I agree. If we do trade down I want it far enough to get a 1st next year, and 14 is in that range for sure, but there would have to be something decent this year,,,,2nd I suppose.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
Would absolutely love it. (#14, #45 and a 2013 1st???) That might be a tad high though (#14 and #45 is 1550 points against #1800 for 4... though I think the value of top picks has increased under the new CBA.)
But my guess is they are offering a 2013 2nd and we will try to hold out for a first.
Not sure if Michael Floyd would still be there at 14, but he'd be my target for sure.
Unless they feel they NEED the PREMIER prospect at a certain position, you can slide back grab a first next year, get more players this year, and still fill all of your needs...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Quote: The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
That would get us a 1st next year..
And possibly put us in position to grab either Martin, or maybe Ingram..
I. Am. A. Fan.
Martin Probable ... Ingram NAC.
He will be looked at by 34 teams as a LBer and 43 teams as a DE. He appeals to both equally high.
If I could grab our RT and get a 1st next year and a 2nd or a 3rd this year, then I would do it in a half a heartbeat and hey we still have our 22nd pick in the first round.
Quote: The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
That would get us a 1st next year..
And possibly put us in position to grab either Martin, or maybe Ingram..
I. Am. A. Fan.
Martin Probable ... Ingram NAC.
He will be looked at by 34 teams as a LBer and 43 teams as a DE. He appeals to both equally high.
If I could grab our RT and get a 1st next year and a 2nd or a 3rd this year, then I would do it in a half a heartbeat and hey we still have our 22nd pick in the first round.
What if they did this trade and shocked everyone..Coby Fleener. This board would probably explode..but he is a nice player! This month couldn't go fast enough!
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Quote: The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
Would absolutely love it. (#14, #45 and a 2013 1st???) That might be a tad high though (#14 and #45 is 1550 points against #1800 for 4... though I think the value of top picks has increased under the new CBA.)
But my guess is they are offering a 2013 2nd and we will try to hold out for a first.
Not sure if Michael Floyd would still be there at 14, but he'd be my target for sure.
That would be a huge risk to take on Floyd falling to #14.
But I like the thought.
I think that he and Blackmon are a cut above the rest (WR's) in this draft. Hill has a lot of potential, but he'll need time to develop I believe.
Randle I don't see the potential there as a #1. Sanu I think could be a good pick and possibly be a #1 down the road at 37, but 22 might be reaching too much.
Wright is probably better suited for the slot (imo) in our WCO and I'm not taking a #3 WR that high with Norwood already on board.
Quote: I had Coby Fleener going in the first round a long time ago ( couple weeks ago hehe) and some thought that I was off my rocker, then.
LOL I guess the worm has turned.
He is an unbelievable talent from the TE position, but I think Green could be also and we can probably get him in the 3rd if we so chose.
Seeing his highlight tape and looking at his numbers for the first time, I was really impressed. He averaged like 22 yards a catch or something like that. Not sure if he is a blocker or not. Haven't really checked into the TE position at all but see we are having Green in for a visit.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
I probably value free safety more than anyone on this board. I think it is a more valuable position in the NFL than corner. Strong safety can be found all over. If we drafted Claiborne and moved him to safety I wouldnt complain.
RB in this draft has less value for me due to the depth at the position although Richardson is the #2 player overall, behind Luck. I see 6 backs as first round talents.
Quote: The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
That would get us a 1st next year..
And possibly put us in position to grab either Martin, or maybe Ingram..
I. Am. A. Fan.
The more I think about Toad's assertion that we are still in full blown re-build mode the more I think I'm a fan of this as well. IF I decide that I'm writing this season off and I'm OK.. (gawd I hate to say this) with another 2 - 5 win season, then I want to accumulate picks. One's, two's and three's please.
The caveat being that Heckert hits some home runs this draft. There are things we absolutely have to have work out for us in this draft so that what we do next year is a logical progression.
If I reject Toad, then I'm starting to think I have to lean towards Richardson / Claiborne / Blackmon and prolly in that order.
I guess I'd also need to hear what the Boys are offering for the 4.
Hmmph... I still haven't decided what I think about this whole draft.
As a post-script, I'm getting a bang out of all these guys celebrating how we have 13 picks.. we do and we don't. Most if not all these late round sixes and sevens won't amount to squat let alone make the practice squad. If I get 3 starters out of a draft I'm pretty pleased.
It's a deep runningback class, and IMO runningbacks are a dime a dozen.
Every once is a while you come across a special player like a Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith, or Adrian Petersen, but for the most part nearly all the players, within reason, who are given the touches are going to gain solid yardage.
It's like baseball closer's. Nintey % of the challenge is finding a manager who gives you the ball in the 9th inning on a regular basis. I am over 60 but if given ten 9th inning chances, could probably manage 1 save.
Ok.....that is a stretch......if given the chances when I was 35, no doubt in my mind. Same holds for most of you.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Deepest RB class I have seen in 10 years maybe. Richardson, Miller, Martin, Wilson, James, Turbin I consider all first round talent level and then you have Pead, Pierce Creen. Lots of talented backs.
Quote: I probably value free safety more than anyone on this board. I think it is a more valuable position in the NFL than corner. Strong safety can be found all over. If we drafted Claiborne and moved him to safety I wouldnt complain.
RB in this draft has less value for me due to the depth at the position although Richardson is the #2 player overall, behind Luck. I see 6 backs as first round talents.
Well we don't have any top flight FS in this Draft. Barron is a SS and I think so too is Harrison Smith and those are the top 2 Safeties in this years class.
I like this years RB class and think that you can find some good ones in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
Richardson is a good prospect and I wont take anything away from him there, but I don't think that he is the #2 talent in this Draft. Top 10 yes.
Quote: Deepest RB class I have seen in 10 years maybe. Richardson, Miller, Martin, Wilson, James, Turbin I consider all first round talent level and then you have Pead, Pierce Creen. Lots of talented backs.
Pead I consider a 3rd down back.
I still like Chris Polk in the 3rd as well. There is 10 right there.
Last year we got a first, second, fourth, and a future number one pick to move from pick six to pick twenty-seven.
I would be happy with that same package to move from pick four to pick fourteen. But I don't think that it would be likely. Maybe a fist, third, fifth, and future first rounder?
Obviously Dallas isn't going to give us their first 3 picks this year.
Why not? Because on the surface it seems to be quite a bit?
Lemme paint a picture...
The Cowboys absolutely believe they are a Super Bowl team. Jerry Jones believes Romo is a Super Bowl QB. Romo only has a couple more years of "prime" left in his game. The consensus in the NFL circles is that the Cowboys would be a really strong contender IF they actually had any DB's. If Jones feels as though he can acquire his version of Revis at the cost of a 2nd and 3rd this year with a low 1st rounder next year, hey, why is that such a difficult proposition to accept?
I think it would cost the Cowboys AT LEAST that. They'd have to pay a premium to get us out of the #4 hole, just as how the Deadskins had to pay a premium because the Rams REALLY had them by the short hairs.
If Jones has to get his guy, he'll have to pay a premium to do it.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
If we did move with Dallas it just changes the name with the first pick. You get in to the mid teens and names like Floyd, DeCastro, and Keuchly start to make sense.
I could warm up to the idea of another 2nd rounder this year, somewhere around pick #46 and another 1st rounder next year.
If we are going to build through the draft, having a bunch of top 50 picks is the way to do it. That would give us 4 this year and 4 next year.
I still see QB as this teams biggest issue but I do like top 50 picks.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Scout on Dontari Poe: Watch him play, he didn’t do anything Posted by Michael David Smith on April 1, 2012, 7:38 AM EDT
The excitement from Dontari Poe’s phenomenal Scouting Combine performance is starting to fade in the eyes of many league observers, who are turning their attention back to Poe’s tape — and not liking what they’re seeing.
Poe, the Memphis defensive tackle who took the Combine by storm by running a 4.87-second 40-yard dash at 346 pounds and bench-pressing 225 pounds 44 times, does not impress many of those who have watched him play.
“He’ll be overdrafted,” one personnel man told the Times of Trenton. “He did all of that at the Combine, so some team will take him way higher than he should go. I mean watch him play, just watch. He didn’t do anything. And he wasn’t playing at a very high level, either. All I know is he had one sack last year and it came against Austin Peay. You probably didn’t even know Austin Peay had a football team.”
When Poe announced in December that he was entering the NFL draft, he said he’d been told he projected as a second-rounder who could move into the first round with a good Combine. Poe didn’t have a good Combine — he had a great Combine — and he started being discussed as a Top 5 pick.
So those who watched him bench press and run 40 yards in a straight line are more impressed than those who watched him play football. That’s not a good sign.
Ok.....that is a stretch......if given the chances when I was 35, no doubt in my mind. Same holds for most of you.
That's only because after my first pitch the batter would be on the ground laughing so hard he wouldn't be able to get up.....
I'll be 37 this year and I can still get it up into the mid to high 70's. I can't hold my arm up for a week but it's fun when I get to unload..
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Quote: The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
Would absolutely love it. (#14, #45 and a 2013 1st???) That might be a tad high though (#14 and #45 is 1550 points against #1800 for 4... though I think the value of top picks has increased under the new CBA.)
But my guess is they are offering a 2013 2nd and we will try to hold out for a first.
Not sure if Michael Floyd would still be there at 14, but he'd be my target for sure.
There’s a rarely discussed draft option for the Browns that makes a lot of sense. It’s really very appealing.
This option involves a trade down. Not far, mind you, a few spots.
Here’s the scenario: The Browns trade their No. 4 overall pick in the first round and move down four, five spots, acquire an extra second- or third-round pick and take Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd. Then they take a running back and offensive tackle and perhaps a quarterback before the third round is over.
Floyd is the second-best receiver coming out. He’s bigger than Justin Blackmon — 6-foot-3 as opposed to 6-1 — and reportedly ran the 40-yard dash in 4.42 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine.
He’s also from Notre Dame, which kind of/sort of gives him Irish ties, always a plus.
The problem: Floyd had drinking issues in college.
He was suspended indefinitely in March 2011 after being cited for driving with a blood-alcohol content of 0.19, more than twice the Indiana limit of 0.08. It was his third alcohol-related run-in with the law since 2009. He was reinstated in August.
“Just immaturity,” he said at the combine. “You know, people all the time have mistakes like this. Unfortunately it happened to me on a big stage going across the nation. It’s about moving forward. It’s about making sure you don’t make the same mistake again.”
Well, with all respect, people don’t “all the time” have mistakes like this. In fact, many people have never been arrested for a DUI.
So to shrug it off is not simple.
A guy does not go from immature to mature overnight unless he’s willing to make a significant change in approach and lifestyle. What did Floyd do to stay clean his senior season?
“I went out less,” he said. “That was probably it. Just kind of changed the whole environment around me. Friends. Just guys that I wouldn’t have to be in that position of having to do things that would potentially put me in a troubled positions.
“I went to alcohol classes at school with a certain counselor with a whole bunch of kids from Notre Dame that were kind of going through some problems, too. It was a good experience and I liked it.”
There will be a lot of digging on Floyd by NFL teams who will want to be certain he is sincere and clean.
If he is, and if he can stay away from trouble, he’s one heck of a player. Floyd holds Notre Dame’s all-time marks in touchdowns (37), receptions (266), receiving yards (3,645) and 100-yard games (17). He caught 79 and 100 passes his last two years at Notre Dame.
He played in coach Brian Kelly’s pass-happy offense, but Floyd is big and fast, has good hands and plays hard.
In short, he’s a bigger, maybe faster version of Blackmon.
Browns general manager Tom Heckert is not afraid of guys with attitude. He took Greg Little after he’d been suspended for his senior (2010) season in North Carolina and took DeSean Jackson in Philadelphia, and Jackson is no wallflower.
If Floyd is OK mentally, he’s a player.
And the notion of the Browns having five picks in the first three rounds, with the first used on Floyd, is pretty appealing.
Pretty much my worst case scenario for the 1st pick...last DUI was just a year ago...give this guy a couple of millions and he will go all Diva on you...he barely got his act together the last 12 months so he can cash in...when he has the money on his account, I don't want to be the GM gambling on him staying clean and trying to become the player his talent suggests...it's as probably that he goes out and parties...and I don't blame him either, I would do the same ...but if I'm GM it's an unnecessary business risk, simply too much boom or bust
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Pretty much my worst case scenario for the 1st pick...last DUI was just a year ago...give this guy a couple of millions and he will go all Diva on you...he barely got his act together the last 12 months so he can cash in...when he has the money on his account, I don't want to be the GM gambling on him staying clean and trying to become the player his talent suggests...it's as probably that he goes out and parties...and I don't blame him either, I would do the same ...but if I'm GM it's an unnecessary business risk, simply too much boom or bust that early for a position that the draft is deep in
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When he didnt want to go back into the game during their bowl game that was the final straw for me with this kid. He will be a dolphin however. ireland isn't afraid of the diva types.
Floyd and Little.. together?? . Whoaaa... imagine that..
Two bad "shut ur mouth" kind of WR's on our team.. I actually love it!!
I still kind of favor getting Trent Richardson, but hey.. if we can get a RB in the 2nd with the extra picks we pick up.. I'm down. Cuz we gotta get this air game going.
Floyd to me is this years Julio Jones.. except he has off the field issues.
Quote: At the end of the day, Hill and Jeffery will be the 2 best WRs. I am really starting to think that one of those will be our pick 22.
I'm really campaigning hard for Jeffery.. He has an uncanny ability to jump over defenders to make a catch..
Only thing that bothers me is he does everything ugly.. lol.. he runs routes ugly.. he catches ugly.. but he gets the job done. He has so much wasted motion (which benefits NFL CB's) that if he could clean it up a bit.. he would have a lil more finesse and speed to add to his game.
One DUI would give me pause on Floyd, but probably not keep me from drafting him. It happens. But 3 alcohol-related events (not sure they were all DUI's) is a problem, imo. I'd stay away.
Would be the best case scenario for me - I have Floyd as the best WR in this class. Very physical receiver with great speed and the ability to go up and get the ball. What differentiates him from Jeffery in my mind (who I also really like), is the exactness of his routes - which I think is a weakness of Jeffery.
Of course, I'm just watching game film - maybe he's really a crazy person? This is something I expect the team to be able to sort out. But I definitely don't see any "diva" attitude on the field - especially not compared to Blackmon. Floyd is a truly ferocious run blocker who does all the little things on the field, even when he's not going to get the ball.
I love huge run blockers at the WR position - it's one of those things where different first round WRs will be completely different on. Any first round WR is going to be fast with good hands and the ability to go get the ball - but Floyd is easily 10x the run-blocker that Blackmon is, and it's something that can really help your team. It also sets a higher floor for Floyd.
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...but if I'm GM it's an unnecessary business risk, simply too much boom or bust