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And I thought the offense couldn't get any worse........

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Childress has spoken out, back in 2006 when he defended taking Jackson, that he preferred QBs with big arms that were mobile. The guys you listed were suppose to be the smart veteran type while Jackson became the unquestioned starter. That obviously didnt happen. Favre was an obvious choice, mobility or not given he spent decades in that system.

If Childress gets a shot at drafting his Qb of the future, its going to be a strong armed QB who is mobile. That is what he has said in previous drafts.

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I can't see Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmer asking Childress who he want's at QB. I think they will ask what he might think of someone, but that is just a common courtesy. lol

well, then we are doomed.. Cause it hasn't worked out for him thus far LOL

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This has me a bit worried. He sucked as a Head coach.
I guess its ok... I dont know much about him.
I know who he is just dont know the specifics about him.

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The league is filled with great coordinators who failed badly as head coaches. The experiences make them better.

I view this as a goods move.

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I agree Toad...Although if you read the comments on this article on PFT, we are a laughing running joke on there. Plus Florio is peeved at the firing of Grossi so he took a few day old story and started it out as "The factory of Sadnees" with a quote from a guy from the PD taking a shot at the Browns.. But yes, a good move!

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Yeah, Loyal, Florio has made this thing with Grossi into his own personal punching bag. He's vilifying Lerner and it's terribly unjust. He's convinced that the Browns had something to do with the firing. I'm convinced that by saying nothing, they've said all they needed to say, and I couldn't think of a better response than to say absolutely that.

As for their take on Chilly, they can bash him as a head coach until the cows come home (wait, haven't the cows actually been outsourced to India?!) and they'd be 100% correct. However, as a coordinator, he was a success. Instead of separating out the two, they are lumping him in to one singular category, which is failed logic. Further muddying the waters is whether or not he called plays.

Depending on how this plays out, it could be very good or very bad. I'm thinking that because of his failures as a play-caller, Pat is more likely to retain those duties. Of course that's nothing more than an educated (debatable, I know. ) guess on my part.

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Not entirely thrilled with Schmur but with 3 guys in the fixture with head coaching experience (Holmgren, Childress and Jauron) I

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Not entirely thrilled with Schmur but with 3 guys in the fixture with head coaching experience (Holmgren, Childress and Jauron) I

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I think everyone forgets about Ray Rhodes the Browns Senior Assistant - Defense.. He was a HC for 4 years in Philly and 1 yr in Green Bay...

So that makes the number 4...just saying.....

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That isn't really and indictment of any kind...he may have still been under contract and not able to work with another team without giving back money. Kinda how Butch Davis couldn't coach anywhere for a year or two after leaving here.

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As for their take on Chilly, they can bash him as a head coach until the cows come home

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Of course I'm naive! I think the Browns can field a winner in my lifetime.

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That would mean something if you were 90 yrs old...

you have plenty of time young man.. your going to witness 7 Superbowl wins... and watch the Steelers cry as we pass them in the wins

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Of course I'm naive! I think the Browns can field a winner in my lifetime.

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Shurmur juggled both head coach and coordinator duties during a troublesome first season in Cleveland. It's believed Shurmur will initially call Cleveland's plays next season but he intends to turn things over to Childress, who recently interviewed for Tampa Bay's head coaching job. Childress has only one season (2006) of experience calling plays.

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Of course I'm naive! I think the Browns can field a winner in my lifetime.

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You should hope for them to do it in my lifetime.

Then you don't have to live so long!

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Of course I'm naive! I think the Browns can field a winner in my lifetime.

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Not entirely thrilled with Schmur but with 3 guys in the fixture with head coaching experience (Holmgren, Childress and Jauron) I

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I think everyone forgets about Ray Rhodes the Browns Senior Assistant - Defense.. He was a HC for 4 years in Philly and 1 yr in Green Bay...

So that makes the number 4...just saying.....

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I agree, but you have three or four strong minded individuals who all can want a different type of QB..Who wins? I think Holmgren picked out Colt and might bring someone in to challeng him, but Don't think Holmgren like the idea of going against his initial judgement without helping him out and allowing him time to learn. JMHO

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I think that's just it. we seem to have 5 guys in lead positions that are of the same mindset in terms of the type of offense and defense we'll run.

they may have some differences on what players (or type of players) that best fit but I can't help believe that's no difference with any team.'

So, it's gotta be that decisions get deferred to Shumur right?

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Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Brad Childress will help with plays and in other ways: Bud Shaw
Published: Friday, January 27, 2012, 6:46 PM Updated: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:05 AM
By Bud Shaw, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
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View full sizeChris O'Meara, Associated PressNew Browns offensive coordinator Brad Childress called his own plays in Minnesota, with mixed results.
Don't expect instant wizardry with Brad Childress as the Browns' offensive coordinator.

The clamor for Childress to inherit the play-calling from head coach Pat Shurmur will be loud. Understandable, too, given that the fans of sad sack franchises as offensively challenged as the 2011 Browns would prefer a Ouija board or Magic Eight Ball to whoever authored last season's mess.

Just know that when they hear the clamor in Minnesota, some will be waiting for the punch line.

Childress didn't call plays for Andy Reid in Philadelphia. He did as head coach of the Vikings. The results, as the saying goes, were "mixed."

Shockingly to no one, his plays worked better when he had Brett Favre throwing to the right-colored jerseys and Adrian Peterson running in open prairie. During an injury-filled 2010 season -- Childress' last -- he pointed a finger at Favre only to find Favre and other players on offense pointing back.

His reign there ended with the usual gripes about a too-predictable offense and with the not-so customary shove overboard by some Vikings, who, according to reports, complained about him to owner Zygi Wilf.

We know Childress gives Shurmur another experienced hand to help out in game-planning. Game management should also become less helter-skelter with Childress around. Those are the clear benefits of hiring an offensive coordinator.

The rest? Just because the Cleveland LaMontes will sing in even more harmony with the addition of another West Coast voice is no guarantee they'll hit all the high notes.

People like to excuse Colt McCoy because of all the dropped passes. Well, those dropped passes hurt the offensive coordinator just as much.

Childress would be yet another client of agent Bob LaMonte, who also represents Browns President Mike Holmgren, GM Tom Heckert and Shurmur. The shared agent isn't as worrisome as whether the Browns' fraternity is leaving any room for fresh ideas on offense in an ever-changing league.

Last year, West Coast 101 produced one more point than the Browns scored in the expansion season of 1999 when Phil Dawson had more rushing touchdowns (1) than Karim Abdul-Jabbar. The 2011 edition finished 29th on offense and 30th in points per game.

Shurmur was willing to hire an offensive coordinator a year ago, though he admitted he liked calling plays.

"That's a fun thing for all of us to do," Shurmur said at his season-ending news conference. "And I want to get the best guy I can. And if he's outstanding at calling plays, listen, I want to win games, and so I'm going to get the guys in there that are going to help us do that."

Now that all the fun of 2011 is behind the Browns, Childress could take a load off Shurmur if he assumes the play-calling. Even if Childress doesn't excel, a young coach who suffered such public game-management and clock-management lapses in 2011 can only benefit from having a lighter workload on Sundays.

Head coaches who don't call their own plays still can exercise veto power. Veto power might not be as much fun, but it's pretty relevant.

There's an argument that says if Shurmur isn't calling plays in 2012, it's an admission that Holmgren missed on the head coaching hire. He might have, but not for that reason.

It's wrong to think Holmgren, who knows coaching best of all, would hire a coach only because of a shared offensive philosophy. Granted, other than Shurmur's ability to deal with last season's mounting losses and in-game gaffes, the qualities Holmgren found so compelling were not on display.

If Shurmur is going to grow into the coach Holmgren insists will be for a long time, he needs to give up the play-calling and get a grip on the totality of the head coaching job.

There's every reason to think Childress can help in that regard. Even if there's no reason to expect to see the kind of scoring on display in New England, Green Bay, New Orleans and pinball arcades.

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Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid is confident Brad Childress and Pat Shurmur will make a great combo for the Cleveland Browns
Published: Friday, January 27, 2012, 9:46 PM Updated: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 3:36 AM
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
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View full sizeBradley C. Bower, AP file photoEagles coach Andy Reid, left, with Brad Childress in 2004.
BEREA, Ohio — Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid collaborated on a lot of play-calling over the years with new Browns offensive coordinator Brad Childress and coach Pat Shurmur, and he's confident they'll be successful together regardless of who handles that chore.

"Pat's a heck of a play-caller, and Brad's a heck of a play-caller, and I think that's a heck of a combination," Reid told The Plain Dealer. "Both of them can bounce things off of each other. That's what Brad did here with me, and that's what Pat did here with me. So, whether I was calling the plays or they were calling the plays, we had an open communication where we could talk and make the best of whatever situation there was."

Childress, a former Minnesota Vikings head coach, was hired by the Browns on Friday to be the first offensive coordinator under Shurmur, who called his own plays last season. Shurmur and Childress spent seven years together under Reid in Philadelphia, going 70-42 in those years with four trips to the NFC Championship Game and one appearance in the Super Bowl, a loss to New England.

Shurmur will retain play-calling duties for now, but the two will have plenty of discussions about that, and nothing has been finalized yet, an NFL source said. Shurmur said during his season-ending news conference that he'd relinquish the play-calling duties if the right person came along.

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"They were a great combo for me here, and we sure won a lot of games with those two at the helm of my offense here, and so I wouldn't expect anything different," said Reid, who ran the same West Coast offense the Browns have in place. "They work very well together, and it's a great fit. The Cleveland Browns are getting a great person, No. 1, and a tremendous football coach. He's got a great football mind, and he has a great relationship with Pat. It's a win-win all the way around."

Reid cited the tremendous job Childress and Shurmur did with quarterback Donovan McNabb, who went to three Pro Bowls with Childress as quarterbacks coach and three more with Shurmur in that capacity.

"They did a phenomenal job with Donovan," said Reid. "Brad had Donovan when he was young, and Pat had him when he was a little older, and Brad never lost his relationship with Donovan when he became the coordinator. The two of them developed him very well. He was a great player, but they did a heck of a job with him."

Reid is confident they'll have the same impact on quarterback Colt McCoy, if the Browns decide to stick with him.

"Both of them understand it takes four years for a quarterback to fully mature or get close to full maturing in the NFL," said Reid. "It's not a bang-bang thing that happens overnight. They understand how to go through that process and how to teach quarterbacks and when to be a little tough on them and when you need to back off. They both have a great feel for that."

Reid said he was lucky to work with both Shurmur and Childress and that the Browns are in good hands.

"You hire guys that are driven and smart, and both of them fall under that category," he said. "Both of them have a great work ethic, and they understand the game, and they have a whole lot of football smarts. They're smart guys away from the football field, too, but they really know the game."

The Browns were unavailable for comment Friday, but a source told The Plain Dealer on Thursday that the team had narrowed its choices to Childress and former Green Bay Packers coach Mike Sherman, who was named Miami Dolphins offensive coordinator Friday night. Both men are clients of agent Bob LaMonte, who also represents Browns President Mike Holmgren, GM Tom Heckert and Shurmur.

Childress, 55, and Sherman, 57, also both interviewed for the Tampa Bay head coach job, which went to Rutgers coach Greg Schiano.

Despite his four seasons as a coordinator and four-plus as a head coach, Childress has called plays for only one season -- his first as Vikings head coach in 2006. That year, the Vikings finished 23rd in yards and 26th in points, and Childress handed the play-calling duties over to offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell.

The Vikings went on to improve steadily under Childress, winning consecutive division titles in 2008 and 2009, and reaching the NFC Championship Game in 2009 behind a fabulous year by quarterback Brett Favre, who led the team to a 12-4 mark with his 33 touchdown passes.

But it all unraveled in 2010 when Favre struggled and the Vikings lost three of their first four games. Things got ugly after Childress criticized Favre's decision-making, and receiver Randy Moss later criticized Childress. Childress ultimately released Moss without consulting owner Zygi Wilf, which contributed to his demise.

Childress sat out of football last year and wasn't interviewed for the Browns' offensive coordinator position. In Philadelphia, he was quarterbacks coach from 1999 to 2001 and coordinator from 2002 to '05. Shurmur was Eagles tight ends/offensive line coach from 1999 to 2001 and quarterbacks coach from 2002 to '08.

At his season-ending news conference Jan. 3, he said of Childress: "I know Brad very well. He and I worked together for a long time. I think he's a terrific coach."

Childress takes over an offense that finished 29th in total yards last season (288.8) and 30th in points per game (13.6). The Browns, with Shurmur as play-caller and the Browns down to their fourth and fifth running backs, scored 218 points -- one more than the expansion Browns of 1999.

Childress will help the Browns make key decisions such as whether or not McCoy can be their starter, whether or not to re-sign Peyton Hillis and what to do with the No. 4 and No. 22 picks in the first round. He'll be critical in the evaluation of quarterback prospects such as Baylor's Robert Griffin III and Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill, who was coached by Sherman in college.

Childress has 33 years' coaching experience at the college and pro levels, including 13 in the NFL. His hiring gives the Browns two coordinators, including defensive coordinator Dick Jauron, with head coaching experience.

Related topics: andy reid, brad childress, cleveland browns, nfl championship game, pat shurmur, philadelphia eagles

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Shurmur will retain play-calling duties for now, but the two will have plenty of discussions about that, and nothing has been finalized yet, an NFL source said. Shurmur said during his season-ending news conference that he'd relinquish the play-calling duties if the right person came along.

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Childress will help the Browns make key decisions such as whether or not McCoy can be their starter, whether or not to re-sign Peyton Hillis and what to do with the No. 4 and No. 22 picks in the first round. He'll be critical in the evaluation of quarterback prospects such as Baylor's Robert Griffin III and Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill, who was coached by Sherman in college.

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are clients of agent Bob LaMonte

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Was there any questions/doubt there?

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I think that this is a bit of a stretch to think that Childress will have much or any influence on our Draft decisions.

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Jc.. for those that wanted Sherman, I think that notion was never in the cards because he is not represented by Bob Lamonte??

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