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Where do we adress the defensive line? There are still alot more holes on defense than offense. Corner as well.
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Where do we adress the defensive line? There are still alot more holes on defense than offense. Corner as well.
ummm...we just signed Robaire Smith and are 3 days and a bengal no go to having Shaun smith
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Well sure if you want second tier guy's to fix all our problems. Shaun Smith?? A project guy?? I for one would still like to get an impact guy on the defensive line and a cornerback.
I see no sense in drafting O-line the first two rounds. One sure but not both like he said.
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Shaun Smith?? A project guy??
who said he was a project player?
he is just an example of a player playing in the wrong system...
but dont get me wrong... he could be mediocre altogether we will just have to wait and see
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Robaire Smith is not 2nd teir. Shaun Smith could be a good NT in a 3-4 defense. The comments about drafting Thomas in the first and a guard in the second is not as crazy as you think. We had a decent defense last year that stayed on the field way too long due to an inept offense. Two starters for the oline on day one improves this team immensely. Just think if at least half of the 3 and outs from last year were converted. Or how about being able to score from the 3 yd. line. Defensively we had two rookie LBs starting and two aging DL in front of them. With Robaire replacing McKinley and Roye being healthy and Smith hopefully spelling Ted more and more as the season progresses, things should be better. I'm not saying we don't need Dlineman high in the draft, just that IMO, the upgrading the Oline will help in all aspects of the game. 1. by improving the scoring and 3rd down conversion possibilities 2. by increasing the time of possession, your defense stays fresh for later in the game. win-win IMO. Notice I say IMO. 
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If we could get that Okoye kid, I would be just as happy. 
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whats with these 1 year contracts?
Lack of good FAs this year will get us by until we can (hopefully) find someone better in '08 or develop our picks.
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CLEVELAND -- The Cleveland Browns signed offensive lineman Seth McKinney to a one-year deal Wednesday, when they also terminated fullback Terrelle Smith's contract before he was due a roster bonus at the end of the week.
McKinney started 34 games in five seasons with the Miami Dolphins but missed all of last season after having neck surgery. The 6-foot-3, 310-pounder can play guard and center.
His addition will help the Browns' offensive line, which was thinned by injuries last season. Cleveland has made its line a priority during free agency and has already re-signed center Hank Fraley and given Eric Steinbach -- one of the best players in this year's free agent class -- a seven-year, $49.5 million contract.
McKinney started 13 games at center in 2005 and was part of a Miami offensive line that yielded just 26 sacks. He was selected in the third round of the 2002 draft out of Texas A&M.
Smith, who has blocked for a 1,000-yard rusher in five of his seven seasons, joined the Browns as a free agent in 2004.
Reuben Droughns rushed for 1,232 yards behind Smith in 2005, becoming the first Browns back to surpass 1,000 yards since Kevin Mack and Earnest Byner did it in 1985. But the Browns' running game regressed last season, when Droughns gained just 758 yards.
He will be replaced by Lawrence Vickers, a sixth-round draft pick last season and a favorite of coach Romeo Crennel.
Smith, originally an unrestricted free agent out of Arizona State, played four seasons in New Orleans. He blocked for a 1,000-yard rusher in each season there -- Ricky Williams in 2000 and 2001, and Deuce McAllister in 2002 and 2003.
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McKinney has adequate size and good upper body strength for the position. He has the versatility to play either guard or center but seems to have found a home at the center position. He has very good agility and running ability as an offensive lineman.
He takes a good position step and has a good feel for taking angles to his blocks. He has a good understanding of blocking schemes and plays with good intelligence making all the line calls and adjustments up front. He plays with good bent knees, has good balance, and plays with a good base. He is rarely off his feet. He does an outstanding job of picking up and passing on line stunts and twists in the middle of the line.
He shows that he has the speed to pull and lead the toss play and is effective at finding and blocking a moving target. He plays with a high level of energy and works hard to finish his blocks. He shows good toughness and durability is not an issue with him.
While he has adequate strength, he can improve both his upper and lower body strength and be better able to get movement on the line of scrimmage. He can be knocked back at times by a strong bull rush but has greatly improved his ability to handle the defender who lines up on his nose. Overall he is a very good competitor who doesn't make many mistakes.
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This certainly brightens up an otherwise crappy day.LCB,Stienbach and now Mckinney.Young,athletic,mobile and smart.I will have to assume his neck injury is no longer an issue,if that is true,a real good pick-up.
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I can't find this guy on Madden.. whats up w/ that?
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If the rumor about LCB is correct that is,,,, but still,, if this kid can be nothing more than DEPTH, then we have improved a little.
What do you guys think happens if LCB can return.. does he go to RG or Center,,, or is there a thought that he goes to LG and Stienbach goes to LT and Shaffer goes to RT with either Tucker or McKinney or Sowells or perhaps one fo those second round guys like Blaylock or Sears coming in to RG....
Suddenly, we have some very bright prospects for that Oline.. maybe we don't NEED to draft Thomas,,, Still, I'd like to do that.
Center seems to belong to Fraley at the moment.
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I posted this on the other McKinny thread and now I"m posting here because I don't know which will survive and I have a question,,
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If the rumor about LCB is correct that is,,,, but still,, if this kid can be nothing more than DEPTH, then we have improved a little.
What do you guys think happens if LCB can return.. does he go to RG or Center,,, or is there a thought that he goes to LG and Stienbach goes to LT and Shaffer goes to RT with either Tucker or McKinney or Sowells or perhaps one fo those second round guys like Blaylock or Sears coming in to RG....
Suddenly, we have some very bright prospects for that Oline.. maybe we don't NEED to draft Thomas,,, Still, I'd like to do that.
Center seems to belong to Fraley at the moment.
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Pretty close there Toader...
If we put this guy at RG I'd bet Thomas is very high on our thought list...Not that he wasn't prior...*L*
This may very well lead to NO GUARD in 2...Savage making those 2nd day Guards comments kills me...I could easily see us waiting till 3 or 4 now...
Beekman/Ramirez in 3
Ramirez/Wrotto in 4
There's your 2008 RG...From the draft...
I highly doubt our dream of a Thomas/Sears or Blalock 1-2 is real...
I can definately see Thomas and Wrotto in 1 and 4 tho...
And 2 and 3 would have to be DL and CB...So one would think...
ME???>>>With the difference in Ends in a 3-4 versus 4-3...I don't wait till 3 for a Corner...We have way too damn many MAYBE's on this team at Corner...I just bite the bullet and go Aaron Ross of TX at 36 and use the 3 for a DE...
I guess this ain't that bad...
Thomas OT
Ross CB
McBean DT
Wrotto OG
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Hey Daman, has there been any update on LCB? Last I heard (Rumor wise) is that he's gone this year. Have you heard otherwise? Thanks!
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DnD it depends who he wants...I know two names they're looking at..Wrotto and Ramirez...we do need guys we can develope for the future, I don't know if they've cooled on Ramirez due to his petalla injury..but I know they were looking at Wrotto very heavily at the Senior Bowl..
This doesn't rule out guys like Sears/Grubbs..BUT IT WILL make the first pick interesting .
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Yeah there have been rumors (I have it from three different and unrelated sources) that LCB says he doesn't need the surgery that Savage referred to a week or so ago..
But I caution you, it's a rumor and that's why you won't see it on a thread of it's own yet.. (a few have tried it,, the REFS deleted the threads, rightfully so)
if true,, then it could mean we are in much better shape than we thought as recently as 2 weeks ago...
Again,,,,,, IF IT'S TRUE!
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This may very well lead to NO GUARD in 2...Savage making those 2nd day Guards comments kills me...I could easily see us waiting till 3 or 4 now...
I agree. Corner could be a target for that round.
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Suddenly, we have some very bright prospects for that Oline.. maybe we don't NEED to draft Thomas,,, Still, I'd like to do that.
If there's one thing Savage has shown, its that he doesn't like going into the draft NEEDING to draft ANYBODY. It's a definate pattern... he fills big holes in FA (not with studs all the time, but atleast servicable players) so that he'll have options in the draft.
I still want Thomas.
Anyway, this guy sounds like good depth.
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I've been saying a CB on day one..notice that is a area we haven't done much..
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Daman, when you get time, could you PM me the sources? Thanks!
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I've been saying a CB on day one..notice that is a area we haven't done much..
We don't need too... We have plenty of DB's to choose from:
Bodden, Holly, Minter, Wright, Perkins, Perry..
I think next year is the year we get a CB either round 1 or round 2....
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I've been saying a CB on day one..notice that is a area we haven't done much..
I know.....I have always wanted corners as well.
The thing about corners, they can play day 1 if they can cover. By this point in life, either they can cover or they can't. There isn't much you can teach them that make them that much better.
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This is where people..many fans are going to have their mouths drop..
We are taking a CB early..
I don't like the corner set up as it is..
I like my corners to be able to play out on a island and not be a liability..
There are a few in this draft I really really like and the least of them can be had in the third..but that second round is where Phil may strike for a DB...
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What the hell just happened?I ws repliing on another thread,and now I'm here.
Anyway.
Daman,I wasnot impling that would be the lineup in '07.I was trying to make the point,rather pitifully,that I like the trend towards more athletic and mobile interior linemen,instead of the plodding dinosaurs of year's past.
We'll find this to be more than just a signing for depth.Mckinney is a pretty good guard.I like the combo of he and Stienbach.We may finally be able to run traps and screens.
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This is where people..many fans are going to have their mouths drop..
We are taking a CB early..
I don't like the corner set up as it is..
I like my corners to be able to play out on a island and not be a liability..
There are a few in this draft I really really like and the least of them can be had in the third..but that second round is where Phil may strike for a DB...
I really like last year's draft b/c we had a problem with LB depth.. and the Browns drafted 3!!! LB's and now we are str8 for hopefully years to come...
I hope Savage does the same thing this year... whether it be offensive line, defensive line, or even CB.... I think its the best thing to do...
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We don't need too... We have plenty of DB's to choose from:
See you're going to make me start a CB thread..I thought DnD was going to make me do that but now U are..  You listed guys who have ????? marks..Bodden does because he has leg problems.. If he goes down again who's going to start over there? Minter I HOPE goes the way of Sean Jones, but remember it took Jones two years before his game came together after the injury.. Same thing for Minter even if he has the skills..we really won't see what he has till next season..it's that way after a knee injury.. Holley..nickle back..Perry..?????Wright..depth and nickle corner. The bigger hole as it now stands is at corner and NT .. If we want a impact at corner round two may be the round to strike unless as Opie ranks his guys he pencils ina a guy for the third..like Tanard Jackson..a guy I like a lot..
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The bigger hole as it now stands is at corner and NT ..
And you can problably take NT out of that because I don't think Cinci is going to match our offer on Smith.
Before FA'gency started I honestly did not feel that CB was in our day one plans. I had high hopes that McCutch would come back to be our Nickle (you and I have had that discussion before ), and that Bodden and Minter could battle for the other spot, leaving the loser for depth.
All of that has went to hell in a handbasket, and I haven't heard much of anything about Minters progress which scares me a little bit.
But all this I should save for that DB on day one thread you are going to start
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I got a hunch Savage was leaning towards this guy after Dielman resigned with the Chargers  I like our offseason so far.........
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See you're going to make me start a CB thread..I thought DnD was going to make me do that but now U are..
GET ON IT...
U ain't grippin' what I said...What I SAID WAS...
If we signed Clements in FA...WE WOULD NOT TAKE A DAY ONE CORNER...Or even a Corner AT ALL...
We didn't sign Clements...So now we NEED A CORNER...
Anyone that thinks we'll go into the season happy aND CONTENT WITH bODDEN AND hOLLY IS crazy...
Minter is the guy to watch...
And FYI...Any 2nd round or later CB WILL NOT START in the NFL...And be worth a damn...Behind QB it's the 2nd most difficult transition in the game...
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9That's why I don't want one at all this year....lol. You know me bro, and my philosophy is win up front.......and we suck up front big time.........yeah I know we suck at CB too, but like you said a 2nd round pick isn't much of an upgrade short term, and we aren't good enough yet up front to even worry about it an immediate stud if we were. Get the trenches fixed this draft, and then worry about what needs fixin next year...............if Savage takes a CB in round 2 it's stupid imo unless he deems him as a long term shutdown CB, becuase a small upgrade over Holley ain't worth losing a Blaylock type OG or a DE like Harrill..............those are trench studs, and if you lose one of those the guy better stud out in 3 years and be a shutdown CB to make it worth while imo.................screw the CB pick, and go with what we got and let the younguns develop...............if they don't get one next year after our lines are actually respectable at least.
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I agree we should not be picking a CB in round two unless we trade down and get a second pick. Minter had a second round grade from most and only fell do to injury. I'm willing to give him and the other young guys a chance this year especially if it means addressing the Oline and doing something to get us a pass rush. As much time as the Browns usually give opposing QBs it's not a question if they will get beat but how often.
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I feel if we stay put at three...we will take a corner in the 2nd. Imo.....a 2nd round corner is way above Holley or Brown....they are more like a 5th round corner in comparison. I would love to trade down and take Hall or Houston (the top 2 corners) with our 1st. I dont feel thats gonna happen so i think a corner in round 2 is our best option IMO. I think with Steinbach, Mckinney and the emerging Sowells and MAYBE Bentley we wont be taking a first day guard. Aint this Mississippi weather sumpin?
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I couldn't disagree more about the football..........or couldn't agree more about the weather...lol.
Unless we go JT in round 1, then you better bet we are going to look HARD at Sears or Staley...........moreso than a OG even.........for the simple fact that we will be LUCKY to get another year out of Tucker, and we must have a plan B for this year, and a long term replacement. If we don't go JT then I about bet we go OT in round 2. Round 3 is where it get's tricky........I believe that a round 3 CB is worthless for the 1st 3 years like DnD said, and even then your not getting a stud type player usually........but I could see us getting one. Imo you go DL, becasue the talent pool in round 3 for a 3-4 DL is much higher than that of a CB..........think of it like this CB is the QB of the D........the later you grab one in the draft the less your chances of getting a good one, because the good ones go early. Imo this CB class is weak as crap, and unless we get one in round 1 (and we won't) then the depth just isn't there to invest in one in the mid rounds.............heck we already have those investments from the last 2 years, and we need to see if they can play imo. Oh and bro a 2nd round CB is going to suck in year 1..........the transition to the NFL is very hard for the CBs. Why waste a pick when we've already invested the mid level picks already............how about the foreign concept of getting someone for the trenches?? I know it's hard for us to fathom, because it hasn't happened here in a while, but why not try something different, becuase what we've been doing (drafting perimeter players) obviously hasn't worked................it's just so crazy.....it might work!!!!....lol.
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I couldn't disagree more about the football..........or couldn't agree more about the weather...lol.
Unless we go JT in round 1, then you better bet we are going to look HARD at Sears or Staley...........moreso than a OG even.........for the simple fact that we will be LUCKY to get another year out of Tucker, and we must have a plan B for this year, and a long term replacement. If we don't go JT then I about bet we go OT in round 2. Round 3 is where it get's tricky........I believe that a round 3 CB is worthless for the 1st 3 years like DnD said, and even then your not getting a stud type player usually........but I could see us getting one. Imo you go DL, becasue the talent pool in round 3 for a 3-4 DL is much higher than that of a CB..........think of it like this CB is the QB of the D........the later you grab one in the draft the less your chances of getting a good one, because the good ones go early. Imo this CB class is weak as crap, and unless we get one in round 1 (and we won't) then the depth just isn't there to invest in one in the mid rounds.............heck we already have those investments from the last 2 years, and we need to see if they can play imo. Oh and bro a 2nd round CB is going to suck in year 1..........the transition to the NFL is very hard for the CBs. Why waste a pick when we've already invested the mid level picks already............how about the foreign concept of getting someone for the trenches?? I know it's hard for us to fathom, because it hasn't happened here in a while, but why not try something different, becuase what we've been doing (drafting perimeter players) obviously hasn't worked................it's just so crazy.....it might work!!!!....lol.
Take care bud, and this is the year we get together to watch football!!!!
I agree to no cornerback in round 3 because Phil even said that we may not be able to address all areas this year and we may have to go to battle with who we have and hope Minter makes progress and Holly as well.
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I agree to no cornerback in round 3 because Phil even said that we may not be able to address all areas this year
Corner aint one of those positions IMO.
We will draft Db help somewhere unless we trade or sign one ( one than can compete) between then and now.
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