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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82...than-his-brownsAfter he was fired by the Cleveland Browns and sat out the 2009 season to recover from hip-replacement surgery, Romeo Crennel wasn't sure another head-coaching opportunity would come along. Now he's in command of the Kansas City Chiefs and feeling more prepared than before to take on the role. "I think that the talent base here is a better talent base than we had in Cleveland when I first got there, because when I first got there, I think the (first-round) draft choices from the last two or three years were not even on the team," Crennel told Cleveland Browns Daily on Tuesday. "And when you talk about having a nucleus and building a nucleus of the team, you try to build it through the draft. Your draft picks are the guys that you want to be around for a while, and we didn't have any. (Not news to the city of Cleveland.) "We had to kind of piecemeal and go into free agency and grab guys here and there and then try and get some guys in the draft," Crennel said. "And we really didn't have a quarterback, and this league is a quarterback league and you gotta have one of those. ... There were a lot of things that we had to work through to try to build that program. "... This time around, because of the experience I had in Cleveland, I think I can better handle the things that will come at me as a head coach." Good news for the Chiefs, but for the Browns, it's another case of a coach learning on the job before moving on to success elsewhere. Before Crennel, there was Bill Belichick, whose icy relationship with the Cleveland media during his tenure is well-documented. Three Super Bowls appeared to cheer him up some in New England.
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hehehe! This should be a fun one 
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Tough to argue with a single point that he made.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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"... This time around, because of the experience I had in Cleveland, I think I can better handle the things that will come at me as a head coach."
Damn that sounds familiar. 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Everybody learns from experience.
The cook doesn't have to shop for the ingredients, but he sure as heck better be able to reject them.
Here, Romeo didn't have roster control. As I remember, Savage had that control.
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"... This time around, because of the experience I had in Cleveland, I think I can better handle the things that will come at me as a head coach."
Damn that sounds familiar.
Mangini? Is that you?
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And we didn't have a very good Coach or staff either...Under Romeo's watch we went 24-40 including two 4-12 seasons and a 6-10 season. They drafted their so called franchise QB and auctioned off their 2008 draft. What did he do to make this team better? He had A Franchise Left Tackle, 1st round WR and TE, 1st round DE, DQ, and they drafted Quinn. Dilfer was the QB of choice when he got here and a first round selection. His biggest mistake was letting certain guys do whatever they wanted..He had no respect. Romeo's time here in Starters and drafts, not counting the coin flip.
2008 4-12-0
QB D Anderson
RB J Lewis
FB L Vickers
WR D Stallworth
WR B Edwards
TE S Heiden
LT J Thomas*
LG E Steinbach
C H Fraley
RG R Hadnot
RT K Shaffer
LDE C Williams
NT S Rogers*
RDE S Smith
LOLB W McGinest
LILB A Davis
RILB D Jackson
ROLB K Wimbley
LCB E Wright
RCB B McDonald
SS S Jones
FS B Pool
K P Dawson
P D Zastudil
PR J Cribbs
KR J Cribbs
2007 10-6-0
QB D Anderson*
RB J Lewis
FB L Vickers
WR J Jurevicius
WR B Edwards*
TE K Winslow Jr.*
LT J Thomas*
LG E Steinbach
C H Fraley
RG S McKinney
RT K Shaffer
LDE S Smith
NT E Kelley
RDE R Smith
LOLB W McGinest
LILB A Davis
RILB D Jackson
ROLB K Wimbley
LCB E Wright
RCB L Bodden
SS S Jones
FS B Pool
K P Dawson
P D Zastudil
PR J Cribbs*
KR J Cribbs*
2006 4-12-0
QB C Frye
RB R Droughns
FB T Smith
WR J Jurevicius
WR B Edwards
TE K Winslow Jr.
LT K Shaffer
LG J Andruzzi
C H Fraley
RG C Coleman
RT R Tucker
LDE O Roye
NT T Washington
RDE A McKinley
LOLB W McGinest
LILB A Davis
RILB D Jackson
ROLB K Wimbley
LCB L Bodden
RCB D Holly
SS S Jones
FS B Russell
K P Dawson
P D Zastudil
PR D Northcutt
KR J Cribbs
2005 6-10-0
QB T Dilfer
RB R Droughns
FB T Smith
WR D Northcutt
WR A Bryant
TE S Heiden
LT L Shelton
LG J Andruzzi
C J Faine
RG C Coleman
RT R Tucker
LDE O Roye
NT J Fisk
RDE A McKinley
LOLB M Stewart
LILB A Davis
RILB B Taylor
ROLB C Thompson
LCB D McCutcheon
RCB L Bodden
SS C Crocker
FS B Russell
K P Dawson
P K Richardson
PR D Northcutt
KR J Cribbs
2008 4 104 Beau Bell LB
2008 4 111 Martin Rucker TE
2008 6 190 Ahtyba Rubin DT
2008 6 191 Paul Hubbard WR
2008 7 231 Alex Hall LB
2007 1 3 Joe Thomas T
2007 1 22 Brady Quinn QB
2007 2 53 Eric Wright DB
2007 5 140 Brandon McDonald DB
2007 6 200 Melila Purcell DE
2007 7 213 Chase Pittman DE
2007 7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR
2006 1 13 Kamerion Wimbley DE
2006 2 34 D'Qwell Jackson LB
2006 3 78 Travis Wilson WR
2006 4 110 Leon Williams LB
2006 4 112 Isaac Sowells T
2006 5 145 Jerome Harrison RB
2006 5 152 DeMario Minter DB
2006 6 180 Lawrence Vickers FB
2006 6 181 Babatunde Oshinowo DT
2006 7 222 Justin Hamilton RB
2005 1 3 Braylon Edwards WR
2005 2 34 Brodney Pool DB
2005 3 67 Charlie Frye QB
2005 4 103 Antonio Perkins DB
2005 5 139 David McMillan DE
2005 6 176 Nick Speegle LB
2005 6 203 Andrew Hoffman DT
2005 7 217 Jon Dunn T
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Good luck, Romeo. You failed here. You've made your excuse for why. You have now stated you have more talent in KC. You better be able to back it up.
I'm not betting on you.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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well, he does have more talent in KC and they play in an easier division (even with Peyton). I'd say he does better than 24-40 overall, but not sure that means he's a success there either
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First of all Clevesteve the part I read says
" talent base better than the Browns when I first got there " So it's not as shocking a statement as the title of this thread. It's not as much of a put down of the Browns today.
2nd of all, What's he supposed to say He's in KC now.
3rd of all, Matt Cassell swings the pendulum about 20 degrees by himself.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Thanks Captain Obvious...
The Browns were 6-10 the year before he got here, the Chiefs were 10-6 and in the playoffs the year before he started...
So in his first year here he went backwards to 4-12, shot up to 10-6.. then back to 4-12... We're trying to build a football team, not a roller coaster.
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That 2008 team was snakebitten by injuries from the get-go and still were two defensive meltdowns away from being 6-4, at which point we started losing QBs to season-ending injuries at a rate of about one per game.
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I saw Travis Wilson third round pick on that list, and couldn't help but laughing. "i'm the best WR in the draft"....... I just shake my head once again.....
Biggest problem with Romeo was his clock management. Guy was just confused from the get go. For KC's sake, i hope he figured it out. Or just get used to looking at a flabbergasted expression every other week as precious seconds tick off the clock.
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Nothing mentioned about Country Club Crennel? I imagine KC will be one of the most penalized teams next year.
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Thanks Captain Obvious...
The Browns were 6-10 the year before he got here, the Chiefs were 10-6 and in the playoffs the year before he started...
So in his first year here he went backwards to 4-12, shot up to 10-6.. then back to 4-12... We're trying to build a football team, not a roller coaster.
Not to nitpick, but it was the other way around. He took a team that was 4-12 to 6-10 in 2005. For some reason completely unbeknownst to me in 2006 he regressed to 4-12. The next year we had the breakout 10-6 just to fall back to 4-12 the year after that.
I think he has more of a chance to succeed this time since someone like Pioli should be on the same page as him unlike Savage. However, there were plenty of times when Romeo did stuff that made me go "HUH!?!?!?"
Hopefully he's learned because I do like him as a person. I would like to see him succeed unless it's against us.
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Damn that sounds familiar.
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I was thinking more of Belichick, who has said similar things in the past.
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"And when you talk about having a nucleus and building a nucleus of the team, you try to build it through the draft. Your draft picks are the guys that you want to be around for a while, and we didn't have any.
Thats as much a shot at the GM's that were there before Crennel got there as it was at Savage when you think about it.
Didn't RAC inherit KW and what was our centers name that was a first round pick?.. damn,, escapes me at the moment.. But that's it. Thats all he had from the previous first rounds picks..
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"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Yes, we invested a 3rd round pick at center in 2002 (Melvin Fowler), a first round pick in 2003 (Jeff Faine) and another first round pick in 2009 (Alex Mack)... all in the center position... and people wonder why we have had trouble building a team.. 
I bet most teams don't invest more than 1 mid to high round pick in that position more than once every 7 or 8 years.. and we have 3 in 8 years... Thats the opportunity cost of having to leave other positions go untouched when you have to keep drafting the same position over and over and over again.
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And don't forget the Millions we gave LeCharles Bentley for one training camp snap
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yeah, all those high draft picks, the high-profile FA signing and we still ended up starting a guy the Eagles were going to cut at center for a year
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I thought he snapped both knees...
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You are right.. totally forgot about him... of course that only makes me feel worse so THANKS!!! 
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It always cracks me up how Brown's Fans want to heap the blame on Romeo but give Phil Savage a break. Please, I wonder what the wonder kid Phil is doing now.. thats right, he is bagging groceries at the Piggly Wiggly.
Romeo had to deal with a GM who was undermining him all the time AND who could not pick talent! Then crap talent kept getting hurt.** please remember the amount of players we had on I/R those years **. When he tried to discipline the problem children( Edwards and Easy Rider Winslow), it was Savage who the kids ran too!.. Then to top it off, you have an assistant coach trying to take your job.. BTW. where is Todd Grantham?? Oh yea, he was so good, he is coaching college kids now!..
Romeo will do better automatically based on experience and having a decent GM!
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You post that roster and draft picks like that is some Championship Caliber stuff. That is barely NFL Europe ready!!...LMAO!!
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Yeah,, that's the guy, Thanks
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It always cracks me up how Brown's Fans want to heap the blame on Romeo but give Phil Savage a break. Please, I wonder what the wonder kid Phil is doing now.. thats right, he is bagging groceries at the Piggly Wiggly.
Last I heard, he was working for the Eagles in some capacity.....
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It always cracks me up how Brown's Fans want to heap the blame on Romeo but give Phil Savage a break. Please, I wonder what the wonder kid Phil is doing now.. thats right, he is bagging groceries at the Piggly Wiggly.
Last I heard, he was working for the Eagles in some capacity.....
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It always cracks me up how Brown's Fans want to heap the blame on Romeo but give Phil Savage a break. Please, I wonder what the wonder kid Phil is doing now.. thats right, he is bagging groceries at the Piggly Wiggly.
Last I heard, he was working for the Eagles in some capacity.....
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Yup,,, thats what I thought,,, Thanks for the confirmation
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It always cracks me up how Brown's Fans want to heap the blame on Romeo but give Phil Savage a break. Please, I wonder what the wonder kid Phil is doing now.. thats right, he is bagging groceries at the Piggly Wiggly.
Last I heard, he was working for the Eagles in some capacity.....
I wonder if it was Savage's research that convinced the Eagles' Brass into swapping first round picks plus giving Denver 2 mid round picks in order to move up and select Michigan's Brandon Graham in round 1.
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Savage is also an analyst for Alabama.
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Romeo didn't have roster control. As I remember, Savage had that control.
I am not so sure that he didnt have ANY roster control (e.g. Willie McG and Big Ted) but he certainly didnt have control of his own time outs.
I wish RAC well but to make excuses for him is irresponsible.
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