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LeCharles Bentley Thinks Browns Will Trade Down; Confident In Colt McCoy

Bentley lmao, I am sure he has some great sources. maybe during one of his lawsuits he can get Holmgren on the stand and ask him what the Browns are going to do on draft day.

That was about 5 minutes after he put it on and about 3 minutes from never having to put it on again. Amazing what we have witnessed in this town.

NFL Draft Rumors: Colts, Riley Reiff, Brock Osweiler, Luke Kuechly, 49ers, Quinton Coples

Written By: Nate Bouda
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April 18, 2012

Indianapolis Colts new GM Ryan Grigson mentioned that they’ve ”pretty much made up our mind” regrading who they’ll take with the #1 overall pick in this year’s draft.

“We’ve exhausted the process,” said Grigson, Mike Chappell. “Pretty much made up our mind.”

Obviously, Grigson didn’t specifically mention who they were leaning towards, but it’s widely assumed that the Colts will be taking Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
Riley Reiff

Russ Lande of the Sporting News mentions that sources have told him that NFL teams don’t see Iowa OT Riley Reiff as being as good of a prospect as the media believes he is. In fact, Lande mentions that Reiff could drop “toward the bottom of the first round” and possibly end up in the early second.

Lande adds that teams are concerned about his athleticism and short arms, which is something that has been talked about since this year’s scouting combine.

Even if this is the consensus, it’s only going to take one team like the Bills or the Cardinals to grab him in spite of the obvious concerns.
49ers

SI’s Tony Pauline writes that the 49ers will either take Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill or “the highest rated offensive guard” with their #30 overall pick.

49ers GM Trent Baalke mentioned that he’s targeting ”one player” in particular, but made no mention of who it may be.

Hill seems like a logical option for them despite adding Randy Moss and Mario Manningham during free agency. San Francisco has said that they would still like to find another receiver during the draft and Hill would given them a number of years, compared to what they’re expecting from Moss.
Quinton Coples

ESPN’s Todd McShay mentioned on today’s SportsCenter that UNC DE Quinton Coples could end up falling all the way down to the #17 overall, which is owned by the Bengals.

This coincides with what a number of draft experts have been saying recent weeks. Coples’ draft stock has dropped based on questions regarding his “motor” and underwhelming game tape from 2011. He’s still seen as one of the best defensive lineman in this year’s draft class but comes with plenty of risk, should someone take in the top fifteen picks.
Luke Kuechly

Russ Lande believes that Boston College LB Luke Kuechly “compares favorably” to Brian Urlacher and sees him being taking in the first 15 picks.

Lande adds that the Chiefs, Bears, and Lions could all have interest in him, should he still be available when they’re on the clock.

The only thing really hurting Kuechly right now is the position that he plays. Inside linebackers have seen their value drop some in recent years, but Kuechly is still one of the best prospects to come out in a while at the position.
Brock Osweiler

Russ Lande of the Sporting News writes that a several NFL sources have told him that their respective teams have “very high grades” on Arizona State QB Brock Osweiler.

Lande’s sources added that they would be ”shocked” if he wasn’t taken at some point in the second-round.

“Has the arm strength & great intangibles. … Osweiler could be a big star at the next level, but needs time,” said ESPN’s Todd McShay.

Osweiler will need some time to develop, but if there’s this much interest in him, he could end up being taken higher than many expected him to be. So far, he’s met with the Dolphins, Chiefs, Broncos and Seahawks.
Courtney Upshaw

Russ Lande also writes that Alabama DE Courtney Upshaw will likely end up dropping into the “20 to 40” range. Lande adds that Upshaw’s stock has fallen “over concerns about his edge pass-rush ability.”

This too appears to be the consensus among draft experts. Upshaw has been very disappointing through the draft process and character concerns have also come up as another reason why draft stock is dropping recently.

NFL teams apparently see him as a better fit in a 4-3 defensive front, than at OLB in a 3-4.
Nolan Nawrocki

Here are some notes collected by Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly from some NFL GM’s and personnel men.

Cordy Glenn

“When you evaluate (Georgia’s) Cordy Glenn at left tackle, you have to remember — he was out of shape and overweight,” said NFL executive

Ronnel Lewis

“I think (Oklahoma’s) Ronnell Lewis goes in the second, but to me, he’s a ‘reach’ guy. I wouldn’t touch him there, and he fits what we do,” said the personnel man.

Doug Martin

“If you watch 2011, there are games where he looks like nothing more than a free agent. I don’t see what everyone else is (seeing) on this year’s tape,” said the personnel man.

Alameda Ta’amu

“You don’t expect nose tackles to be good pass rushers, but (Washington’s)Alameda Ta’amu can really push the pocket,” said the league executive.

NFL Draft Notes

Maine S Trevor Coston will visit with the Packers today (Tony Pauline)
Baylor WR Kendall Wright will be visiting the Jets (Tony Pauline)
Mike Mayock mentioned that Oklahoma DE is Frank Alexander could be a sleeper to watch. “Somebody’s going to get a starting-quality DE in the 5th round.”
Boise State QB Kellen Moore visited the Saints (Aaron Wilson)
Iowa WR Marvin McNutt worked out for the Rams today. (Aaron Wilson)
Northern Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins has visited the Eagles, Colts and Rams. (Aaron Wilson)
Stanford G David DeCastro recently visited the Cowboys. (ESPN Dallas)
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Lande adds that teams are concerned about his athleticism and short arms, which is something that has been talked about since this year’s scouting combine.

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His arms are longer than Joe Thomas' and Jake Long's. Probably why they never made it in the NFL.

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ESPN’s Todd McShay mentioned on today’s SportsCenter that xxxxx xxxx xx x xxxx xx x x xxxx x xxx.

This coincides with what a number of draft experts have been saying recent weeks.

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He doesnt have their feet though. I do believe he might be quick enough to play RT but even that isn't a certainty. Hell we may have our choice at 22 or Reiff, Glenn, Martin, Merciless, Hill and Kenny Wright lmao everyone we have thought about for that position. Tough call on what direction to go. I really like Glenn, Merciless and Hill and Martin.

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Hell we may have our choice at 22 or Reiff, Glenn, Martin, Merciless, Hill and Kenny Wright lmao everyone we have thought about for that position. Tough call on what direction to go. I really like Glenn, Merciless and Hill and Martin.

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Thanks for narrowing it down.

You take Reiff at 22 for RT and never look back...if you can find another RT in the low rounds in the upcoming drafts you can get a boatload of picks for him...or you just keep him and have a dominant OL

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I really like Merciless and pass rushing DE is much higher on my value chart than RT. Pass rushing DE is just below QB for me and Merciless can rush with the best of them. I thought he would be one of the big jumpers in the draft but if he were to be there, it would be hard for me to pass on him.

Where do you think those 2 positions are for Heckert?

I agree... my #22 target list looks like:

1. Glenn
2. K. Wright
3. Mercilus
4. Kirkpatrick

I would imagine both are pretty high but for Heckert, I would say RT is every bit as high as DE. They took Shawn Andrews in the first. Guess it depends on which player for him as much as position.

Mercilus is VERY raw, he's basically an elite-project...he could be the next JPP or the next Gholston/Maybin...for me way too much risk at 22, I'd much rather take Curry at 37 or even 22...

Mercilus would not be an every down DE day 1

I actually think that RT would be higher rated then a pass rushing DE for Heckert. Heckert has said several times that he feels you can find pass rushing DE from the 2nd round to deep in the draft.

we have our run stuffer DE in Rucker. I see Merciless right now as a pass rushing DE not an every down DE. Probably take him a couple years to get to that point but it also keeps him fresh.

Just curious to what you guys think of Frank Alexander. I can't believe the guy is listed as a 5-7 round prospect. I have a late 2nd round grade on the guy.

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Toad's track record is better than the Browns. If he had been GM, god forbid, we'd actually be more competitive.

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I think that 2/3 of this board has a better track record than the Browns.

he is on my all underrated team with Trevathon, Jordan White, Bobbie Rainey. Right place, pro bowls in their future.

I could not resist the sig change....

Was checking out KFFL and saw this random blurb. More smoke . . .

The Cleveland Browns do not appear to have a lot of interest in Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill and likely will not consider him if he is available when they use their second first-round draft choice.

2012-04-15 14:15:47 | Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot

More like "loose interpretation."

Here's what Mary Kay actually said in the linked "reference"

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Hey, Mary Kay: I know I probably am not going to like the answer, but is there any indication the Browns have any interest in Stephen Hill from Georgia Tech? Speed and separation would complement Greg Little quite well. -- Chris Zanon, Canton

Hey, Chris: I haven't gotten the sense the Browns are hot on Hill's trail. I'd be surprised but not shocked if they draft him at No. 22.

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/whats_the_difference_between_j.html

I have to keep the "Evil Kirk" under wraps until draft day.....

It is laughable at this time of year.... and I enjoy it...

How we forget that Clausen dropping and the Browns moving up to get Hardesty could have been for McCoy...

I doubt if more than 5 guys know our real targets and those men aren't talking. Heck.. THEY don't even know for SURE who we will pick till we are actually on the clock. Too many variables. The draft room with the board on it is locked up tighter than Fort Knox this time of year and NO beat writer has any more of a clue than we do.

Ourlads is sticking to their guns:

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2012/04/19/miami-dolphins-7-round-mock-draft/

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Miami Dolphins’ 7-Round Mock Draft
Posted on April 19, 2012 by ProScoutDan


DOLPHINS’ NEEDS – QB, OL, DB, DL, WR, TE, LB, RB, SPT

Selection Numbers for all 8 picks

8 Riley Reiff OT Iowa
42 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
72 Marvin Jones WR California
73 Markelle Martin FS Oklahoma State
103 Sean Spence OB Miami
145 Desmond Wynn OG Rutgers
196 Frank Alexander DE Oklahoma
215 Brian Linthicum TE Michigan State

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They don't lose anything if they are wrong, but damn, they are idiots if they think Tannehill will slide to the 2nd round.

Granted, in terms of true slotting that's where he should go, but in the real world, QB's are taken higher because of the position.

Tannehill at 8 looks like the smart money.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/04/19/baylor-triplets-smoke-and-mirrors

Baylor 'triplets': Smoke and mirrors?
Posted April 19, 2012 @ 2:53 p.m. ET
By Nolan Nawrocki

Baylor WR Kendall Wright entered the season graded as a consensus third-round pick in the NFL scouting community and RB Terrance Ganaway was barely a blip on the radar. After Robert Griffin III led the Bears to a sensational season that brought the school's first Heisman Trophy to Waco, some of the magic dust sprinkled onto Wright and Ganaway, who also produced career numbers.

Wright began warranting first-round grades from evaluators late in the season, and Ganaway moved as high as the third round in the eyes of some evaluators. Postseason workouts had a sobering effect on both prospects.

The way we hear it, the hype machine has come full circle with Wright, as he remains parked in the third round on a number of draft boards, in large part because of his work ethic and approach.

“Randall Cobb was a lot better,” said one of the league’s best evaluators. “Wright is nowhere near as good with the ball in his hands and (Cobb) lasted 'til the back of the second (round). People are getting snookered — I did the first time I watched (Wright), seeing all the long TDs on the perimeter. Go back and watch how many tackles he really eludes and runs away from and tell me how many you find.”

More concerning to teams than the tape was how few bench-press reps Wright performed at his pro day, after electing not to participate in the bench-press test at the NFL Scouting Combine. He registered a mere four reps, which would have stood as the worst of the Combine, three fewer than Virginia CB Chase Minnifield.

Even more worrisome than his lack of strength was his 16 percent body fat, one of the highest percentages for a receiver in the past decade and indicative of a lack of discipline. The average Bod Pod test for a receiver is in the single digits. Purdue’s Keith Smith recorded the highest mark among receivers a year ago at 14.1 percent and stood 214 pounds. Smaller receivers like Wright, who measured 5-10 1/4, 197 pounds at Baylor's pro day in late March, are expected to be more sleek.

Ganaway is graded as a consensus fifth-round pick, although some teams remain higher on him, and most would prefer to get him in the sixth.

“Ganaway destroyed the bowl game,” a personnel director said, “but he did not get touched on any runs. I don’t like one-year producers.”

Griffin is locked into the second overall spot and warranted top-five grades from the evaluation community. However, he, too, has his detractors.

"His hands are small, he had the most fumbles of any of the quarterbacks in this year's draft, and he's also the Big 12 quarterback that has to go play in the cold," one savvy evaluator said. "But I'm the only one in our building that has a lot of concerns."

Said another veteran executive, "He's worth a first-round pick and probably top-10, but I don’t know if he is a great game-breaker yet, and I don't like the way he runs. He is a long-striding track guy who takes four steps to get going. He does not have great initial quick-running ability. And in my opinion, he holds the ball too long. But he can definitely throw it and lay it in. … I did not grade him as high as Donovan (McNabb) when he was coming out."

Nonetheless, Griffin will get the opportunity to prove that he can be better than McNabb in Washington. His Baylor mates might not be as fortunate on Draft Day.

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Even more worrisome than his lack of strength was his 16 percent body fat, one of the highest percentages for a receiver in the past decade and indicative of a lack of discipline. The average Bod Pod test for a receiver is in the single digits. Purdue’s Keith Smith recorded the highest mark among receivers a year ago at 14.1 percent and stood 214 pounds. Smaller receivers like Wright, who measured 5-10 1/4, 197 pounds at Baylor's pro day in late March, are expected to be more sleek.

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Great example of how detailed some scouting departments are when judging talent.

Most fans get caught up in the hype because we do not have the detailed info. That information, NFL scouting departments keep to themselves.

So the Draft Poll that was posted was moved by admanger. I got a private message and here is what it said.

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I went to the rules of the pound and there is no rule that says you can't post a poll in the draft thread, which is pretty ridiculous by the way. NFL Draft Forum should = Draft stuff.. So if you are looking for the poll it is now in the k9 consensus with other drat polls such as Obama care..

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May be it's like one of those unspoken baseball rules.

From my understanding, there's a polls thread, and that's where polling goes.

I thought it was gonna be moved (but i voted either way )

It's all good though. Just remember, the rules are fair. the regulations are fair. the competitive balance is fair (sorry, can't find the Dennis Green speech on youtube)