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So why is it that the Browns were lambasted in the media ...... and harangued by every commentator and announcer about the McCoy situation ....... but this one didn't even make a blip on the radar screen?
My thoughts exactly. The replay clearly shows that Dielman was woozy after that play, yet he finishes the game without even a whisper about the Chargers coaches and med. staff doing anything wrong, not seeing it, etc.
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So why is it that the Browns were lambasted in the media ...... and harangued by every commentator and announcer about the McCoy situation ....... but this one didn't even make a blip on the radar screen?
same thing happened to Colston too.
it's just a matter of that it was a QB for us that got hurt, on national TV, after an obvious huge hit, with no other big news stories on that Friday after the game. perfect storm.
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he decisions aren't becoming any easier for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and veteran linebacker James Farrior soon might be up on the team's chopping block.
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Farrior had been a two time Pro Bowler for the Steelers of his 10 year-career with the team. Last season, in 14 games, he had just 57 tackles, his lowest amount since starting just six games for the New York Jets in 2000.
The 37-year-old became the latest casualty in a string of moves that have helped the Steelers reduce their salary cap figure by over $37.4 million. This week, Pittsburgh cut longtime star wide receiver Hines Ward, and chose not to franchise tag standout wide receiver Mike Wallace.
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hehe, I love it 
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The beginning of what is hopefully a shift in the balance of power in the North....but then again that team, for some reason, can probably pull a clown off the street, plug him in and win games.
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Are they doing these moves because the guys have dropped in ability, or CAP concerns?
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mostly cap, but these guys are well past their prime
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mostly cap, but these guys are well past their prime
Hines Ward without a doubt is past his Prime,, I thought farrior was pretty effective last year.. might even have another year in the tank for someone willing to take a shot at him..
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Aaron Smith and Chris Kemoeatu are/will be cut as well. link
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Im sure he has a couple years left, but hes like 37 years old.
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Aaron Smith and Chris Kemoeatu are/will be cut as well.
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I really like Kemoeatu - he plays nasty -- I don't think he's a good fit here, but I wouldn't mind him.
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I gotta disagree .... I have seen more plays where the pile is already on the ground or a pair of linemen (both teams) are already tapping off on each other ... or the play is 10 yards away where Kemo will just run in and try to late hit someone, bulldoze a pile, or even give a guy a "ticky tack" shove ... he is honestly in my opinion one of the dirtiest players in the league because what he does and gets away with after the whistle.
Not commenting on his play ... but I'd hate to have a guy who disrespects the game so much.
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I really like Kemoeatu - he plays nasty -- I don't think he's a good fit here, but I wouldn't mind him.
Well, pittsburgh has been cleaning house for sure. they've always had a habit of being able to reload.. in fact they've always made it look easy. but I don't remember a time when they got rid of 3 or 4 starters in one off season...
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NFL network announced Colts are cutting Manning tomorrow.
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I have to admit that I am truly surprised that it came to this. I really thought that they would get it worked out.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7653897/sources-indianapolis-colts-part-peyton-manning-wednesdayom news services Peyton Manning's 14-year career as a member of the Indianapolis Colts is coming to an end. Sources close to the team told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that the announcement will come at a news conference in Indianapolis on Wednesday with both Manning and owner Jim Irsay in attendance. More from ESPN.com Kuharsky Ending the Peyton Manning era in Indianapolis is the ultimate business decision by Jim Irsay and the Colts, writes Paul Kuharsky. Blog • Sprow: Potential landing spots Insider • Gallery: Manning's career in photos Photo Gallery • More: Andrew Luck scouting report The decision to pass on the $28 million bonus owed Manning and not to pick up the four remaining years on his contract means Manning will become a free agent, and sources told Mortensen that he intends to continue to play. The four-time league MVP missed the entire 2011 season after having his third neck surgery in 19 months, a fusion of two vertebrae. His doctors have medically cleared him to resume his career and Manning has increased his throwing regimen. Several sources have told ESPN during the past month that Manning's throwing strength has dramatically improved as his nerves continue to regenerate following his latest neck surgery Sept. 8. Dr. Robert Watkins, who performed the single-level cervical fusion, has stated publicly that he has cleared Manning to resume his playing career. Manning has broken all of Indianapolis' career records for quarterbacks and had never missed a start before last season. He's taken the Colts to the playoffs 11 times, captured seven AFC South titles in eight years, won two AFC championships, one Super Bowl title and a Super Bowl MVP Award. The Colts have the No. 1 overall pick in April's draft and are likely to draft former Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck or former Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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While I hate to be the one to bring this up ... I know it's literally only a matter of minutes before it IS brought up.
Does this 'officially' make the price for the #2 tag drop?
Not even because a team is off of the market in the bidding war ... but because the SECOND that Peyton is cut he is free to sign with a new team (unless I misinterpreted that).
So Jeff Fisher and the Rams know that the MINUTE Peyton hits the market ... a team like Washington or Miami can counter the deal by saying "no way we will pay THAT much ... we are just going to go sign Manning"
There is obviously a lot more headgames that can be attached ... but I think that St. Louis will start to feel the pressure now that another option is available and I really do think that they could trade the pick within a few days to "secure" their value (if that was their true intention anyway).
Because as soon as FA starts teams could literally just go after FA's whether it's Flynn or Campbell or Orton or whoever. You and I might not like Orton ... but if Pete Carroll or Joe Philbon think that they can do more with Orton / Campbell and 3 top draft picks INSTEAD of just trading for Griffin ... that would be when Cleveland gets on the phone and says "good luck making the trade ... we're willing to bet he slides to us at #4 anyways"
So ... Rams trade pick within 3 days?
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Damn shame they can't find a way to treat him better after all he gave them. I hope he goes somewhere and leads that other team to 3 Super Bowls, while the colts struggle to win 3-4 per season!
I know you have to say good-bye at some point but this was in poor form.
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I don't think he wants to stay. Imagine if he had a bad game with Luck waiting...the team is in shambles...new gm, new coach etc etc
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Peyton Manning's 14-year career as a member of the Indianapolis Colts is coming to an end.
Sources close to the team told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that the announcement will come at a news conference in Indianapolis on Wednesday with both Manning and owner Jim Irsay in attendance.
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Kuharsky Ending the Peyton Manning era in Indianapolis is the ultimate business decision by Jim Irsay and the Colts, writes Paul Kuharsky. Blog
• Sprow: Potential landing spots Insider
• Gallery: Manning's career in photos Photo Gallery
• More: Andrew Luck scouting report
The decision to pass on the $28 million bonus owed Manning and not to pick up the four remaining years on his contract means Manning will become a free agent, and sources told Mortensen that he intends to continue to play.
The four-time league MVP missed the entire 2011 season after having his third neck surgery in 19 months, a fusion of two vertebrae. His doctors have medically cleared him to resume his career and Manning has increased his throwing regimen.
Several sources have told ESPN during the past month that Manning's throwing strength has dramatically improved as his nerves continue to regenerate following his latest neck surgery Sept. 8. Dr. Robert Watkins, who performed the single-level cervical fusion, has stated publicly that he has cleared Manning to resume his playing career.
Manning has broken all of Indianapolis' career records for quarterbacks and had never missed a start before last season. He's taken the Colts to the playoffs 11 times, captured seven AFC South titles in eight years, won two AFC championships, one Super Bowl title and a Super Bowl MVP Award.
The Colts have the No. 1 overall pick in April's draft and are likely to draft former Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck or former Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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While I hate to be the one to bring this up ... I know it's literally only a matter of minutes before it IS brought up.
Does this 'officially' make the price for the #2 tag drop?
Not even because a team is off of the market in the bidding war ... but because the SECOND that Peyton is cut he is free to sign with a new team (unless I misinterpreted that).
So Jeff Fisher and the Rams know that the MINUTE Peyton hits the market ... a team like Washington or Miami can counter the deal by saying "no way we will pay THAT much ... we are just going to go sign Manning"
There is obviously a lot more headgames that can be attached ... but I think that St. Louis will start to feel the pressure now that another option is available and I really do think that they could trade the pick within a few days to "secure" their value (if that was their true intention anyway).
Because as soon as FA starts teams could literally just go after FA's whether it's Flynn or Campbell or Orton or whoever. You and I might not like Orton ... but if Pete Carroll or Joe Philbon think that they can do more with Orton / Campbell and 3 top draft picks INSTEAD of just trading for Griffin ... that would be when Cleveland gets on the phone and says "good luck making the trade ... we're willing to bet he slides to us at #4 anyways"
So ... Rams trade pick within 3 days?
With the ongoing investigation of bounty gate and the distinct possibility that Washington might lose a 1st this year or next, does St. Louis continue to court them if their offering is just a pig in a poke? Does Washington wait around for the shoe to drop or do they just go ahead and move on Manning?
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IF the key word is IF Manning is healthy....Holmgren should call him and get him to cleveland ASAP to have a talk.
Manning still has 4 or 5 good years left in him....lets teach our young Qb how to win behind a guy that you know...actually knows how to win!
look how god awful the Colts were "without Manning"
Manning could turn this Browns team into a 11 win team....Manning is no joke...he makes "everyone" around him better...Heck Manning may be able to turn Norwood and MoMass into upper tier #2 receivers...Manning may be able to make them look that good...God knows Manning made other WR look good in Indy...
I say we keep Colt, Sign Manning...using our #4 on Richardson, use our #22 on the best WR on the board, shore up the OL via FA and the draft...and make a push for a playoff spot next year...im tired of the losing rebuilding excuse every ryear...
Manning REBUILDS THIS TEAM....by rebuilding and bringing back the culture of winning...we need someone on this team that is a WINNER...that knows how to win...that can rally guys here to win..Manning is that guy...and he teaches the younger guys in the lockeroom this culture that can carry it on after Manning is gone 4 or 5 years from now...you take Ray Lewis away from the Ravens and that tram isn';t the same.
If we have a legitimate shot at Manning...we would be fools not to sign him if he is healthy...he changes this team overnight....he brings back a winning tradition to Cleveland...something this team lost when it got stolen from us and taken to Baltimore..Manning can bring that back...and it will only cost us money...not draft picks...
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the man has had 3 neck surgeries.. he's in his mid thirties. that to me doesn't spell 4 or 5 good years left in him.
That sounds like he's one solid hit from paralysis....
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Manning still has 4 or 5 good years left in him....
the man has had 3 neck surgeries.. he's in his mid thirties. that to me doesn't spell 4 or 5 good years left in him.
That sounds like he's one solid hit from paralysis....
You do realize his neck is actually stronger than an average persons...
It's not like it's hanging by a thread... It's been FUSED...
The only concern had been throwing strength...
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the man has had 3 neck surgeries.. he's in his mid thirties. that to me doesn't spell 4 or 5 good years left in him.
That sounds like he's one solid hit from paralysis....
His neck is stronger than ever. Do you really think he would play if his neck was that brittle?
If his arm strength is were it used to be, I say hell yes try and sign him. Sign Garcon also.
I doubt he wants to play here though.
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the man has had 3 neck surgeries.. he's in his mid thirties. that to me doesn't spell 4 or 5 good years left in him.
That sounds like he's one solid hit from paralysis....
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the man has had 3 neck surgeries.. he's in his mid thirties. that to me doesn't spell 4 or 5 good years left in him.
That sounds like he's one solid hit from paralysis....
4 neck surgeries.
It has me beat. I've only had one neck surgery and I can't throw worth a darn, of course I couldn't before the surgery either.
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So how great would it be if during the Manning/Colts Press Conference after a bit Peyton and Irsay get into a heated conversation, tussle a bit.. then yell out SWERVE!!!
And then Indy signs Manning to a new contract?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Damn shame they can't find a way to treat him better after all he gave them. I hope he goes somewhere and leads that other team to 3 Super Bowls, while the colts struggle to win 3-4 per season!
I know you have to say good-bye at some point but this was in poor form.
I see your point, but 28mil is a lot of scratch to show some gratitude.
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the man has had 3 neck surgeries.. he's in his mid thirties. that to me doesn't spell 4 or 5 good years left in him.
That sounds like he's one solid hit from paralysis....
You do realize his neck is actually stronger than an average persons...
It's not like it's hanging by a thread... It's been FUSED...
The only concern had been throwing strength...
Don't care.. 4 surgeries and 36 yrs old
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IMO, there's no way on Earth we're going to even pursue Manning, let alone sign him. Ok, maybe we do our token "due diligence", but I doubt it's going to go beyond Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur texting back and forth:
Heckert: So, should we pursue Manning? lol
Holmgren: WTF?
Shurmur: ROFL, yeah, str8 up he's ours
I just don't see this FO, seeming to want to establish a good young team, pursuing Manning at this point in his career. Now, if we were a little closer to needing just that one piece, maybe. But I think we need some more pieces than just Manning.
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I know you have to say good-bye at some point but this was in poor form.
I see your point, but 28mil is a lot of scratch to show some gratitude.
And there was major gratitude shown when he was given his last contract, but we all know why they are in the position to go in a different direction.
Winning the Andrew Luck sweep steaks affords them this luxury.
Manning probably doesn't want to restructure his contract either at his age. I'm not sure that was an option on the table or not, but he knows that he only has a few big paychecks coming, before it's time for him to retire.
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Damn shame they can't find a way to treat him better after all he gave them. I hope he goes somewhere and leads that other team to 3 Super Bowls, while the colts struggle to win 3-4 per season!
I know you have to say good-bye at some point but this was in poor form.
How so??? I don't think it is in poor form. With both Isray and Manning going to be in attendance, I think both know it had to work this way.
Really man, there is no way the Colts could pony up 28 mil. If anybody is a bad guy, it's Peyton. Maybe he could have figured that out and said, hey, lets talk about a new number.....and don't get me wrong, I am not blaming him either.
A bad set of circumtances hit.....Manning more or less broke his neck at a fairly advance football age and ended up missing the entire year before a 28 mil bonus was in place.
Make him younger or another year away from the bonus deadline and things would be different.
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I don't think he's willing to take the beating he would take as a member of the Browns. AFC North defenses are a completely different animal compared to what he usually played against.
If the price is right I'd sign him, though. We would have to beef up the line and give him a viable RB to take the pressure off of him.
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Would love manning in cleveland - don't think he'd come here, as we're far from a good "win now" candidate - washington/miami make more sense.
Spinal fusion certainly does not make your neck "stronger" - that's one of the more ridiculous things I've heard - I don't know the details of his surgery though, and doubt he would come back if he was putting himself at risk (remember Cooper Manning gave up football due to spinal stenosis).
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Manning is probably gone to Seattle, weak division 35 mil in cap space great run game good young defense and the money to load up on receivers.
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What I find sad, is that everytime a big name free agent is in the news and where he might go.. The Browns are never even in the conversation. No mention that he might even be interested in coming here and we might be pursuing him. The main reason is we never seem to be "in contention" to draw that kind of interest. You could argue we are building through the draft and aren't spending big bucks for a FA.. but lets face it, If you were Manning, would you want to come to Cleveland ? We've been a joke for years and aren't close to what he wants for a team to finish his career.
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Good thought.
Add in a dome and you play west coast teams in division so you beat a lot of the cold except for Denver. Plus, Seattle is a pretty nice place to hang.
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I've read a couple places that Houston might be a landing spot for Manning. It does make some sense. If the Texans where able to trade Schaub and get rid of Delhomme, Garcia and Mario Williams etc. they could create room to possibly sign him. I believe Houston plays in a dome so weather isn't an issue.Plus playing Indy twice could be a plus for Manning.I can't help but think the Texans want to look at Yates as there QB of the near future and what better guy to have around for a few years than Manning?
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