Quote: OK, this front office is much better ..... and they've brought us 5-11 and 4-12 the past 2 years.
Sooner or later "great front office" has to translate to the field. Sooner or later they have to do something beyond acquiring a player here or there, they have to win games.
I think it is fair to expect 6-8 wins in year 2 of this system and year three of the rebuild. Next year I expect Playoffs or pushing for a Wild Card. After Four years I fully expect this team to be a perennial Playoff contenders and challenging for division titles yearly.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Quote: OK, this front office is much better ..... and they've brought us 5-11 and 4-12 the past 2 years.
Sooner or later "great front office" has to translate to the field. Sooner or later they have to do something beyond acquiring a player here or there, they have to win games.
If they can start giving our offense a boost on par w/ the boost they've given our defense, I'll regain quite a bit of hope . . .
Quote: You can't do either one of those without a QB and a coach.
Those expectations are unrealistic.
Patience, you will be surprised the difference having that year, an off season and some added pieces will do for this team.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Quote: OK, this front office is much better ..... and they've brought us 5-11 and 4-12 the past 2 years.
Sooner or later "great front office" has to translate to the field. Sooner or later they have to do something beyond acquiring a player here or there, they have to win games.
Quote: IF (big IF), Stl wanted to get our #4 pick, what would you ask for in return?
I would want the 2nd rounder they got from wash, and a 1st. I said this in another thread, if they tried to fleece us to move up 2 spots (granted for a QB) we should try to do the same for them to move up 2 spots (6 to 4).
I'd demand the 2nd rounder they got from Washington this year, their own 2nd rounder this year and the 2014 first rounder they got from Washington.
Heckert and Holmgren are living off their past success in Philly and GB/Seattle. lets not forget,the Browns are 9-23 the past 2 years and are facing a killer schedule this season
Quote: IF (big IF), Stl wanted to get our #4 pick, what would you ask for in return?
I would want the 2nd rounder they got from wash, and a 1st. I said this in another thread, if they tried to fleece us to move up 2 spots (granted for a QB) we should try to do the same for them to move up 2 spots (6 to 4).
I'd demand the 2nd rounder they got from Washington this year, their own 2nd rounder this year and the 2014 first rounder they got from Washington.
If you want to move up from 6 in a 5 player draft, then that's the price you should have to pay...
After all this, if we let them move back up to 4 for a bunch of mid round picks, I may cry...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Quote: OK, this front office is much better ..... and they've brought us 5-11 and 4-12 the past 2 years.
Sooner or later "great front office" has to translate to the field. Sooner or later they have to do something beyond acquiring a player here or there, they have to win games.
We need to get a damn quarterback period.
Yep.
Look at us competing for free agent WRs.
"Hers's a nice contract offer, and we'd really love to have you join us. We think you're an up and coming WR who is a superstar in the making."
"Who's your QB?"
"Colt McCoy"
"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ..... no really ......."
"Colt McCoy. We think that he's poised for a breakout year."
"See ya, I don't want to be y'all's next whipping boy."
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Peter king is saying no team in NFL history has ever traded 3 first round picks before ... I can't think of any and glad we weren't the ones to do it....especially with the new rookie wage scale
When it gets cold and snows and the wind blows, you gotta be able to run the ball. - TR
Just to let you guys know, the redskins didn't trade 3 first round picks. They will swap this year's first round picks and give the Rams 2 first round picks and a 2nd.
They are giving up 2 first round picks and a 2nd. Not 3....
I don't see this front office settling for a cobble of mid-round picks to move up from 6 to 4.
I think they would demand (in light of what the Rams received from Washington) would indeed be something akin to what I listed. The two 2nd rounders and a future (2 years out) first rounder. I think I could live with that trade back with the Rams.
Imagine the #6, #22, #33, #37, #39! That's 5 picks in the top 40 of the draft! I'd take that alone to move back from #4 to #6.
Quote: Just to let you guys know, the redskins didn't trade 3 first round picks. They will swap this year's first round picks and give the Rams 2 first round picks and a 2nd.
They are giving up 2 first round picks and a 2nd. Not 3....
From the first post in this thread . . .
"Glazer says that the team will swap first-round picks in 2012, with St. Louis taking the No. 6 pick. The Rams also get two future first-round picks and additional selections, one of which is believed to be a second-rounder."
There could be even more than the swap, 2 firsts, and the second . . .
And just the swap and the 2 firsts is way too much in my book . . .l
Quote: Just to let you guys know, the redskins didn't trade 3 first round picks. They will swap this year's first round picks and give the Rams 2 first round picks and a 2nd.
They are giving up 2 first round picks and a 2nd. Not 3....
I've seen some bad first posts before but that is a shameful entrance to the board.
Starts off condescending then proceeds to demonstrate no understanding of basic English or elementary math. Swap means trade. Swapping this year and two future years ... Equals 3.
Run along now Troll.
When it gets cold and snows and the wind blows, you gotta be able to run the ball. - TR
Quote: Just to let you guys know, the redskins didn't trade 3 first round picks. They will swap this year's first round picks and give the Rams 2 first round picks and a 2nd.
They are giving up 2 first round picks and a 2nd. Not 3....
That #39 pick overall is almost like a first rounder. Even at that, it is still 3 first round picks. This year's first, next years first, and the following year's first rounders, plus the second this year! That's insane! The Rams robbed the Redskins!
In all honesty though, people make it sound like they are giving away 3 1st round picks, and they aren't. They are getting one back.
I'm going to go back to projectile vomiting now.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I genuinely liked RGIII over Barkley. I think Bakrley will be yet another Socal QB who flops the NFL. I should have known better the football gods would smite me yet again. Why couldn't my dad be anything other than a Browns fan....
Book it we're getting Matt "Noodle Arm" Flynn or Ryan "Small Hands" Tannehill.
I imagine there are many in Washington who feel the same way right now
I bet Washington is celebrating right now, and this probably ensures Obama's re-election. (just th throw in everyone's other favorite topic ...... and to show that I haven't totally lost my sense of humor ...... just that it's taken a morbid, graveyard kind of turn)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins.
This doesn't make any sense. So we offered the same picks, but they took the Redskins deal instead? If that is true something fishy is going on.
I think that the Redskins probably leaked this little tidbit to show their fans that they had to offer what they did.
The league should make future first round picks, or any draft picks, more than 24 months in the future, unable to be traded.
For the record, I'm not too Happy or too Sad about this news.
There are still a dirth of quarterbacks out there.. ( is dirth a word?) There's alot of QB's out there alot alot alot of them,
If you shake the dice, throw them down and put 32 musical chairs of starting QB spots on NFL teams, these guys still don't have a place to be. Peyton Manning is going to be somewher, Flynn is going to be somewhere and if Manning goes to KC, then Cassell will have to go somewhere, and Orton started a whole year for Cassell because he was injured, and Kolb is going somewhere and the Raiders won't have both Campbell and Carson Palmer.
Oh well!, Manning to Miami, Flynn to Seattle, and Herman Cain to Cleveland.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
You do know that dearth means a lack of, or shortage, right?
There are a lot of good QBs we'll never get, and a lot of crappy QBs.one of which we'll probably wind up with.
Man, I have to hope that we get Weeden in the 2nd now ..... and the Rams will probably trade down with someone in the 2nd too, and screw us again.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I understand you're upset because you wanted RG3 because you believe he's going to be a good QB.
But Trading all those picks doesn't guarantee that..
Part of me thinks he's going to fail now, not because they traded 3 firsts (even though according to some, 1st round picks are the ONLY way a team can aquire talent)
I don't think anyone, coach or player, can succeed in the Daniel Snyder lead Washington Redskins organization...
And now you add all of the pressure of being the guy they traded 3 1st round picks for.. and It's downhill from here...
But, while everyone will be like "see told ya so!" I won't, because I don't think he ever really had a chance to begin with...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
I think that they will go sign a WR, and a couple of other free agent pieces, maybe even Peyton Hillis who would be a good fit there, and be off to the races. (although they reportedly like Helu, who showed a lot as a rookie)
Washington was average or above in almost every offensive and defensive category. They also get Hightower back.and he's a solid RB. They have Moss and Gaffney, both average WRs at least. This is the right year to go find a upper level WR in free agency, and they now have a great selling point. They'll get Fred Davis back from suspension, and Chris Cooley back from IR at TE. They also will have Trent Williams back.
They are ready for a QB to step in, while adding a few key pieces in free agency.
I think that they'll win at least 7 games next year, and then be off to the races.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Now that I thought about it... With the fact that the trade can't actually happen until Tuesday, I wonder if this is a PR test by Washington?
Put out the trade ow, and see how your fanbase reacts, and if it's anything like YT said their Message Board is, you can go through with it without the fear of fan revolt...
I doubt teams base decisions solely on fan reaction, but you need a fan base for a team to survive, and if they put this out now, and the entire fan base threw their arms up and screamed, they could then change their minds before tuesday...
Just a thought..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
If they did that, probably no one would trade with the Redskins for a long, long time.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Saw this while at work and couldn't believe it. Sure, we all had opinions of what it'd take to get Griffin, who was interested, and when it'd happen, but did any of us really see it happening just like this? I can't think of anyone who said it would. I was absolutely certain it'd take our two firsts, and was very sure we'd have to throw in another pick. I had no idea that in addition to that extra pick, it would cost us yet ANOTHER first rounder.
Three. First. Round. Picks. (nevermind whatever the other pick or picks are).
Well, I wanted to see Griffin III as a Brown, but that's more than I would have wanted to pay. Snyder always gets his man, even when he has to sell his mother's eternal soul to do it.
Ok, not gonna dwell on what could have been. There'll be time for that in five seasons. Time to focus on the facts:
1) Any belief that Heckert and Holmgren don't believe in 1st round QB's has been debunked. 2) Any belief that Heckert and Holmgren feel that McCoy is the future has been debunked. 3) At the absolute least we are going to have our choice of players which include but aren't limited to the best LT prospect to come along in years, the best RB prospect to come along since Peterson, a very safe bet at WR or a very safe bet at CB. 4) We have two first-round selections if we don't make a move and three of the top 37 picks in this draft. 5) We could have more than three of the top 37 picks in this draft if we are willing to slide back. 6) Dan Snyder is about to become the greatest "all-in" gambler in history, or the biggest punchline in history.
So, I feel less confident about Claiborne than I do any of the rest. I'd be perfectly content taking Kalil and making him play right tackle. I'd be perfectly content taking Richardson and forgetting about the RB position for the next 8 years. I'd be perfectly content taking Blackmon and forgetting about the #1 receiver position for the next 8 seasons. I'd even be perfectly content trading down with the Rams and going with the next tier of players, but wouldn't do it for anything less than one of their newly acquired #1 picks.
I'm somewhat deflated that we have lost out on Griffin, but in terms of where we now stand, it's hard to be anything but excited.
So how about some predictions...
There's no way in Hell the Vikings will pass on Kalil. Charlie freakin' Johnson? Yeah, right.
So that's gonna leave us with Blackmon, Richardson, Claiborne, or a trade. Are any of those guys so exciting that another team is gonna be willing to give us a ransom to drop further down the draft? I don't really think so, but there is one exception. The key is Brandon freakin' Lloyd. If the Rams lose him and can't acquire a big-name free agent, they just may be willing to trade us a future #1 so they can get Blackmon.
I think Blackmon is our guy with Richardson #2 and Claiborne #3. If we trade down, well, it all depends on where we land.
The only slam-dunk winner today is the Rams. For a bunch of losers, they sure feel like winners today...
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
Quote: 1) Any belief that Heckert and Holmgren don't believe in 1st round QB's has been debunked. 2) Any belief that Heckert and Holmgren feel that McCoy is the future has been debunked.
Just want to say - this all depends on the rumor of us being that interested - how do we know that St. Louis wasn't just making that up to increase the price for Washington? Certainly if we weren't interested, the Rams were going to tell as media members as possible that we were.
Not saying it's not true - but at this point I only trust interest that I see come out in actual deals -- not even 100% trusting this one until the trade is actually made.
Well, Django (and YTown among others), looks like I was right about the trade getting done well before the draft. Let's just all thank God that we didn't outbid Washington here.
All because they didn't give up much needed picks for your short lived man crush of RG3?
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(just th throw in everyone's other favorite topic ...... and to show that I haven't totally lost my sense of humor ...... just that it's taken a morbid, graveyard kind of turn)
