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I could care less what he thinks of Lerner, he just didn't need to try to push Browns fans' buttons by ripping the franchise in general. Of course I took the bait and got my buttons pushed . . . 
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Just a general reply here: Down in the comments section of this story about Phil Dawson, John Kroll of the Plain Dealer replied (numerous, numerous, numerous times) http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/01/phil_dawson_deserves_to_get_pa.htmlJohn Kroll, The Plain Dealer January 25, 2012 at 6:58PM Follow From the editors: Managing Editor Thom Fladung has now replied, in another post, to commenters' questions: "Tony Grossi has not been fired. He will no longer be covering the Browns."
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What the H is up w/ Florio's last sentence??? I always went easy on the guy w/ so many others hating on him and PFT, but come ON . . . 
I guess all I can say is "jealousy".
Who cares if he's a millionaire, a billionaire, a trillionaire, or a hundredaire? Honestly - does his money matter?
Florio makes himself look like an idiot.
Hoping he gets fired too.
Considering Florio owns PFT and often expresses his opinions, this seems unlikely.
And he shouldn't be. Florio isn't in a position where he is to provide unbiased news, unlike Grossi. Grossi's opinions and statement compromised his position in covering the Browns, so he had to be removed. Florio is in an entirely different position.
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Hey Tony...Hows it feel to be the beat reporter for the Steelers..?
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Grossi can also be quite an ass on Twitter
He can be a ass in person as well.
I wonder how much of his over sized ego has now been deflated?
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From clevescene.com, the Plain Dealer acted alone and without pressure from the Browns or Lerner.
Sources: Tony Grossi Pulled from Browns Beat Over Randy Lerner Tweet (Updated)
Updated: For those saying that Randy Lerner called for Tony Grossi to be moved off the beat, here's an update. Sources tell Scene that, "Randy Lerner and the Browns had zero to do with it. The Plain Dealer acted independently." They never asked the Browns' opinion. They acted internally.
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Just clicking It appears that Mary Kay Cabot is replacing Grossi or at least sitting in for him on the PD show http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/01/watch_pd_sports_insider_talk_b.htmlI'm watching it now..
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do you notice the guy behind them on the balcony... I was wondering if that was Grossi...and he's getting ready to jump...
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do you notice the guy behind them on the balcony... I was wondering if that was Grossi...and he's getting ready to jump...
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do you notice the guy behind them on the balcony... I was wondering if that was Grossi...and he's getting ready to jump...
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Are you related to Grossi or something? You seem pretty upset that he got canned for his own ignorance. Grossi has been a ego maniac, and finally got what is coming to him.
Nope, not related to Tony or anyone at the PD. Not all that upset, either. He's a big boy and he'll be alright.
What I don't like are the assinine, bordering on moronic, statements that people make on here about the Cleveland reporters. I used to live in DC and now I live in small town Ohio, so I have read "big time" reporters and I have read not so big time reporters. As sports reporting goes the Cleveland group is not bad by any stretch of the imagination.
At least not to the open minded. But most the minds on here (and I use that term very loosely in many instances) are like a steel trap....that is rusted shut. A reporter couldn't get a new thought into the brains of most of the regulars on here with a crowbar and a gallon of WD-40.
Everyone moans and groans about Tony and Mary Kay and the rest but keep wishing and you'll end up with some of the low hanging fruit that blogs or writes for Yahoo.
Do I like Tony's writing? Yep. I enjoy most of his appearances on STO as well. I think he and Dieken and Jim Donovan make a good trio for a local sports show.
Oh, and one last thing......Anyone who thinks that A). Randy Lerner didn't call the PD and influence their decision or B). That the PD would admit it if he did, just isn't operating in the real world.
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I think he and Dieken and Jim Donovan make a good trio for a local sports show.
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Oh, and one last thing......Anyone who thinks that A). Randy Lerner didn't call the PD and influence their decision or B). That the PD would admit it if he did, just isn't operating in the real world.
First off, you about done insulting everyone? Who gives a flip where you lived or who you've read? I guess since you read the Washington paper(s) I should bow to your wisdom, lol.
As to the highlighted quote, it's just ignorant thinking. The Browns and Lerner said they didn't contact the PD. The PD said the Browns didn't contact them and it was an internal decision - who in the hell are you to say I'm not operating in the real world because I or anyone else happen to believe both parties? Their's no way to prove otherwise apparently so I'm choosing to move on with my life.
Randy Lerner clearly has a lot of people that think he's pathetic - I'm not one of them. Randy Lerner could sell the team tomorrow to Joe Schmo who could hire D5 high school coaches to coach and build the team, the team would then lose for the next 36 years and it would still be Lerner's fault in some people's eyes.
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Like I said, if your standards are so low as to appriciate Grossi,, have at it.
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Otto Please give me an honest opinion. Do I have a open mind?
I think Grossi is a honest to goodness .butthole, Do you agree with me or not?
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I can't believe that a thread about a freaking reporter has gone on for five pages.
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Do I feel bad for him, yeah, he made a mistake and will pay for it by losing the job he did for 20+ years. Maybe it will turn out well for him in the end but as a human being I have some degree of sympathy.
I think Grossi is decent at what he did and what I think some people have a problem with is that he was a journalist who sometimes acted like a columnist and yes, he was a bit cocky/arrogant in his blogs/Q&A's but mostly I think he was trying to be funny/smart arse.
Best of luck to him and hopefully the misery of not having to report on the Browns will allow him to achieve some happiness.
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Oh, and one last thing......Anyone who thinks that A). Randy Lerner didn't call the PD and influence their decision or B). That the PD would admit it if he did, just isn't operating in the real world.
As to the highlighted quote, it's just ignorant thinking. The Browns and Lerner said they didn't contact the PD. The PD said the Browns didn't contact them and it was an internal decision - who in the hell are you to say I'm not operating in the real world because I or anyone else happen to believe both parties? Their's no way to prove otherwise apparently so I'm choosing to move on with my life.
I think it's funny that he accuses everybody else of having a mind like a steel trap that you couldn't get open to accept a new idea with a crowbar and a gallon of WD 40... then he says Randy and the newspaper are both lying no matter what they say and he knows the truth because.. well just because he does.
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No insider info here, but I think its pretty naive to think there was no contact between the Browns and the Plain Dealer.
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No insider info here, but I think its pretty naive to think there was no contact between the Browns and the Plain Dealer.
I don't think the Browns needed to say ANYTHING for the PD to realize how the comments would be perceived inside the organization.
In fact, in a world of leaking information, the last thing the Browns probably wanted was a leak that they contacted the PD and asked them to reprimand a reporter or fire one because he said mean things about the owner..
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I was about to say the same thing, thanks for saving me time since I'm in a hurry to run out the door! 
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In the circles these people move in, there can be contact through back channels between intermediaries that gives both parties deniability. For example, the publisher of The Plain Dealer, Terrance Egger, and Randy's mother, Norma Lerner, both sit on Boards of Trustees or Boards of Directors for The Cleveland Clinic, The Cleveland Orchestra, The Greater Cleveland Partnership, and (I'd bet) there are others. I'm not trying to go all "cloak and daggers" about this, or make mountains out of molehills ... but I'll say again - its naive to believe there was no contact between these two organizations - initiated by whomever, however - that preceded Grossi's removal from the beat.
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Dave, I think you are really reaching here.
Let's be totally honest, whether you come down on Grossis side of this or the PD's side of things.. it's pretty clear that Grossi is perfectly free to think what he wants, but to put it out there on the net like that on Twitter, is really stupid.
I mean, it's my guess that it was an honest mistake by Grossi.. But what it demonstrated was a bias.
he doesn't think much of Lerner so you know it's tainting his view of things..
That right there is the crux of the matter.. His reporting can never be judged as fair again.. the cat is out of the bag.
So, if I'm the PD,, I know the Browns are probably going to snub Grossi.. I know he's probably persona non grata in berea..
which means I'm (the pd) not going to get access to the info..
The smart thing is to remove him, NOT because of any reason other than the PD had a need to report and if access is cut off for thier primary beat writer, then they need a new beat writer
So,, NOT EVEN for one second do I think that the Browns or Lerner would care what happens to Grossi... They just cut off his access in the building,,, and that's the end fo the story.. They don't need to get him removed....
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If they thought his mis-tweeted opinion compromised his ability to cover the Browns, why did it take a week to remove him from the beat? It should have been apparent from the get-go, if thats what they really thought. To me, that indicates outside influence.
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If they thought his mis-tweeted opinion compromised his ability to cover the Browns, why did it take a week to remove him from the beat? It should have been apparent from the get-go, if thats what they really thought. To me, that indicates outside influence.
it didn't though. the next day there were stories about Grossi being pulled into upper-level offices and getting yelled at. from there, they likely had to go through contracts, etc. to see what type of disciplinary action they had at their disposal.
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I know a lot of you don't have a high opinion of Channel 19 news and sports. Yesterday 4 pm news show they talked with Mike Trisono about Grossi being pulled from being the beat reporter for the Browns. During the discussion it was said Randy had no say in the pulling of Grossi from being the beat reporter of the Browns.
Right after that news segemnt Denise Divallo mentioned it was the "second time" that Grossi had been pulled from being the Brown's beat reporter. No mention for the cause of the first time.
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If they thought his mis-tweeted opinion compromised his ability to cover the Browns, why did it take a week to remove him from the beat? It should have been apparent from the get-go, if thats what they really thought. To me, that indicates outside influence.
First, I don't think it took a week. But if it did, the PD was doing what any employer should do.. investigate then take the steps you deem necessary.
Grossi is a very long time employee. Any decent/reasonable employer wouldn't just walk in and say,, your gone.. They do thier due dilegence, make a determination, take appropriate action.
I doubt they would move quickly, just to satisfy you.... That's just not how it works in the "NON-Madden" World.
Too many legal problems could arise from "UNTHOUGHT OUT" actions and there is no way they are gonna do something like that without making damn sure thier butts are covered..
As for the timing.,, I first heard of this on Thursday the 18th. I believe the actual Tweet took place on Tuesday the 17th. I've not been able to confim that. it was reported on Thursday in the Cleveland Scene Magizine that Grossi was Pulled.. How do you figure it took a week? Unless my math is totally off, that's 2 days?
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Tony Grossi basically tweeted what alot of Browns fans think and want to say in regards to Lerner.
he never bothered me as a beat reporter..what he saw on the field and front office,he put on paper.
I think he did a credible job on STO with Dieken and Rutigliano and Knott
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His tweet was Tuesday, the 17th and, unless I'm mistaken, he was removed from the Browns beat on Tuesday, the 24th.
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I really don't understand what everyone's problem is with Lerner anyway and that is where I think the Media over time has formed the opinion of Brown's Fans with their own. This goes back to them giving Grossi some fake scoop on a draft or something like that and the Mum out of Berea attitude that has been consistent since expansion. Grossi wanted it all on a platter and that wasn't happening.
He spent most of his time writing opinion based articles because they either didn't trust him or knew about his displeasure for Lerner and Brown's Management.
Lerner Contributes more to this City than Grossi ever has. He recently moved back here from New York where his kids are with his ex wife. He is a Billionaire Owner who know's his place is by cutting Checks and not Football Decisions. Maybe some would prefer a Jerry Jones or Al Davis type owner but I sure wouldn't. I think he got it right this time and we are headed in the right direction and we should get more quality and information from the PD about the Brown's and out of Berea just by replacing the Vendetta driven Grossi.
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He spent most of his time writing opinion based articles because they either didn't trust him or knew about his displeasure for Lerner and Brown's Management.
I think this is the crux of the situation. In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with him writing opinion articles and tweets criticizing the Browns org. When done in context with being the head beat writer for the local paper, everything is wrong with it.
The beat writer should be reporting objective facts and expounding upon them, not writing op. ed. pieces. Grossi was a walking witch hunt from the time Learner bought the team. That is not what beat reporting is about.
I thought he did a fine job on STO, and should keep that job. I think he would do fine as a columnist writing opinion based articles about the Browns. He should not be in a position where the most important part of his job is to report facts, as he has shown that he is either unwilling or unable to do so.
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Tony Grossi basically tweeted what alot of Browns fans think and want to say in regards to Lerner.
he never bothered me as a beat reporter..what he saw on the field and front office,he put on paper.
I think he did a credible job on STO with Dieken and Rutigliano and Knott
Yeah,, Browns fans know so freakin much....LOL
Seriously, I doesn't matter. it was no appropriate.. No matter how you slice it, no matter how you try and justify it..
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His tweet was Tuesday, the 17th and, unless I'm mistaken, he was removed from the Browns beat on Tuesday, the 24th.
Kinda right, it was reported on the 24th but he was removed the day before.. Either way,, it was a week.. OK
I said I couldn't verify it right?
Anyway the rest of what I said I'm standing by..
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Tony Grossi basically tweeted what alot of Browns fans think and want to say in regards to Lerner.
he never bothered me as a beat reporter..what he saw on the field and front office,he put on paper.
I think he did a credible job on STO with Dieken and Rutigliano and Knott
Yeah,, Browns fans know so freakin much....LOL
Seriously, I doesn't matter. it was no appropriate.. No matter how you slice it, no matter how you try and justify it..
Most Brown's fans don't know why they think that either. Those opinions were formed by reading bias articles and an unsubstantiated stance from bitter local media sources.
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[Lerner] recently moved back here from New York where his kids are with his ex wife.
If his kids are in New York then it must get pretty expensive shuttling his son back and forth to St. Ignatius every day.
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Yeah, you would think..lol I know his kids go to Ignatius. Does he have little kids too. I was reading somewhere that said he's got kids that live with his ex Lara(?) also. Plus he travels a lot and I believe he has his Mom with him at the"Residence". I would guess that he has hired help raising his kids for when he is flying to New York and England.
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Tony Grossi basically tweeted what alot of Browns fans think and want to say in regards to Lerner.
he never bothered me as a beat reporter..what he saw on the field and front office,he put on paper.
I think he did a credible job on STO with Dieken and Rutigliano and Knott
Yeah,, Browns fans know so freakin much....LOL
Seriously, I doesn't matter. it was no appropriate.. No matter how you slice it, no matter how you try and justify it..
Most Brown's fans don't know why they think that either. Those opinions were formed by reading bias articles and an unsubstantiated stance from bitter local media sources.
Some folks just need someone to blame.. if you wanna know how this stuff starts, look at the media.. Then the fans pick it up and the next thing you know... it's perceived to be truth... that's when the justification process begins....
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