTTA draft high...that's the way it is...and this is the offseason we have to pull it off if we're serious about trying to fix this QB mess we have to stomach every season
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even if our FO decides that RGIII is the guy to get, not sure why we'd have to give up #22.
#4 + #37 >> #6 + #39
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Joker - I agree. The question though is: Is RGIII that guy? I don't know he answer. I hope Heckert does.
Loyal - A great QB makes everybody better. As for your "We have tried this twice and failed" theory. Technically yes, but I dismiss Couch. I think he could have been a really good Qb had the plan to play Detmer year one lasted longer than a half of a game. As an expansion team this was just dumb. As for Quinn, he was a product of the hype. At least in my opinion. I was never a fan of drafting him. This failed because Savage was wrong about Quinn. Is RGIII the real thing or a product of the hype? I don't know. I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion that I could argue with any degree of certainty. My thoughts on RGIII are that he could be quite successful in the right offense. And I am a big advocate of having players and systems match up. I have my doubts that he is an optimal fit for our offense. But I am not sure.
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I see you decipher poll results about the same way you understand posts.
Yes,8% said they didn't want RG3,but 45% said they didn't want to trade up for him,not that they didn't want him.
It's a certainty that many of those 45%ers would love to have him at 4.
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I see you decipher poll results about the same way you understand posts.
Yes,8% said they didn't want RG3,but 45% said they didn't want to trade up for him,not that they didn't want him.
It's a certainty that many of those 45%ers would love to have him at 4.
Trust me - sticking up for mac is about the last thing I'd imagine myself doing - but I don't get your post.
He pointed out the poll results. What did he, or I, miss?
some 8% think "do anything to get him".
45% said giving up picks to get him was too much.
45% said draft someone else, regardless.
Sure, if he's there at # 4, some - maybe most - of the 45% that said giving up picks to get him was too much might change their mind - but that wasn't the question.
What did he miss? What am I missing?
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Yes that is true but if you watched the Green Bay game you can see how pressure in the face and dropped passes make even the best look average. Or if you look at Bradford and see that the Ram are drafting ahead of us and Bradford didn't make anyone better because the system or the players. We don't know If Bradford is that great QB you talk about yet. I would think that common sense reasoning would say that ST Louis has to give him some weapons and protection before we can say one way or the other. The same case should be applied here, and giving away picks for an unknown is the fastest way to set your team back and to draft a QB without giving him time and weapons is the surest way to ruin him.
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Yes that is true but if you watched the Green Bay game you can see how pressure in the face and dropped passes make even the best look average.
I'm sorry,, But that's impossible.. A better QB makes everyone better except where it doesn't. A better QB makes receivers catch balls that they would ahve dropped with a different QB... right? 
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I would trade both our 1st rounders to get him at 2 and never look back...that's after talking to Indy for Luck...at least try
Guys, the "stars alignement" of having a top 5 pick to go along with another 1st and multiple mid/late rounders to compensate a possible uptrade AND 2 QB prospects that compare to Manning and Vick is once in maybe 20 years for ANY franchise....and the Browns have one of the worst QB situations around the league
What exactly has Vick won? So, after all of your complaining about having to have a franchise QB to win a superbowl, you compare the guy you want us to take to Vick, who has won exactly jack and squat in his career.
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What exactly has Vick won? So, after all of your complaining about having to have a franchise QB to win a superbowl, you compare the guy you want us to take to Vick, who has won exactly jack and squat in his career.
53-37-1 as a starter in the NFL (only 1 season under .500 and that was 7-9 in 2006). Probowls in 2002, 2004, 2005, 2010. He is only 2-4 in the playoffs getting the the NFC championship game once.
got VaTech into the championship game in college (the completely unheralded VaTech until he got there. also, they have been unable to return to that game since he left).
Can you imagine saying that about a Browns QB from the past 12 years? I would certainly take that in the next 12. Sometimes fans come off a bit entitled.
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Yes that is true but if you watched the Green Bay game you can see how pressure in the face and dropped passes make even the best look average.
I'm sorry,, But that's impossible.. A better QB makes everyone better except where it doesn't. A better QB makes receivers catch balls that they would ahve dropped with a different QB... right?
I sure am glad you catch the things I write..Yep Rogers makes everyone around him better except when they stop making him look better..Is that like an oxymoron or something? Some get it and some just don't..
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I don't feel a bit entitled.. I feel a LOT entitled. I don't want to get into the playoffs once in a while or even regularly, I don't want to be competitive and close, I don't want to watch any more ESPN Classics of the Browns losing an important game.. I want to win a freakin' super bowl and after pouring close to 4 decades into this team, I feel extremely entitled to see that happen. 
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So why are you holding out any hope for Colt McCoy then?...you just wrote down his best case...and that's IF 10 coin tosses go all his way
and just to stay on topic: RG 3 is a MUCH better passer (better accuracy, more brains) then Vick when he was getting drafted
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I would trade both our 1st rounders to get him at 2 and never look back...that's after talking to Indy for Luck...at least try
Guys, the "stars alignement" of having a top 5 pick to go along with another 1st and multiple mid/late rounders to compensate a possible uptrade AND 2 QB prospects that compare to Manning and Vick is once in maybe 20 years for ANY franchise....and the Browns have one of the worst QB situations around the league
What exactly has Vick won? So, after all of your complaining about having to have a franchise QB to win a superbowl, you compare the guy you want us to take to Vick, who has won exactly jack and squat in his career.
Sorry, I had to chuckle!
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Because as of now, he is the QB for the Cleveland Browns.. if such a time comes that he is not, then I will have the same hope for his replacement.
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I realize that you feel 100% certain in that conviction.. however for 6 years, nobody ever envisioned Alex Smith in the NFC championship game because he outdueled Drew Brees late in the 4th quarter.. nobody ever envisioned Tom Brady being.. well, Tom Brady.. nobody envisioned Matt Flynn breaking yardage and TD records in one of his first starts in GB against the Lions.... Strange things happen so as long as he's on our roster, I will hold out hope that he has greatness in him waiting for the right chance to come out and to some extent, that will lead me to defend him.
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Correct.
Some people treat this like 5 yr. olds treat Christmas presents. "I want, I want, I want........I gotta have this latest and greatest......."
1 week after Christmas, that toy is thrown in the closet and forgotten about.
The Browns will NOT be a playoff contender year in and year out just because of a q.b. Sorry folks, put aside your dreams - won't happen.
IF, and that's IF, a qb is there at 4, take him. If it requires trading our first rounders plus - skip it. Fill some of the other holes.
If Colt isn't the guy, we can get a qb next year, or the year after. After all, EVERY single year there is a "can't miss" qb, right? Well, at least that's what we hear every year.
Anyone hear about giving a qb time - giving a team time? It's amazing what that can do for a team.
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Yep. I agree. He is my preferred choice at 4, and maybe even if we have to trade up to 2 to get him. I feel that he is the one player who could have the biggest potential impact on this team.
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Long term I think so but I expect RG to struggle his rookie year and look much worse than Luck....he won't put up Newton numbers as he will have to learn to rely solely on his passing....RG can't take off as much as Newton or Vick...he doesn't have the body to take the hits and would miss games. HE would be more productive for sure his rookie year but long term it'd be the better decision to restrict him to being a pocket passer only....he has to become a pocket QB with some occasional scramble runs
Walterfootball has a good comp imho: Steve McNair
I still hold out any final judgement on RG on his real height though...he has to be close to those 6'2 he's listed at right now...anything under 6'1 would be a red flag to invest a top 5 pick on imho....right now he's mostly a 1 read and then tuck it guy...all that from the shotgun....he will be asked to play under C, drop back and go through progressions...if he's 6'1 or smaller I expect his field vision to suffer since he's closer to the OL in a Pro Offense
Why I like him and am willing to roll the dice on this project? 2 BIG reasons....1) pocket awareness with eyes still downfield, that's stuff that can't be teached and 1 of the main reasons Colt will fail to remain a starting QB in this league..RG "feels" the pocket and moves accordingly whereas Colt takes his eyes off and kind of freezes up watching the defenders coming at him...it's pretty much the main reason I gave up on him so quickly as I don't know any even decent QB who has thsi "habit"...it's a career killer...2) quick release....in a league where every nanosecond counts this is huge too...his "quick release to arm strength"-ratio is out of this world, he's elite at the NFL level the moment he steps onto the field....
That's the main reason I'm willing to invest higher picks AND more time than Colt....this dude has stuff that is well above AVG already, Colt otoh has no plus trait...even after 20 starts
That's where "upside" kicks in....if Colt develops all of his shortcomings as best as he can, he'll be AVG....if RG develops half of them, he's probably already above AVG because he has elite stuff mixed in....like pitchers in baseball....dudes who have stuff like Masterson are considered front of the rotation SPs, whereas a guy like Tomlin (who I was a big fan of going through the minors) has practically no margin for error and will always be a middle/bottom rotation guy because he barely throws 90mph and just doesn't have any stuff...you will see MLB teams be much more patient with the Mastersons whereas the Tomlins get shuffled around repeatedly...and why not? after all there are more of them too....there are simply more McCoys out there than Vick's or RG's....that's reality....supply-demand-risk-reward
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I look at some of the pictures of Luck and RG3 at the Heisman presentation, and they look to be almost the same height. In this picture, Luck looks a bit taller, but both he and Griffin are close to the same height at shoulder height, and it looks like Griffin has his head tilted slightly.  Richardson is on the right, and he is listed at 5'11". Monte Ball, next, is also listed as 5'11". Tyrann Mathieu is listed at 5'9". Andrew Luck is listed as 6'4". Looking at this, I think that RG3 is going to come in at 6'2" or so, if the other guys are somewhat accurate. That's just my best guess.
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Richardson is on the right, and he is listed at 5'11". Monte Ball, next, is also listed as 5'11". Tyrann Mathieu is listed at 5'9". Andrew Luck is listed as 6'4". Looking at this, I think that RG3 is going to come in at 6'2" or so, if the other guys are somewhat accurate.
That's just my best guess.
If that's the case I'm guessing Luck goes 6'3 and Griffin goes 6'1 because there is definately 2 inches there and that's with that hair.
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Long term I think so but I expect RG to struggle his rookie year and look much worse than Luck....he won't put up Newton numbers as he will have to learn to rely solely on his passing....RG can't take off as much as Newton or Vick...he doesn't have the body to take the hits and would miss games. HE would be more productive for sure his rookie year but long term it'd be the better decision to restrict him to being a pocket passer only....he has to become a pocket QB with some occasional scramble runs
Walterfootball has a good comp imho: Steve McNair
I still hold out any final judgement on RG on his real height though...he has to be close to those 6'2 he's listed at right now...anything under 6'1 would be a red flag to invest a top 5 pick on imho....right now he's mostly a 1 read and then tuck it guy...all that from the shotgun....he will be asked to play under C, drop back and go through progressions...if he's 6'1 or smaller I expect his field vision to suffer since he's closer to the OL in a Pro Offense
Why I like him and am willing to roll the dice on this project? 2 BIG reasons....1) pocket awareness with eyes still downfield, that's stuff that can't be teached and 1 of the main reasons Colt will fail to remain a starting QB in this league..RG "feels" the pocket and moves accordingly whereas Colt takes his eyes off and kind of freezes up watching the defenders coming at him...it's pretty much the main reason I gave up on him so quickly as I don't know any even decent QB who has thsi "habit"...it's a career killer...2) quick release....in a league where every nanosecond counts this is huge too...his "quick release to arm strength"-ratio is out of this world, he's elite at the NFL level the moment he steps onto the field....
That's the main reason I'm willing to invest higher picks AND more time than Colt....this dude has stuff that is well above AVG already, Colt otoh has no plus trait...even after 20 starts
That's where "upside" kicks in....if Colt develops all of his shortcomings as best as he can, he'll be AVG....if RG develops half of them, he's probably already above AVG because he has elite stuff mixed in....like pitchers in baseball....dudes who have stuff like Masterson are considered front of the rotation SPs, whereas a guy like Tomlin (who I was a big fan of going through the minors) has practically no margin for error and will always be a middle/bottom rotation guy because he barely throws 90mph and just doesn't have any stuff...you will see MLB teams be much more patient with the Mastersons whereas the Tomlins get shuffled around repeatedly...and why not? after all there are more of them too....there are simply more McCoys out there than Vick's or RG's....that's reality....supply-demand-risk-reward JMHO
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The man love on here for Griffin brings me back to the days of Quinn. I bet if you go back to those threads you will see relatively the same posters saying the same things..already at NFL Elite status once he gets on the field..get the heck out of here!! Brother..some of you have a complex about new QB's and draft eligable QB's, I swear! I just read the crap and you would think they were discussing Johny Unitas..
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Griffin is wearing 6 inch spikes and lace under all that.
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Griffin is wearing 6 inch spikes
I knew he wasn't a true 6 footer...
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Honestly? Now we are judging photographs to determine height?
6' 1" or 6' 2"........does it matter?
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The man love on here for Griffin brings me back to the days of Quinn. I bet if you go back to those threads you will see relatively the same posters saying the same things..already at NFL Elite status once he gets on the field..get the heck out of here!! Brother..some of you have a complex about new QB's and draft eligable QB's, I swear! I just read the crap and you would think they were discussing Johny Unitas..
1) Yeah, no one is saying that he'll be NFL elite once he gets on the field.
2) You were in love with Derek Anderson. Sorry, but if we are talking about man love, you should not be talking.
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1) Yeah, no one is saying that he'll be NFL elite once he gets on the field.
2) You were in love with Derek Anderson. Sorry, but if we are talking about man love, you should not be talking.
No I knew that Derek Anderson Was better than Quinn and I still don't think I was wrong. Anderson has at least accomplished something in this league. So essentially I was right. They both suck but Anderson sucks less but then he sucked more because he at least had another opportunity on the football field to suck more.
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...perhaps people feel that longer term (2-3 years) RGIII woiuld be a much better QB then McCoy.... to compare people who like RGIII to people to those that liked Quinn, I find odd and non-sensical. What if people who like RGIII liked Big Ben or Matt Ryan or Cam Newton or Eli Manning coming out????
It's people's opinion, I get you don't agree but at least give your opinion of why you don't like him and move on
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even if our FO decides that RGIII is the guy to get, not sure why we'd have to give up #22.
#4 + #37 >> #6 + #39
If it worked out that way.
Most think Washington is going to offer next years 1st rounder .
I'd like it if we could not trade the other #1, but I am pretty sure that will have to happen.
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Long term I think so but I expect RG to struggle his rookie year and look much worse than Luck....he won't put up Newton numbers as he will have to learn to rely solely on his passing....RG can't take off as much as Newton or Vick...he doesn't have the body to take the hits and would miss games. HE would be more productive for sure his rookie year but long term it'd be the better decision to restrict him to being a pocket passer only....he has to become a pocket QB with some occasional scramble runs
That does NOT sound like a #4 overall prospect...let alone a prospect equal to the #4 and #22 overall.
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even if our FO decides that RGIII is the guy to get, not sure why we'd have to give up #22.
#4 + #37 >> #6 + #39
If it worked out that way.
Most think Washington is going to offer next years 1st rounder .
I'd like it if we could not trade the other #1, but I am pretty sure that will have to happen.
This.
It's about having an offer better than what the other guys are offering for the pick. No one is going to agree to a lesser offer just because the chart deems it fair.
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even if our FO decides that RGIII is the guy to get, not sure why we'd have to give up #22.
#4 + #37 >> #6 + #39
If it worked out that way.
Most think Washington is going to offer next years 1st rounder .
I'd like it if we could not trade the other #1, but I am pretty sure that will have to happen.
This.
It's about having an offer better than what the other guys are offering for the pick. No one is going to agree to a lesser offer just because the chart deems it fair.
I'm still convinced that the chart is nothing more than a guideine... as always, the price of anything is set by what someone will pay for it.
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I see you decipher poll results about the same way you understand posts.
Yes,8% said they didn't want RG3,but 45% said they didn't want to trade up for him,not that they didn't want him.
It's a certainty that many of those 45%ers would love to have him at 4.
bcb...I must admit, it is difficult to understand some posts at times. Most of the time, the author of a post knows what they are trying to say and I must admit, I'm not good at mind reading.
That said, did you read my post?...all of it?
For the most part, I was simply passing on the results, but I did make one comment about the poll...
" It would have been easier to understand what these results mean had there been a question with just two choices...draft RGIII or don't draft RGIII."
Also, the question being asked in the poll was ...
"Should they trade the No. 4 overall pick and more for the No. 2 pick and draft Robert Griffin III?"
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