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Alshon Jeffery is not a west coast receiver. If we take a receiver at #37 it will be Randle.
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I read an article that said that Jeffrey was off the Browns board. I don't know why. Seems to me as I remember it, that it was a pretty reputable source too.
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Weeden's pick set the board record last night. Max users online was 322 @ Thu Apr 26 2012 10:33 PM 
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What are this teams needs?
Before last night?
1. Quarterback
2. Quarterback
3. Quarterback
4. Quarterback
100. Insert other needs here
Okay. We got the quarterback.
I fully expect we will go, at a minimum, 9-7 this year. If we don't? Failed pick. Period.
And yes, I'm using the same measuring stick that has been afforded McCoy. The "experts" on here all blamed Colt. Or whoever our qb was. We drafted a qb in the first round, and we're gonna ride him into the sunset.
I don't want to hear any excuses this year. We WILL score a minimum of 21 pts. per game. (we'd better, with a "stud" back, and a first round qb). No "you need two years to learn the offense" crap.
9-7 minimum. 8-8 is a failure with this "stud" first round qb and a first round running back. Period.
I will hold Weeden to the same standards our 3rd round qb got from the "experts".
We WILL see 350-400 yard passing games, right?
We WON'T see any checkdowns when receivers are downfield wide open, right?
Receivers WILL catch the ball, and since it will be placed in a perfect spot, most 10 yd. catches will result in a minimum of 20 yard plays, right?
5 yd. passes WILL end up 15 yd. gains.
If our first round qb can't do that?????????? Failed pick. (at least according to the people that seem to think their "expertise" matters)
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I was thinking the board got a pretty big bump last night.
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Oh, I forgot to add that, since we are - according to the haters a month ago - in year 3 of H and H and yet another rebuild - IF we didn't go at a minimum 8-8 this year, it would be time to fire the front office.
So, I'll hold that "truth" that was espoused on here many, many times, to be self evident.
9-7 - hey, we have a first round qb. Less than 8-8, front office gets fired, PLUS we draft another qb first round next year. Right guys?
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You're literally the only one on this board that thinks Colt McCoy was held to those standards.
My standard for Colt was to see progress. He regressed. End of discussion.
I was the biggest Colt McCoy fan on this board, even before we drafted him. Go back and search for it if you want. But sometimes you gotta admit when you're wrong, and I was wrong about Cold McCoy.
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Even THROW LONG thinks this is a ridiculous post.
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Look at successful programs, they either built the team, and then get a QB, or they get a QB and accept the growing pains.
NOT the Browns! two years . . . need a QB . . . 2 years . . .Need a QB.
05 . . . 3rd rd. Frye fans love it, then turn when they realize he stinks, and we dont have much talent
07 . . .2 #1s . Quinn fans love it, then realized what i predicted, he's not that accurate and we dont have that much talent.
10 . . .3rd rd. Colt, was promised to be developed, beats the superbowl champs and the steelers in his rookie year, and takes a beating with little talent around him.
12 . .. 1st rd. Weeden, like colt, but your trading a stronger arm, for less mobile legs.
So who is your 2014 prospect?
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To be fair, THROW LONG thinks everything is ridiculous.
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Man is Weeden tall. 
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it was a gret move by Jacksonville... they were in more need of a WR than we are... they had nothing on offense except MJD... I think Blackmon is a great WR but TR I think has a higher floor and can make an immediate impact.
Jacksonville signed Robinson who is better then any WR on this team, so no I don't agree that they needed one more so then we.
 there is no high floor for a RB today.
In the Top 5? With a trade up?
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You're literally the only one on this board that thinks Colt McCoy was held to those standards.
My standard for Colt was to see progress. He regressed. End of discussion.
I was the biggest Colt McCoy fan on this board, even before we drafted him. Go back and search for it if you want. But sometimes you gotta admit when you're wrong, and I was wrong about Cold McCoy.
Fair enough.
Forget our lack of a running game. That didn't matter last year - I sure as hell won't let it matter this year - oh, wait, we got what could be a pro-bowler at running back.
Forget our "receiv........" Hell, I won't even that word all the way, it would be a waste of time.
We have our first round qb. I am a Browns fan.
I WILL hold our first round qb to higher standards. Absolutely, positively, without a doubt. PLUS, he's going to have, like I said earlier, a running back that should be awesome.
No, sir, I won't take 5-11 this year. No excuses. We'll be scoring 21 pts. or more in all games with this first round qb and a stud running back. We'll have probably 2 1000 yd. receivers.
Man - this is going to be a fun year for me. If the expectations that colt was supposed to fulfill are held for Weeden - we'll finish over .500. And I'll be the happiest guy around. If we don't? Boy, howdee - I'll be ripping certain posters on here non stop.
Either way.
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***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Jacksonville grossly overpaid Robinson who is not better than Little.
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So who was your guy at 22, Arch?
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Well you're not bitter or anything.
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LOL, calm down there fella
Oh, I'm not worked up.
It's the same old crap every draft - "oh, this year we took the step". It's the same old thing with every coaching change we make. Same old thing with each new front office........
I will hold Weeden to the same standards - the SAME standards - our 3rd round qb was held. I would think that's fair.
No "he needs 2 years to develop"
No "he didn't have a running game".
No "his receivers aren't good".
No excuses - ESPECIALLY not with a top tier running back!!!
If we aren't 8-8 - everybody should be fired.......right?
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I don't think the consensus at #22 was WR.
Most people seemed to want either Reiff or Decastro, simply because they were no brainers in terms of BPA.
I love Stephen Hill, but if you can get a OL of the quality of DeCastro or Reiff at the #22 selection, you take them! You don't take a 28 y.o. rookie QB. Well, no sane, thinking person does.
I would have give up on Stephen Hill for either of those linemen. As it stands, I think Pittsburgh gets the best interior lineman in the draft. We get to play him twice.
It's like what I kept hearing on ESPN Cleveland leading up to the draft. You don't pass on elite players if you have the chance to draft them. If you do, you end up playing against them.
In the past 4 seasons, we have 4 divisional wins.
2008 - 2 divisional wins, season record (4-12)
2009 - 1 divisional win, season record (5-11)
2010 - 1 divisional win, season record (5-11)
2011 - no divisional wins, season record (4-12)
And Weeden improves that how? A shotgun QB in the WCO with a front office whose football knowledge has seemingly drained from their heads.
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Weeden would have been fine at #37 or even at the end of the 1st (in a trade up). It just didn't make a ton of sense when an elite guard prospect was there and also the #2 OT (who was a perfect RT prospect).
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The Steelers never help me feel any better in these situations either. They seem to ALWAYS take the guy I want and that guy almost always seems to be better than the guy Cleveland passed on him for. 
Ain't hard when the Browns are on the clock and the two guys you'd like are still there. You think, 'They can't eff this up!' and then when the card is handed in, the both of the guys you would have wanted are still on the board, it gets depressing!
Nope, I'm not going to support Weeden, just like all McCoy's detractors never supported him. I don't like the Weeden pick (a first rounder) just like they didn't like the McCoy one (a third rounder). It'll be interesting to see what the Browns are able to get with the compensatory picks because that's where they're going to have to make it even worth caring.
I fully expect this front office to screw the pooch with the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounders that we still have. Pathetic draft! We'll get one piece out of this draft when we had 13 selections! Epic failure in my view! Epic!
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Jacksonville signed Robinson who is better then any WR on this team, so no I don't agree that they needed one more so then we.
we'll see if Laurent goes back to his pre-Dallas days now that he doesn't have all those other Cowboy playmakers deflecting attention from himself (and Romo delivering the ball)
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If we draft Martin or Glenn at 37, can we just pretend we drafted them at 22 and we got Weeden in the 2nd, complaining would be reduced by 50%.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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I'd be willing to bet there's not a single receiver off the board before 37.
Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson were both 2nd rounders.
Jusssssssst sayin.
Here's the million dollar question. Heckert has 18 guys with Round 1 grades, right? Are there any left, and if so do you pass on them to take a receiver or do you stick with the game plan?
I say stick with the game plan. Don't screw around with it. If it's a D-end or a corner or whatever, I am ok with it. I just want good players.
I would like to see us take a chance on a WR late, seems like every other year someone pops out of nowhere from those rounds at the WR position. With a good QB in place (we hope) we have a better chance at finding one.
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If we draft Martin or Glenn at 37, can we just pretend we drafted them at 22 and we got Weeden in the 2nd, complaining would be reduced by 50%.
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Debatable, because I have to see Little hold on to the pass first.
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He managed to get 700 yards receiving somehow.
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I feel your pain.
When my 1st wife left me,I cried like a littlebaby,much as you are now.
After my 2nd wife left,it wasn't that bad.
Now when a broad dumps me,who cares.
The moral of the story?
There will always be another QB to fall in love with.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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Jacksonville signed Robinson who is better then any WR on this team, so no I don't agree that they needed one more so then we.
we'll see if Laurent goes back to his pre-Dallas days now that he doesn't have all those other Cowboy playmakers deflecting attention from himself (and Romo delivering the ball)
He did it for the most part without those other talents on the field [injuries]
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You're literally the only one on this board that thinks Colt McCoy was held to those standards.
No he isn't.
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I feel your pain.
When my 1st wife left me,I cried like a littlebaby,much as you are now.
After my 2nd wife left,it wasn't that bad.
Now when a broad dumps me,who cares.
The moral of the story?
There will always be another QB to fall in love with.
Somehow, this doesn't make me feel better.
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So who was your guy at 22, Arch?
Whoever would've made this team better, immediately.
Now I'll be the first to say (and if you check the pre-draft threads, you'll see I didn't say much, if anything, as I don't follow college football a whole lot).
However, my posts are directed not at Weeden - or the team, as much as they are towards 2 specific posters that blamed Colt for everything this year.
I simply will be wrong this season - which will make everyone of us happy - me included. OR, these 2 specific posters will ALSO have to admit they were wrong.
No excuses. Last year was "all Colt's fault". Okay.
This year? Stud back, stud qb - 9-7, 8-8 at a minimum. More than 21 pts. per game. Less than 8-8? We fire the front office, get rid of the coach, and draft a qb next year. Right? Isn't that what we do every couple of years?
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He managed to get 700 yards receiving somehow.
He left a lot on the field too.
He was targeted more then any other of our WR's last year. He is the least of my concerns however.
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You're literally the only one on this board that thinks Colt McCoy was held to those standards.
No he isn't.
Okay, then you're as ridiculous as he is. Congrats
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Jacksonville signed Robinson who is better then any WR on this team, so no I don't agree that they needed one more so then we.
we'll see if Laurent goes back to his pre-Dallas days now that he doesn't have all those other Cowboy playmakers deflecting attention from himself (and Romo delivering the ball)
He did it for the most part without those other talents on the field [injuries]
at no point was Dez, Miles, Felix, DeMarco, and Witten all injured at the same time. He also always had Romo throwing him the ball.
anyways, enough about Laurent, we have our own issues to deal with.
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we will have had 11 starting QBs in 14 years if Weeden starts week1.
2012 Brandon Weeden?
2011 Colt McCoy
2010 Jake Delhomme
2009 Brady Quinn
2008 Derek Anderson
2007 Charlie Frye (1 half only, but he was the guy who started)
2006 Charlie Frye
2005 Trent Dilfer
2004 Jeff Garcia
2003 Kelly Holcomb
2002 Kelly Holcomb
2001 Tim Couch
2000 Tim Couch
1999 Ty Detmer
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VERY few people blamed Colt McCoy for "ALL" the problems like you say.
Actually, no one that I can think of blamed it ALL on him.
But, he was a MAJOR problem on this offense.
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That's my opinion, too.
I blasted django when he claimed we should take Weeden at 4. Only because I thought 4 was too high for someone that old.
However, at 22, how do you pass on a guy with his skill set? Regardless of age.
For the record...I never had him taking earlier than 22, but yeah...I was ridiculed on here for having him slotted him in there or 37 since January
I'm pretty happy right now 
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