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Quit talking like a goof....he doesn't want that, and you know it.
Did you happen to notice the  after I said that.. maybe you shouldn't take your damn self so serious. I was kidding with him..
Besides, your still in shock that it took 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.. Damn it, I should have taken that freakin bet.....
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What we're hearing may simply be what STL is saying because that's what they told Snyder so that they could bilk them for more... no idea.
Exactly,, no way do we know what the Browns offered if anything. it's all media quoting other media and gamesmanship by St. Louis is/was afoot no doubt.
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That is just immature and overly emotional. You do whatever you can to improve your team.
You basically offered the same package (alleged) and they turned you down then after they trade away the player you wanted now they want to trade back and get the player they want, you wouldn't be slightly upset?
I know what you mean. They pretty much established the price of moving up 4 spots in the first part of the round ... the price of moving up 2 spots (half) should not be a small fraction of the price of moving up 4. Maybe not half the price of moving up 4 for a QB, but not just a teeny part of the price, either.
they fleeced the Skins because they wanted RG3 ... we can try to do the same if they want Blackmon. Someone else will want him too, we can get more than a 2nd.
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We'd be crazy not to try and fleece someone now. Rookie wage scales are down and the price to trade picks just went up.
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We'd be crazy not to try and fleece someone now. Rookie wage scales are down and the price to trade picks just went up.
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1. Colts...Luck
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3. Vikings..Kalil ?
4. Browns...??
The Browns and Vikings are in position to trade down and gain more picks. Let's hope the Vikings go ahead and pick Kalil...that would leave the Browns in perfect position to trade down to gain more picks.
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So when was the last post actually regarding FREE AGENCY now . . . ? I just noticed this. I have a '9er fan coworker who was raving about this guy at the end of last season . . . And for just a seventh rounder? Larry Grant Receives Original-Round Tender From San Francisco 49ers by Ernie Pomin According to CSN Bay Area's Matt Maiocco, the San Francisco 49ers have placed an original-round tender of around $1.26 million on linebacker Larry Grant, which means another team could likely swoop Grant from the 49ers for a relatively low cost. The 49ers would be set to receive a seventh-round draft pick as compensation if they decided not to match an offer from another team, but could keep a high-motored team player as well on the cheap if they don't. Grant, 27, was a seventh-round draft pick of the 49ers back in 2008. Grant proved his worth to the rest of the league back in December after filling in for the injured Patrick Willis for four straight games that Willis missed due to injury. In the Christmas Eve game against the Seattle Seahawks, Grant had 12 tackles and a forced fumble, the best game he had all year. He could soon be doing the same for someone else.
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I think more applicable to us was the release of Steve Hutchinson and Anthony Herrera from the Vikings. Considering our obvious link with those guys in Holmgren and Childress and our need for a starting guard, one of those guys would almost obviously be a possibility.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I think more applicable to us was the release of Steve Hutchinson and Anthony Herrera from the Vikings. Considering our obvious link with those guys in Holmgren and Childress and our need for a starting guard, one of those guys would almost obviously be a possibility.
Fingers crossed we bring in Hutchinson, and get Steinbach to re-do his contract...
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Hutch is like 34. His prime is looooong behind him. There is no way I give him fat money.
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I don't know, with losing out on RGIII, I think I'd rather just let the guys that are there try to build some continuity. I definitely want an upgrade at RT, but I'm OK with letting the line gel and continue to get better.
What makes an offensive line great? Two critical things in my esitmation:
Talent and Continuity
Pashos is too injured to be counted on and too old to get better.
Hutchinson is already 34. He's probably got two good years left in him and will probably be looking for $15-$17 million over those two years.
Pinkston and Lauvao I think can get better working longer with the other guys and within the system. The fact that they are relatively inexperienced makes me think about pulling up our RT draft round priority a bit, however, as our RG won't be able to pick up our RT.
We're not going to the playoffs this year. I prefer we draft an upgrade at RT, allow the young guys to grow together on the O-Line, get a fresh batch of talented receivers with some stinkin' speed, and let them gel with the system. For now, we've got Colt and Seneca. that's what we got. Are we going to be better with Tannehill, minus a talented WR? With Weedon? Foles? Cousins? Osweiler? I don't think so.
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I think that with this front office, it is absolutely safe to say that we will no longer be paying premium contracts to any players in the twilight of their careers.
We are more apt to be looking at the players entering their first free agency, not their last one.
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If you listen to what Heckert said, we're not likely to sign many guys at all. A few of the more "interesting" parts of his remarks from the other day: Cleveland Browns GM Tom Heckert says the Browns won't pursue Peyton Manning | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_browns_gm_tom_hecker_11.html* Right tackle Tony Pashos underwent ankle surgery on Tuesday and he's not sure how that position will shake out out. * The Browns will try to re-sign Peyton Hillis, but probably not until after he hit the market on Tuesday. * The Browns will stick to their philosophy on free agency. "We're not going to sign a ton a free agents. We're not going to go crazy.'' Of course, he also said: * Even though the Browns are up for anything with their No. 4 pick, all the talk about the Browns moving up to No. 2 to draft Griffin III "is crazy. We feel comfortable staying at No. 4 and getting a really good player. We feel comfortable moving back and getting extra picks too.'' And that turned out to be ..... misdirection, as reports have them up to 3 first round picks and thinking that they all but had a deal done. The scary part for me is how many times he used the word "comfortable". How can anyone in the front office of a team that has gone 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, and 4-12 in its last 4 years be comfortable about anything? H&H have been here for the past 2 ..... and sooner or later the product on the field needs to produce some wins, or it will get uncomfortable really quickly.
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Hutch is like 34. His prime is looooong behind him. There is no way I give him fat money.
I never said to pay him "fat money"....I just suggested picking him up. He would be better than both the guards that played last year, even if he is loooooong past his prime.
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I would be stunned if we signed any player who is over 30, no matter what connection he has to anyone on staff. It just seems that this is not a direction this front office is going in at all.
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@YTown - I saw that... and I took it to mean that we won't be going crazy, not that we won't be active. I think that we'll continue to be prudent and take only those guys that offer a degree of value... e.g. we won't be chasing the big names. We'll be looking at the more unheralded types. In other words, I think that we're actually (for once) going to actively seek out the younger guys that many might not normally look at - because they fit our systems. I think these guys have an all-encompassing belief in their systems and they simply get and plug in guys to fit roles.
@Tubby - Big money is the only way you're going to get him unless all 32 teams steer clear of him for the first few weeks of free agency. He has enough left in him to be of use for a couple of years, so *someone* is going to pay him more than he is worth in the long run.... that's all I was saying.
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I would guess that we will probably sign 2 or 3 free agents ..... and probably not a top 3 guy on the market at any position.
I would be stunned if we sign a big name WR to a deal, mainly because I doubt that any will want to come here as part of a slow rebuild, with an unproven QB. That would be career suicide, especially for a younger WR.
Heckert likes to find pass rushers in the draft, so I don't see Mario ..... or any other big name DE/LB type winding up in Cleveland.
I think that we'll try to resign Patterson. I don't think that we'll resign Hillis. We might look at an OL who can swing to RT depending on the reports on Pashos, so we can, at least, have a swing guy to compete there. I don't see us signing a free agent QB. I don't see us looking at TE in free agency. Obviously we will be set at K and P. (Thank goodness)
We might look for a OLB ..... but who really knows? We might go through free agency with only 1 or 2 free agents signed. We'll probably have 13 draft picks ....... so I think that's where Heckert will concentrate. Year 3 will continue on the slow, slow, slow and steady course. Hopefully we'll win more than 4 games this year.
*Sigh* That really hurts to even think about.
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* Even though the Browns are up for anything with their No. 4 pick, all the talk about the Browns moving up to No. 2 to draft Griffin III "is crazy. We feel comfortable staying at No. 4 and getting a really good player. We feel comfortable moving back and getting extra picks too.''
And that turned out to be ..... misdirection, as reports have them up to 3 first round picks and thinking that they all but had a deal done.
not for nothin, but what if it isn't misdirection at all,, what if it's just what the plan was all along.
Remember something about all these reports, they were ALL started by a reporter in st. Louis and merely copied by everyone else.
To my knowledge, there is no confirmation that the browns offered a bag of peanuts to move up let along 3 first round picks....
if you can show me anything that in any way confirms that the browns made a serious offer of 3 firsts,, I'll stand corrected, I've looked and all I see are reports of all kinda different scenarios.. but absolutly nothing concrete.
The Browns had WAY more to offer than did the Redskins., they could have offered the exact same deal and all the picks would have been higher this year.. (no telling about next or the year after, but that's the same with the Redskins)
I think had the browns offered 3 firsts and a second, we'd have the second pick.. that tells me we didn't.
Essentially, you are prepared to believe the Browns would do something like this,,, but not prepared to believe that Heckert meant what he said.
Not that it really matters, but the only guys that I see thinking this way are the ones that really wanted us to make a significant trade to move up to get RG3.. others don't seem to believe it.
Again, that's more FWIW.. Cause I honestly don't know if they did or didn't offer anything. and I don't suppose I ever will.
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YTown, don't forget, Heckert already said we wouldn't go after Mario Williams.
I'm thinking if we come even close to making a splash in free agency, it'll be at WR or LB. Just that GUT feeling.
I'm still feeling like Hillis will be back....
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Well, there were posters on this board arguing that Heckert never really said that he wasn't going to go after Mario Williams ....... even though he said about as clearly as he could have without saying "Hey, we're not signing him!". 
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Well, there were posters on this board arguing that Heckert never really said that he wasn't going to go after Mario Williams ....... even though he said about as clearly as he could have without saying "Hey, we're not signing him!".
Maybe, and this could be crazy, but maybe him saying 'as clearly as could be' that we aren't going after Mario is a misdirection also.??? Naw, couldn't be, he wouldn't misdirect about one thing and then do it again on another.
I'm not saying we are going to pursue Mario, I would like to get him, but on the cheap (relative for his position group and expected signing amount people think he will get). However, that isn't going to happen, he will most likely get a huge contract from someone, maybe us, but very very doubtful.
I agree that Heck likes to draft his pass rushers, and nothing wrong with that, but never know... maybe it has all been misdirection... until now. 
Hutch could be coming here, but it would have to be a team friendly deal, imo, otherwise I don't want to overspend on a 34yo guard. I would prefer to get someone who can take the RT position and hold it down solidly for several years, or prefer we draft that guy, where and when is TBD. 
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I really think the Browns are gonna need to go hard after Henne in FA after Flynn goes to Miami and Manning goes to Denver. Can't have another year with McCoy or the fans will lose hope.
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I really think the Browns are gonna need to go hard after Henne in FA after Flynn goes to Miami and Manning goes to Denver. Can't have another year with McCoy or the fans will lose hope.
Yeah,, Henne is the saviour
Sometimes, the fans are just wrong...
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Is there a different Henne out there than Chad Henne?
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Thing is Henne is a big armed qb with prototypical size used to playing in cold weather being from Michigan. I think he really got the screw job being stuck with head cases such as Brandon Marshall and could use to come into a relaxed environment such as Cleveland as long as we can add players like Blackmon and Kendall Wright in the draft as well as bring Hillis back. You would probably see a massive improvement in our offense.
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Michael Henne, an Ohio State Rep. Not sure he can do much on the field but for earmarks, he's your guy! 
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Chad Henne? Come on...... The guy's an INT machine. He single handidly lost that game against us two years ago with Jake Delhomme
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Thing is Henne is a big armed qb with prototypical size used to playing in cold weather being from Michigan. I think he really got the screw job being stuck with head cases such as Brandon Marshall and could use to come into a relaxed environment such as Cleveland as long as we can add players like Blackmon and Kendall Wright in the draft as well as bring Hillis back. You would probably see a massive improvement in our offense.
No he doesn't have a big arm ... On the contrary. He would not be an upgrade imo.
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Thing is Henne is a big armed qb with prototypical size used to playing in cold weather being from Michigan. I think he really got the screw job being stuck with head cases such as Brandon Marshall and could use to come into a relaxed environment such as Cleveland
Henne's cold blood is behind him. He's been in Florida to long. I can't believe you think Cleveland is a relaxed environment! I'd rather have Colt over Henne.
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Is Nicks available for FA this year? Guard with the Aints, I think? Gas in the tank?
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Thing is Henne is a big armed qb with prototypical size used to playing in cold weather being from Michigan. I think he really got the screw job being stuck with head cases such as Brandon Marshall and could use to come into a relaxed environment such as Cleveland as long as we can add players like Blackmon and Kendall Wright in the draft as well as bring Hillis back. You would probably see a massive improvement in our offense.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, I'm tired of playing musical QB's.
Henne would be another stop gap. if we are going to throw McCoy under a bus, then PLEASE, make it for someone that's worth it. henne isn't that guy.
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Quit talking like a goof....he doesn't want that, and you know it.
Did you happen to notice the after I said that.. maybe you shouldn't take your damn self so serious. I was kidding with him..
Besides, your still in shock that it took 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.. Damn it, I should have taken that freakin bet.....
I don't take myself all that seriously....I am one voice on a message board.
For future reference, a is the way to say you are kidding around. A means you are rolling on the floor laughing....in the context in which you posted it was taken you were laughing at him.
As I said, you should have taken that bet, why didn't you?? And don't give me some line about how you were saving me from a bad bet.
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If you ever find yourself in Nashville and want a great steak, this is the spot!
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So now you are damning me...if not the damn would have been between the so and serious.
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Typical response..worthless like your prediction that it would NEVER take 3 first round picks to get chance at RG3....
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If you ever find yourself in Nashville and want a great steak, this is the spot!
This is a very valuable piece of insight. Kayne Prime is a great steakhouse.
Not to mention that peen routinely posts clear opinions, while you post out of both sides of your mouth and rarely add value to any discussion.
Typical post you say. I say sir, that your posts in this thread are the typical ones . 
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I don't know, with losing out on RGIII, I think I'd rather just let the guys that are there try to build some continuity. I definitely want an upgrade at RT, but I'm OK with letting the line gel and continue to get better.
What makes an offensive line great? Two critical things in my esitmation:
Talent and Continuity
Pashos is too injured to be counted on and too old to get better.
Hutchinson is already 34. He's probably got two good years left in him and will probably be looking for $15-$17 million over those two years.
Pinkston and Lauvao I think can get better working longer with the other guys and within the system. The fact that they are relatively inexperienced makes me think about pulling up our RT draft round priority a bit, however, as our RG won't be able to pick up our RT.
We're not going to the playoffs this year. I prefer we draft an upgrade at RT, allow the young guys to grow together on the O-Line, get a fresh batch of talented receivers with some stinkin' speed, and let them gel with the system. For now, we've got Colt and Seneca. that's what we got. Are we going to be better with Tannehill, minus a talented WR? With Weedon? Foles? Cousins? Osweiler? I don't think so.
Losing out on RG3 = Big Win for the Browns
But onto the meat of your post, repairing the OL. I like a trade back scenario, drafting DeCastro in the 1st (after the trade back) and drafting Nate Potter with the 4th round pick. If you can't get him because he's already gone, then look at Levy Adcock at the RT spot.
We probably wouldn't be better with any of those QBs, but we wouldn't be worse. As I stated previously, I'd get Seneca Wallace off the roster and hope to get something for him.
I may be one of the few, but I like Nick Foles. I think he could be a good QB given some time. I'd also give Flynn an offer too. If he accepts, make him the starter, allowing Colt to sit and learn as intended and your drafted QB too. If he doesn't accept, you've got Colt with a full off-season and your drafted QB to learn ... and I'd even give Cribbs (he'll be familiar with the offense too) a couple reps. Just enough to keep his QB mind alert if he's needed. It would save a roster spot too!
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After losing out on RG3, im satisfied in keeping McCoy but we better after a good Tackle, Running back, and reciever
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After losing out on RG3, im satisfied in keeping McCoy but we better after a good Tackle, Running back, and reciever
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After losing out on RG3, im satisfied in keeping McCoy but we better after a good Tackle, Running back, and reciever
I'm okay with this, but we need interior linemen too!
Lauvao played like garbage and Pinkston is a 5th rounder. Both got valuable experience, but Pinkston contributed more and made better strides, but he's more stiff than Lauvao.
Pinkston could move to right tackle spot, but we'd have to get a top-tier guard next to him. DeCastro anyone? Maybe Lauvao could be moved to the other side and sandwiched between Mack & Thomas and improve his play, learning from both of them. He might make it to being a decent guard.
I just realized that it seems like I'm not sure Steinbach will be back or if he is, that he's not going to be the long-term solution.
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I'm okay with this, but we need interior linemen too!
Lauvao played like garbage and Pinkston is a 5th rounder. Both got valuable experience, but Pinkston contributed more and made better strides, but he's more stiff than Lauvao.
See, I think our interior linemen will continue to improve. And I'm not sure moving Pinkston is a good idea.
RT is gonna have to be drafted, giving Pinkston some reps at the right tackle spot might be a good idea, but I think he's meant to be our replacement at LG for Steinbach (who I just don't think will be on the team next year). I think Lauvao who is stronger and more athletic, is a better spot for that RG mauler position. He's a better run blocker than people realize.
Alex Mack had a down season, but I expect him to improve too. Keeping these two guys that he's familiar with next to him makes a ton of sense.
RT is the important position to fill with a quality guy. My ranking of importance LT, RT, C, Guards. Guards can be found in FA and you don't need to pay huge premiums for them, especially when they have a good center and tackles outside of them. Someone like Grubbs or Nicks sounds nice, but IMO the money can be spent on other positions more effectively. The tackle position is what's so important, and that has to be fixed
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