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As I said in another thread, I don't think we want to ignore the D. If we go O on our first pick then we need to go D with our #22 or at the latest #37. Were on the verge of having a Big-time D, we just need to keep up the high picks.
While I don't disagree I think they did the addressing on the D besides LB. I would not be surprised at all to see our first four picks on the offensive side of the ball.
I agree. We "ignored" offense with our top2 selections each of the past 2 drafts. It's time we go offense with at least the first 3 selections (unless an obvious BPA pops up).
I still like the idea of trading down from #4 to somewhere inside the top10 and getting an extra early 2nd rounder (to use on defense - or on offense and use one of the other 'high' picks on defense).
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Jackson doesn't offer much value to me. Seems like he is always nursing an injury. Let's not confuse name recognition with value.
Besides, I would much rather get one of their 1st next year 
Jackson has played in 46 of 48 games in the past 3 years, and has run for 1416, 1241, and 1145 yards, with averages of 4.4 yards/carry, 3.8, and 4.4.
He's also caught 51, 46, and 42 passes over that time frame.
That's a lot of productivity if you ask me, I'd say he's given them a ton of value, especially given that half their team always seems to be on IR ..... and they aren't that good to start with.
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While I'm trying to see your point, Just because we up-graded last yr. does not mean we can just stop. We can still mix in at least one pick in the top 3.
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I really truly believe that RG3 is a bigger project than Tannehill.
And I think all the project talk is the media trying to rationalize why he's considered a top end prospect but they weren't saying so a month ago.
If I had to go win a game next week with the Browns and could pick any QB in the draft to do it it'd be Tannehill. Yes over Luck and RG3.
He knows the WCO and could run our playbook better than any other draftee.
This project talk is complete bunk.
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I really truly believe that RG3 is a bigger project than Tannehill.
And I think all the project talk is the media trying to rationalize why he's considered a top end prospect but they weren't saying so a month ago.
If I had to go win a game next week with the Browns and could pick any QB in the draft to do it it'd be Tannehill. Yes over Luck and RG3.
He knows the WCO and could run our playbook better than any other draftee.
This project talk is complete bunk.
I think they are both projects..Luck and Weeden would be the two closest to being "Ready".
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I'd do that if we got Jackson and a 4th round pick. I really don't see how Jackson would fit into the whole rebuilding plan though. He is getting old for a running back and is expensive. Those two things don't really go together for a team like us.
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I really truly believe that RG3 is a bigger project than Tannehill.
And I think all the project talk is the media trying to rationalize why he's considered a top end prospect but they weren't saying so a month ago.
If I had to go win a game next week with the Browns and could pick any QB in the draft to do it it'd be Tannehill. Yes over Luck and RG3.
He knows the WCO and could run our playbook better than any other draftee.
This project talk is complete bunk.
Man I'm glad that you aren't running this team. I don't want Tannehill at all. The guy crumbles under pressure. No thanks.
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Let's pretend we're actually targeting Trent Richardson ... Is this realistic?
1. Indianapolis - Luck
2. Washington - RGIII
3. Minnesota - Kahlil
We're sitting at 4. We bluff that we want Blackmon. St. Louis trades #6 and #39 for the 4 pick.
4. St. Louis - Blackmon
5. Tampa Bay - Claiborne
We're at 6. Bluff that we want Tannehill. Miami trades #8, #42 for #6.
6. Miami - Tannehill
7. Jacksonville - Ingram
Then we end up with picks 8, 22, 37, 39, 42
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I like, I really like. Can one of us call St. Louis and Miami to get this proposal completed by the end of today?
This sounds fine except for the fact that 1. We Might Lose Richardson to Jax 2. I want More than a second round pick for trading down...esp. from #4. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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Luck is my favorite QB and I believe he has the floor of any propsect I've seen in my lifetime. Does he have the highest ceiling? Not even close.
Luck is coming from a power running 2TE version. Tannehill is coming from Sherman's version which is closer to the Holmgen/Shurmur WCO here.
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Smoke and mirrors.
We take Richardson unless Miami or St. Louis makes us an offer.
JMO. We gotta make noise.
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Let's pretend we're actually targeting Trent Richardson ... Is this realistic?
1. Indianapolis - Luck
2. Washington - RGIII
3. Minnesota - Kahlil
We're sitting at 4. We bluff that we want Blackmon. St. Louis trades #6 and #39 for the 4 pick.
4. St. Louis - Blackmon
5. Tampa Bay - Claiborne
We're at 6. Bluff that we want Tannehill. Miami trades #8, #42 for #6.
6. Miami - Tannehill
7. Jacksonville - Ingram
Then we end up with picks 8, 22, 37, 39, 42
I think that right there is the plan or when we are at 6, we take Richardson and then use the 2nd rounder we got from them plus our 22 and move up for someone else they love.
either way works and either way is possible. for the record, I like your way better
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Anyone listen to Blackmon's interview on 850 today? He didn't seem like he was excited about the prospect of being a Brown and quite frankly I wasn't impressed at all.
I'll take the following and we'll be in the playoffs sooner than what everyone thinks:
1. T. Richardson
1a. K. Wright/S. Hill
2. B Weeden (might have to trade up a tad but he's worth it)
That there is my dream scenario and one that is very possible. Then with the remaining 10 picks go out and get the best RT/CB/LB/DE/G (In that order) and we'd be set no doubt in my mind! This is the only way to go if you want to see a team instantly upgraded. A true home run, no brainer draft. At least that would be your draft if I was the GM. I could use a new job too....
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Anyone listen to Blackmon's interview on 850 today? He didn't seem like he was excited about the prospect of being a Brown and quite frankly I wasn't impressed at all.
I'll take the following and we'll be in the playoffs sooner than what everyone thinks:
1. T. Richardson
1a. K. Wright/S. Hill
2. B Weeden (might have to trade up a tad but he's worth it)
My dream scenario is we move to 6, land Richardson there, then bundle the picks to move back up and take Michael Floyd.
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I'm fine with that as long as the rest of the draft plays out the way I posted. I think Weeden can be like a Kurt Warner type guy and would be nice to land him in the 2nd. Get us Richardson and one of the top 4 WRs in this draft to go along with Weeden and with this young defense we may have something special brewing. To me this is as close to a slam dunk as there is. It's so possible as well if these guys don't flub it up by taking Blackmon or Tannehil.
Take this approach and we could surprise people and be in the playoffs this year and I'm 100% serious about that.
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Anyone listen to Blackmon's interview on 850 today? He didn't seem like he was excited about the prospect of being a Brown and quite frankly I wasn't impressed at all.
I didn't get that at all. But, it's totally a matter of perspective.
To me, it was him not wanting to talk about something that maybe he wasn't supposed to. He didn't want to say something like "yeah, they told me they're going to draft me", etc.
I don't think we're taking him anyway. But I didn't get the "he doesn't want to come to Cleveland" crap. JMHO
*Edit* And what did the hosts think he was going to say when they asked whether he'd rather go to the Rams or the Browns? "Yeah, I'd much rather go there because the Browns suck"?
Seemed very much like the "ask questions that he'll never answer and then be able to spin it however you want" approach.
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Funny isn't it?..Few weeks ago Holmy said he wouldn't waste a pick that high on a WR...now he likes Tannwhill..now before anything is said there could be some truth in that..he may like him so much that he trades down..heeh..of course the name being overlooked is Claiborne..
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Anyone listen to Blackmon's interview on 850 today? He didn't seem like he was excited about the prospect of being a Brown and quite frankly I wasn't impressed at all.
Anyone have a link so those of us that missed it can listen?
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Man that was fast, this message board is awesome!
Thanks
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It seemed to me that Blackmon was being very cautious not to say something that he wasn't suppose to say and the interviewer kept trying to prod him into saying something stupid. I am kind of proud of him for holding his own. Makes for a boring interview though.
So who was the the guy asking the questions? If I was Blackmon I would have left the interview thinking "a-hole".
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I actually just finished listening to it. I had it on while you were asking about it. lol I don't think that he said anything most college kids wouldn't say leading up to the draft .... he just wasn't quite as artful as some have been. I do think that he would like to play with Brandon Weeden as a pro. He seemed to get excited by that possibility. Some may say that this interview was a slam on Cleveland or something, but I actually feel somewhat better about the kid after hearing the interview. They kept trying to get him to say what they wanted to hear him say, and he wouldn't take the bait. I'm happy that he knows that he'll have to work on his route running, as this is a big concern regarding his play. I wasn't surprised that he couldn;t name our coaches. lol If you were a prospect who had visited 10 or so teams, could you name them all? I would think that his agent would have handed him a cheat sheet though.  I guess I'll be OK with him or Richardson at 4. I just wish there was a guy available to us who jumped out and made me feel great about drafting him. The closest to that is Richardson for me. I dunno. I just hope that whoever we take turns out to be the best player in the draft.
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It seemed to me that Blackmon was being very cautious not to say something that he wasn't suppose to say and the interviewer kept trying to prod him into saying something stupid. I am kind of proud of him for holding his own. Makes for a boring interview though.
So who was the the guy asking the questions? If I was Blackmon I would have left the interview thinking "a-hole".
I agree. These are stupid questions.
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I agree that he was excited about the proposition of playing wwith Weeden.
I like the idea of drafting either him or TRich with our 1st pick. These are 2 guys who play with attitude. A "go ahead and try to stop me. I dare you" attitude. We need some of that from our talented players.
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Who is leaking this stuff??????????
Today before logging on here and reading this stuff, I was just considering a scenario in my mind. It came from the last post I read, ... Browns Have to take Richardson and Miami L o v e s Tannehill.
So I was thinking, sure here's the deal... trade down to 6 with St Louis for whatever you can get.
At 6 draft Tannehill.
Trade Tannehill to Miami for #8 and a 1st next year, + whatever more you can get.
At #8 take Melvin Ingram, at 22 take Weeden. ( this is my plan #B of 2 = plans) for the 1st round anyway.
Then you still have whatever St Louis , and Miami gave you this year.
+ 2 #ones next year, again.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Let's pretend we're actually targeting Trent Richardson ... Is this realistic?
1. Indianapolis - Luck
2. Washington - RGIII
3. Minnesota - Kahlil
We're sitting at 4. We bluff that we want Blackmon. St. Louis trades #6 and #39 for the 4 pick.
4. St. Louis - Blackmon
5. Tampa Bay - Claiborne
We're at 6. Bluff that we want Tannehill. Miami trades #8, #42 for #6.
6. Miami - Tannehill
7. Jacksonville - Ingram
Then we end up with picks 8, 22, 37, 39, 42
That would be a great draft day. I would take those 2nd rounders and try and move up for another impact player.
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It seemed to me that Blackmon was being very cautious not to say something that he wasn't suppose to say and the interviewer kept trying to prod him into saying something stupid. I am kind of proud of him for holding his own. Makes for a boring interview though.
So who was the the guy asking the questions? If I was Blackmon I would have left the interview thinking "a-hole".
I agree. These are stupid questions.
I don't know about all that. He couldn't even remember what the coaches names were that he talked to in Cleveland. You would think the guy would at least look it up quickly before being on the radio show. He had to be force fed most of the answers. Not impressed with him at all.
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I am not overly impressed with him as a player, I think we can do better, later, but him not remembering coaches names isn't a big deal IMO....he has probably talked to dozens of different coaches over the past few weeks.
I am sure it can be a bit overwhelming.
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It sounded to me as if he was reluctant to name anybody he met with. As if some team (maybe ours or maybe some other) asked him not to. He even seemed reluctant to confirm that he met with Holmgren. Perhaps he cannot remember any of their names but there are other explanations for his unwillingness to name them.
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It sounded to me as if he was reluctant to name anybody he met with. As if some team (maybe ours or maybe some other) asked him not to. He even seemed reluctant to confirm that he met with Holmgren. Perhaps he cannot remember any of their names but there are other explanations for his unwillingness to name them.
That as well. Good point Jester.
You know Jester, you and I have been around here a long time and I don't really know a thing about you....do you ever make any games. If you do, I'd like to meet you.
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Damnit...that's the kiss of death for me. My first and second choice guys are Richardson then Claiborne. If Grossi says that, well, he's a dolt and I have no shot at getting either of the two guys I'd want. 
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Tony Grossi sez the Browns are torn, but its not between Blackmon and Tannehill - its between Richardson and Claiborne.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=2191&f=491801
I sure hope he's right. Just this once. Those are my top two, although I can't decide which one I would pick.
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Get ready for the Browns defense to get their MoJo back (Morris and Joe).  Yeah Baby, Yeah! 
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Damnit...that's the kiss of death for me. My first and second choice guys are Richardson then Claiborne. If Grossi says that, well, he's a dolt and I have no shot at getting either of the two guys I'd want.
Those are my #1 and #2, but not sure who is #1 yet? I'm not as down on Grossi as others but IMO it makes the most sense b/c they are the 2 best players expected to be there at #4. I'd be very happy with either one, especially when we grab OT/WR at #22 and RB at #37
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Saw an article regarding the story of Blackmon vs Tannenhill. The writer states that the organization is hopeless because this is the decision we are making....
Either this guy is a complete idiot and doesn't see what we're trying to do, or he's trying to stir the pot and get people reading. The story is an obvious ploy to get teams attentions.
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Saw an article regarding the story of Blackmon vs Tannenhill. The writer states that the organization is hopeless because this is the decision we are making....
Either this guy is a complete idiot and doesn't see what we're trying to do, or he's trying to stir the pot and get people reading. The story is an obvious ploy to get teams attentions.
....Meaning we are clueless b/c we're choosing between those 2 and not Richardson/Claiborne or some other reason?
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Every year we play the same game, and every team has the same mantra.
We want to trade back and still pick up the player we really like and pick up an extra draft choice, just in case that player is a bust...
So it is no surprise that within 4 days we get 2 stories that have the Browns interested in Tannehill, Blackmon Richardson, and Claiborne,
Yep, we are at the same place we were a month ago....
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We want to trade back and still pick up the player we really like and pick up an extra draft choice, just in case that player is a bust...
Ain't that the truth.
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