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If Gordan is considered better than Wright, he is most definitely worth looking into. I'd clear a roster spot in a heartbeat for the guy.

We should definitely give him a shot, third rounder isn't that much to pay, we're getting him a year earlier than we would if we were drafting a player next year, and it is at a position of need.

I'll bet the 7222 off of my name that it will take a 2nd rounder to get him.

You could be right, especially if a surprise team like Minnesota or Indy decided to go after him. Of all the teams that have been mentioned as interested, we likely have the highest pick, so our third rounder trumps most teams. However, we do assume more risk if we go beyond that as our 2nd rounder will likely be a top-40 pick next year.

I would be really leery about risking a 2nd rounder on the guy.

I'll defer to the front office, because I don't know a tremendous amount about the guy ...... but the whole situation worries me.

He's been out of football for a year ..... walked out on one team after being suspended, then walked on the team that took a chance on him before he ever played a down for them ....... and he comes from an offense without anything approaching the disciplined routes he would have to run here.

He look more like a project to me than a well rounded prospect. He's basically had one year of college football. He also doesn't seem like one of those guys who "really loves football" ..... which carries a ton of weight with our front office.

If he checks out, I'd use a 2nd rounder on him.

Next years pick this year. Sounds like a value to me.

If you look at the past 10 years, the average round when guys are picked in the Supp. draft is the 4th and a lot of these guys didn't work out too well once they got picked..Hence why you better be pretty committed to the guy if you select him.

too much risk.. I'd put in a 5th rounder for him.. if we didn't get him.. o well..

There are some question marks surrounding this kid. but, if the FO does it's homework and feels they are not concerned about them, then go for it.

talent is where you find it.

Jared Gaither and Ahmad Brooks are two guys who were considered the top prospects in their supplemental drafts who worked out pretty well. Nobody else comes to mind as a significant success.

Wiki: Supplemental Draft

Bernie Kosar
Brian Bosworth
Mike Wahle
Jamal Williams
Paul Oliver

Not bad, but cant always find starters.

I would say 4th or 5th round value based on what I have see of him. Now he has had a lot of time to work with these sports training facilities so he may have really refined his route running ability. Plus Heckert loves the physical freaks. Interview and private workouts will need to sell himself.

OO i forgot to add that these facilities really help these guys understand the process of route running and route running and the off the field stuff are his flags. Size, speed and pretty good hands are covered.

sorry cob, you're right. I should have said "in recent history."

No doubt the supplemental is the path less traveled.

All I am saying is if the guy checks out and passes all your tests, there is no reason to try to get him on the cheap and lose out.

If he checks out as a 2nd round talent, then do it. I don't see it as any more of a risk then selecting someone else in the 2nd round next draft. This is next drafts selection.....just a bit early. We aren't giving up a 2nd round selection. We would be making a selection.

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All I am saying is if the guy checks out and passes all your tests, there is no reason to try to get him on the cheap and lose out.

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Yeah, man, totally agree.

We won't go as high as a first rounder but I could see Heckert using a 2nd if he really believes this guy is the real deal.

j/c

I'd be tempted to go third but the reality is that with this year, we're likely to be picking in top half of the draft again next year.

I'd throw out a 4th for him and cross our collective fingers. One good season in a pass happy, defensively weak conference doesn't exactly make him a slam dunk.

J/C

Browns have done a lot of work on ex-Baylor WR Josh Gordon in advance of Thursday's supplemental draft

Jul 10, 2012
By Tony Grossi
ESPN Cleveland

The Morning Kickoff …

A second chance: The Browns will have two scouts in attendance for the pro day workout today of former Baylor wideout Josh Gordon, the only prominent name among eight in the NFL summer supplemental draft on Thursday.

No other members of the organization will attend the workout at the Houston Texans’ practice facility. But a source said the Browns have done a lot of legwork already on Gordon, who has elite athletic skills but was kicked off the Baylor team two years ago for testing positive for marijuana.

Gordon hasn’t played since establishing himself as a sophomore in 2010 with 42 catches for 714 yards and seven touchdowns – No. 2 numbers behind eventual first-round draft pick Kendall Wright. Gordon was arrested for misdemeanor drug possession for being a passenger in a car with marijuana in it. He proceeded to fail a couple of drug tests and was dismissed by Baylor.

Gordon transferred to Utah, sat out the 2011 season, and then petitioned the NFL to come out in the supplemental draft without playing a down. His dimensions – 6-3 and 220 pounds – and reputed 4.4 speed are intoxicating to NFL teams. He is bigger and faster than Wright, who was taken No. 20 overall by Tennessee in April.

The Browns knew of Gordon while scouting Wright, whom they were preparing to take at No. 22. Gordon wouldn’t be a bad rebound – and would cost less. The Browns are definitely interested, said a league source.

“He has three things against him,” said Dane Brugler, CBSSports.com draft analyst. “1. Usually guys aren’t taken as highly in the supplemental draft because teams are less than excited to give away futures; 2. He hasn’t played since 2010, his only year; 3. He has character and maturity questions.

“I think a lot of teams are curious. I’ve heard a few teams, the Cowboys being one, and a few others that are maybe a little more interested. I don’t think he gets out of the third round, from the amount of intrigue I’ve heard.”

A second chance for the Browns, too: The order of the supplemental draft is decided through a weighted lottery. The order is not disclosed to the teams until about an hour before the draft.

If a team decides to select Gordon, it notifies the league in which round it chooses to take him. The league then goes through the order and awards Gordon to the team with the highest spot in the round. The team awarded him gives up the corresponding pick in next April’s regular draft.

Heckert values future draft picks as much as any GM, but he is not opposed to using it on a player with Gordon’s potential, said the source.

“You look at our last draft … if there is something we weren’t able to get done, this is a second chance,” he said. “You’re getting a player early, but in this case it’s a little late, too, to help much this year.”

Heckert has shown he will take a chance on a risky player with athletic skills. He drafted receiver Greg Little in the second round in 2011 after Little missed the entire 2010 season at North Carolina because of a suspension. Little proceeded to lead the Browns in receiving as a rookie.

Gordon’s potential may be greater than Little’s. “He’s so physically gifted, the sky’s the limit,” Brugler said. “There are questions about route-running, the nuances of the position. But the NFL loves big, fast receivers.”

Doing their due diligence: Part of Gordon’s pro day will involve answering questions from teams about his bad decisions. According to a source, Heckert has talked with Gordon “for a long time” and has talked to others about him. At this point, Heckert does not believe Gordon’s issues are a deal-breaker.

The feeling is that because of Gordon’s year off, his shortness of experience and his absence from an NFL camp this spring, he won’t be a major contributor early to any team in 2012. But his huge potential at a position the Browns direly need to fill makes him an appealing investment.

When the Browns built their playoff teams in the mid-1980s, they left no stone unturned to fill needs. They’d trade for players, sign them from the Canadian Football League and the United States Football League. They jumpstarted a new era of playoff appearances by trading for the first pick in the 1985 supplemental draft to secure quarterback Bernie Kosar.

That controversial move changed the rules of the draft to the present weighted lottery system. Now it’s not just a matter of using a future pick on a player. If the Browns really want Gordon, they’re going to have to blindly select him higher than any other team. There’s no guarantee they can get him in the third round.

Well, that article sure makes it sound as if we are serious.. hey,, if they think he's the real deal,, go for it.

But 2 years removed from Football,, I hope nobody expects a Greg Little type performance out of him next season.. That would be a miracle..

30+ catches 500+ yards.. that might be a good start..we'll see..

PFT says he ran a 4.52 today at his Pro Day. Browns, Bills, Cowboys, Eagles, and Texans had scouts there.

Thanks for the read, very interesting. We have the Baylor ties and we have need at receiver. I like Mo but I dont trust the concussions and his ability to stay healthy. Benjamin, i see a whole lot of Dennis Northcutt in him both good and bad. Cribbs has improved every single year as a receiver but he is not a full time receiver.

I have no problem if we take a run at the kid due to him being a huge kid with major speed and decent hands. The other stuff, we will see. Now we do know that Heckert likes Baylor kids. He loves athleticism in his skill players. He also is not afraid of off the field stuff from college if they can earn his trust (Sheard, Taylor and Little come to mind) where as Nick Fairley and apparently Justin Blackmon we were wowed by on the field but when looked at them closely, we took a pass on.

I still say 4th or 5th unless he really wows at his workouts and interviews but 3rd is probably as high as I go unless I see Andre Johnson type of skills.

Supplemental draft prospect Gordon runs 4.52 forty at Pro Day
Posted by Evan Silva on July 10, 2012, 12:41 PM EDT
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Top supplemental draft prospect Josh Gordon conducted an individual Pro Day workout at the Houston Texans’ indoor facility on Tuesday morning. Per Adam Caplan, most NFL teams in attendance sent two personnel evaluators – in most instances their college scouting director and one area scout.

The Philadelphia Eagles, Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills, and Dallas Cowboys were among the teams confirmed to have attended. Obviously, there were Texans officials on hand, too. In all, 21 teams showed up.

Caplan reports that Gordon ran a 4.52 forty-yard dash after measuring in at 6-foot-3 1/8 and 224 pounds. Gordon recorded a 36-inch vertical leap with a 10-foot, 1-inch broad jump. He did 13 reps on the bench.

While the forty time isn’t quite as good as the pre-Pro Day hype might have suggested, it’s still very fast for a human being who weighs over 220 pounds. Gordon is big, and he can run.

This year’s supplemental draft will go down on Thursday.

At least one NFL scout has described Gordon as a “rare talent as far as supplemental drafts go.” We don’t expect him to get out of the third round. web page

you think a guy thats only played one year of ball, been arrested and failed multiple drug tests, skipped on his new team because he was broke " cheap" in the second round?


some of yall are quite literally insane....

all ya talk about is how players need to prove it.....how slow progression to success isn't good enough.

then the solution is to draft a single year player with character concerns based solely on measurables? in the second round?

thats quite a gamble....even as the article states, he'll not likely contribute this year due to missed time. so whats the hurry to burn the pick? ya cant stash him on the PS, so you gotta activate him to catch splinters? great....flippin....idea! lets hamper the team and waste a roster spot on a guy thats not gonna play.


wow.....desperation. most of you reek of it.

I can KIND of picture us offering a 5th, MAYBE a 4th . . .

With WR such a glaring need, look at what we came away w/ after free agency AND the entire 2012 draft. H&H aren't going to break down now and overspend on THIS guy, are they? Seems like too much off the field baggage to me.

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Have you seen our wide receivers?

Good news about the 4.52 is that it probably precludes us having to use our 2nd-rounder if we're interested. Hopefully the Bills don't get the draft order draw ahead of us and the Colts aren't interested (who even plays WR for them anymore?).

Do it Heckert. At the cost of a third round pick we could potentially "fix" our WR position for the future pulling in a guy with his athleticism. I wouldn't go higher than a third though.

man... an old guy, two guys who are a stubbed toe away from out of the league, and a 160-pound slot guy... I think they're a possibility.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/...s-at-pro-day#sf

A day after former TCU running back Ed Wesley demonstrated enough athleticism to potentially earn a late round selection in Thursday's supplemental draft, he was upstaged by Baylor wide receiver Josh Gordon, who, by clocking in at 4.52 seconds and catching every pass thrown to him, may have legitimized the hype building around his NFL potential.

Gordon, who officially measured in at 6-3 (1/8) and 224 pounds, performed in front of representatives of 21 teams, according to Adam Caplan of Sirius XM NFL Radio. His workout, which was originally scheduled to take place at Rice University, was moved to the practice bubble at the Houston Texans' facility due to weather concerns.

Shortly after Gordon's workout, results of his time in the 40-yard dash spread over the internet. Caplan reported Gordon's time in this event at 4.52 seconds. A league source on hand for the workout told me he had clocked Gordon at 4.55 seconds on his first attempt but that Gordon pulled his left quadriceps on his second try. Because of the injury he did not participate in the three cone or shuttle drills. He did, however, register a 36" vertical jump, as well as a 10'1 broad jump, as well as run routes and catches passes from former Ole Miss quarterback Jevan Snead.

Gordon was "a little stiff" in his route-running, according to the league source but caught the ball cleanly throughout the workout, demonstrating the ability to snatch the ball out of the air as well as track it over his shoulder.

As I noted in the blog post yesterday detailing Wesley's Pro Day, it is important to keep in mind that the athletes prepping for the supplemental draft haven't had the same amount of time to prepare for their Pro Day workouts as most players competing at the Scouting Combine or on-campus workouts prior to the April draft.

Still, when comparing Gordon's numbers to receivers tested in Indianapolis this past year, it is clear that he's a unique athlete well worthy of strong consideration as early as the second to third round.

Giving Gordon the benefit of the doubt and using the 4.52 second time in the 40-yard dash as the barometer, the former Baylor wideout would have tied with former Penn State receiver Derek Moye for the 11th fastest time recorded by a pass-catcher timed in Indianapolis. More impressively, consider that of those timed faster than Gordon, none were lighter than his 224 pounds.

Gordon's vertical also would have tied him for 11th among receivers tested in Indianapolis this past year. His broad jump (10'1 or 121") would have tied him for ninth and is comparable to the results posted by Michael Floyd (122") and his former teammate at Baylor Kendall Wright (121"), each of whom were selected in the first round. Justin Blackmon, who was the first receiver selected in April, did not participate in the broad jump at the Combine but registered a 10'4 broad jump during his March 9 Pro Day.

"[Gordon] is a talented athlete," the league source said. "You could see that on the tape. But this workout helped. There is no question he has the physical skills to play at this level."

While Gordon clearly has the size and athleticism scouts are looking for, teams will have to weigh in the fact that he hasn't played football since 2010 and has a checkered past.

Gordon looked like a future star at Baylor just a few years ago. While Wright led the team in both catches (78) and receiving yards (952), Gordon finished with the same number of touchdowns (tied for team lead with seven) in much more limited opportunities (42 catches for 714 yards). Gordon only caught one pass (for seven yards) in 2009.

Gordon was reportedly arrested in October of 2010 for marijuana possession and told John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that he failed a drug test during his time at Baylor. He elected to transfer to the University of Utah after being indefinitely suspended by head coach Art Briles but wasn't able to play this past season due to the NCAA's requirement that players sit out one year if transferring to another FBS program. Rather than play for the Utes this season he elected to make himself available to the supplemental draft with eligility remaining.

As the league source noted, there is no denying Gordon's physical upside. However, there is enough concern that Gordon may lack the dedication necessary to ever take full advantage of his natural skill set. As such, the interviews he had with teams prior and following his Pro Day workout will wind up being much more important to determining his final grade than his performance in drills Tuesday.

With enough uncertainly around the situation, Gordon could "slip" to the fourth round or later despite the talent to warrant consideration earlier.

The other guys. The Browns wont be using a pick on a concussion proned FB.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/...mental-draft#sf


RB Ed Wesley

Wesley shared the backfield duties last season with Waymon James and Matthew Tucker after his best season in 2010 with a team-best 1,078 rushing yards, earning First Team All-MWC honors. He leaves the college ranks with 2,442 career rushing yards and 21 touchdowns, averaging 10.9 yards per punt return on special teams.

Wesley (5-9, 200) has good vision, anticipation and decisive movements as a runner, but isn't overly elusive. He has battled the injury bug over his career, especially to his shoulder after missing three games last season. Wesley isn't guaranteed to be selected in the Supplemental Draft, but he was considered a mid-to-late round draft pick after his junior season.

Other eligible prospects for the 2012 NFL Supplemental Draft:

CB Quaylon Ewing, Boise State

Ewing was dismissed from the Boise State football team in January 2012 because he "did not live up to the standards of the program," according to a team spokesman. He started four games last season as a redshirt sophomore cornerback, but struggled with inconsistencies in coverage and maturity issues off of the field.

FB Adam Harris

Harris started his career at Cornell, but desired to play for a FBS-level program and walked-on at Syracuse in 2009. He started 21 games the past two seasons before team doctors shut him down because of multiple concussions. Harris had one final season of eligibility left, but he recently left the program.

OT Adrian Haughton

Haughton started 17 straight games as a freshman and sophomore, but was dismissed from the program in the summer of 2010. Head coach Paul Rhoads cited a "violation of team rules" as the reason for his dismissal, but didn't give any details. The Florida-native most recently played for the Orlando Predators in the AFL.

LB Larry Lumpkin

This past March, Carson-Newman announced Lumpkin wouldn't be returning for his senior season due to academics. He earned First Team All-South Atlantic honors last season, finishing with 94 tackles and 10.5 tackles for loss. Lumpkin, who has experience at defensive end, inside and outside linebacker, began his career at Alabama A&M.

DE Montez Robinson

Robinson was a high-profile recruit out of high school in Indiana, choosing Georgia over LSU, Alabama and Auburn. At 6-5 and 240-pounds, he played only one season at Georgia as a true freshman back-up in 2009, recording five tackles and a pair of sacks. He was suspended in December 2009 and dismissed from the team in April 2010 because of multiple arrests, requiring jail time.

WR Houston Tuminello

Tuminello recorded 10 catches as a sophomore starter for Louisiana Tech in 2009, but left the team in October that season due to personal reasons. He spent the next few seasons between FCS-program Stephen F. Austin and Division III's McMurray, but wasn't productive on the field at either school.

hmm... he's only 3/4" taller than Griffin. Too short to be a franchise wideout.

I agree. I would be very surprised if any team offered up a 3rd. I think there will be a few 4ths and a slew of 5ths. I can't see any team giving up a 3rd on a player that not only hasn't played much, but has so much baggage.