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Obviously the front office was impressed enough and even though the kid comes with baggage, physically, he is the type of WR the Browns need playing for them in the AFC North.
Why wait a year to use one of our high draft picks to fill a need at WR, when we can acquire one now. Gordon will have this year to knock the rust off and refine his game.
I'm about to add something that might upset my fellow dawgs...Cribbs might be on the trading block as the Browns try to recoup next years draft pick they just used.
I'm not advocating the Browns trade Cribbs...just saying it is a possibility, given the over abundance of receivers the Browns have.
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I wonder how long a pulled quad takes to heal. He didnt complete all his drills.
I think they took him higher then they wanted to but Washington was in the mix with RG3 ties.
So Heckert uses 2 second round picks on WRs that didnt play the year before, this kid must have some good hands.
I think Heckerts job should be on the line if they lose out on next years 2nd pick and its a high selection. WRs must be a big need. I would have liked to see Burress as a FA.
I wonder how much input Holmgren has? He supposed to sit back and let everyone do their job.
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color me skeptical. basically the same scouting report as Carlton Mitchell (40rec last year in school, almost identical combine numbers) except he had a year off school, some off-field red flags.
I am hopeful in that the Browns FO has hit on character concern players from Baylor in the past (Phil Taylor) and I am sure they did extensive HW on this guy. The one thing that no scouting report seems to mention are how good his hands are. If they are good, then this can be a good pick.
Very interesting to say the least.
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I'm in shock.. damn Peen,, did you have some inside info man LOL
OH well, if he's good,,, we're not going to mind having him across from Little.
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Browns use 2013 second-round pick to select ex-Baylor WR Josh Gordon Jul 12, 2012 -- 1:45pm Tony Grossi Showing unusual aggressiveness, the Browns forfeited their second-round pick in 2013 to select former Baylor wide receiver Josh Gordon in today’s NFL supplemental draft. Gordon, 6-3 1/8 and 224 pounds, was suspended indefinitely by Baylor in 2010 for failing a test for marijuana. He transferred to Utah and sat out the 2011 season in anticipation of completing his college eligibility in 2012. But financial pressures at home reportedly made him change his mind and he opted for the supplemental draft two days before the deadline. The Browns got a break when they won the No. 2 spot in the draft order -- through a weighted lottery. The Buffalo Bills were No. 1. The Browns spent a day with Gordon last week at their headquarters, a league source told ESPNCleveland.com. They had him take a physical and spent “a long time” discussing his issues. GM Tom Heckert came away convinced the issues were behind Gordon. The Browns “discovered” Gordon on game tape while scouting Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III and receiver Kendall Wright – two players they tried to acquire this spring, only to lose them to Washington and Tennessee, respectively. The Browns had two scouts at Gordon’s pro day workout on Tuesday. Gordon timed the 40-yard dash in 4.52 before pulling a quadriceps muscle. The Browns, and most other teams, considered the time impressive considering Gordon’s physical dimensions. Nobody as heavy as him ran a better 40 at the NFL combine. Because he hasn’t played since 2010, and because he has missed the entire offseason of camps, Gordon will need time to work his way in. But a Browns source said they fully expect him to help them as a rookie. Eventually, Gordon has the physical tools, and the hands, to be their new No. 1 receiver. A league source said Gordon would have been a top 10 selection in 2013 in he had stayed healthy and played in 2012. web page
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Could be - but we all know you aren't a spelling teacher. 
But - this means we lose next years second round pick, is that right?
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Yes, we forfeit our 2nd rd pick in 2013
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Are you sure it's not Flash Gordita? 
Not too happy at the moment. It's going to take a heck of a showing to make up for the loss of that 2nd rounder.
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That is correct.
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Could be - but we all know you aren't a spelling teacher.
But - this means we lose next years second round pick, is that right?
That's my understanding.. it will only matter if he doesn't produce.. If he does what people think he can, we'll be happy fans..
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And, we could have a pretty imposing group of WRs, size-wise. Little has lost some weight, but he's still a strong guy not afraid of contact. I believe Gordon is like that, too.
I have no problem with a little "punch you in the mouth" group of WRs.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Its a joke around our house. If I bring home some ice cream, she'll ask "how did you know I was in the mood for ice cream?", and I answer "I'm physic". You kinda have to be there ... Anyhoo, yes we give up next years 2nd rounder.
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A league source said Gordon would have been a top 10 selection in 2013 in he had stayed healthy and played in 2012.
I mean, you never know, but I hadn't seen that anywhere.
Walter has Woods, Allen, and Hunter in the top16 (and another 3 WR in the 2nd round - none of them Gordon)
CBS has Woods, Allen and Hunter as 1st rounders as well.
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Obviously the front office was impressed enough and even though the kid comes with baggage, physically, he is the type of WR the Browns need playing for them in the AFC North.
Why wait a year to use one of our high draft picks to fill a need at WR, when we can acquire one now. Gordon will have this year to knock the rust off and refine his game.
I'm about to add something that might upset my fellow dawgs...Cribbs might be on the trading block as the Browns try to recoup next years draft pick they just used.
I'm not advocating the Browns trade Cribbs...just saying it is a possibility, given the over abundance of receivers the Browns have.
Possibly. Or they wise up and put Cribbs back to where he shines...ST expert. I can't fathom many teams would give up too much for Cribss, to be completely honest. No way they recoup a 2nd round pick. He's not a polished WR by any means and if his real value is on ST, then the Browns should keep him there.
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Man, usually once they're one of us, I am fine and content. I'm getting angrier as time passes. This is feeling more & more like too much of a big reach. I feel like I should be happy for his talent and the fact that H&H are trying, but no, still not feeling to happy . . . Fingers crossed . . . 
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So, who is most likely to make our final roster now for our WR's?
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Most likely to make it would be Greg Little 
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A league source said Gordon would have been a top 10 selection in 2013 in he had stayed healthy and played in 2012.
I mean, you never know, but I hadn't seen that anywhere.
Walter has Woods, Allen, and Hunter in the top16 (and another 3 WR in the 2nd round - none of them Gordon)
CBS has Woods, Allen and Hunter as 1st rounders as well.
That's what I meant earlier when I said Grossi had some eye openers this morning. He had a few more that I can't find in print anywhere, but suffice to say, It appears his Julio Jones man-crush may be over.
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Cleveland Browns take Baylor WR Josh Gordon in 2nd round By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com The Cleveland Browns drafted Baylor wide receiver Josh Gordon in the second round of the 2012 supplemental draft. The Browns made their aggressive move despite the fact that they "won" the second pick of each round in the 2012 supplemental draft and therefore could have beaten out every team other than the Buffalo Bills, who were awarded the first pick as part of the "lottery" the NFL uses in determing the supplemental draft order each July. The 6-3, 224 pound Gordon certainly boasts the size and athleticism to warrant such a lofty grade but teams generally are loathe to give up such high picks in the supplemental draft. The last time a player was selected as high as the second round in the supplemental draft came in 2003 when the Houston Texans selected former Georgia Tech running back Tony Hollings. No one player has been selected in the first round since former Duke quarterback Dave Brown in 1992. Cleveland had demonstrated a great deal of interest in Gordon prior to Thursday's draft. They selected defensive tackle Phil Taylor out of Baylor in the first round in 2011, strongly pursued a trade up to take Robert Griffin III this year and publicly acknowledged that they would have taken Kendall Wright with the No. 22 overall pick this past April had he not been selected by the Tennessee Titans two picks earlier. The Browns will lose their second round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft with this move. It will be very interesting to see what impact Gordon, who only has one true season of college football under his belt, will have for the Browns in 2012 ... as well as the caliber of talent available when Cleveland would have selected in the second round next April. The reaction by others throughout the league following the Browns selection was equal parts surprise and negative. Said one high-ranking NFL executive speaking on the condition of anonymity, "I was stunned that [the Browns] took [Gordon] that high. What a roll of the dice... and in the second round? That's the No. 34 overall pick!" Another showed his reaction to the news via a text: "Desperate move. Wow. Staff is on the hot seat trying to make something happen..." Former league executive Tony Softli, who last served as the Vice President of player personnel for the St. Louis Rams and previously as the director of college scouting for the Carolina Panthers, had this to say about the selection on Twitter: "Cleveland Browns make a pivotal decision in 2012 Supplemental Draft that could have a negative rippling effect on front office and coaches" The complete selection order determined by the weighted lottery system used by the NFL was as follows: Buffalo Cleveland Tampa Bay Miami St. Louis Minnesota Washington Jacksonville Indianapolis Carolina Philadelphia San Diego Tennessee Oakland Arizona Kansas City Seattle Chicago New York Jets Dallas San Francisco Houston Pittsburgh Atlanta Cincinnati Baltimore New England New Orleans Green Bay Denver Detroit New York Giants The supplemental draft is conducted entirely via email between the league and its 32 teams. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/...on-in-2nd-round
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Evidently Heckert will discuss the Gordon pick via conference call at 3PM. (According to Mary Kay Cabot)
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So we have a 1st round RB, a 1st round QB, a 2nd round RT, a 2nd round DE, a 1st round DT, and two 2nd round WRs from the last two years of drafts.
With the third pick of the 2013 NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select David Amerson, CB North Carolina State University.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/wr...?sct=nfl_t11_a0first scouting report that I found that talked about 'how' he caught the ball and how his hands were. he's very positive on Gordon at least: Quote:
Forced to leave the Utah program due to financial constraints. Attempted to transfer to Houston for the 2012 season but was told he would have to sit out the season due to NCAA regulations.
Positives: Tall, fluid pass catcher with tremendous upside potential. Plays with great balance as well as body control. Has large, soft hands and easily makes the reception in stride. Consistent hand catcher and extends to make the reception away from his frame.
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Mitchell putting up these numbers as a senior and Gordon posting similar numbers in essentially his first year playing college ball must count for something, right?
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it does. and the CNNSI report I posted is very complementary of his hand-catching (hadn't seen that elsewhere).
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it does. and the CNNSI report I posted is very complementary of his hand-catching (hadn't seen that elsewhere).
I read he caught everything from Jevan Snead during workouts with a pulled quad.
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Well, this looks like a gigantic overdraft, an early 2nd for a knuckelhead like Gordon? Cmon  We're officially in win now mode thanks to Holmgren's stupid offseason comments when he pretty much put the entire staff on the hot seat if they don't somehow win 7+ games
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Man, usually once they're one of us, I am fine and content.
I'm getting angrier as time passes. This is feeling more & more like too much of a big reach. I feel like I should be happy for his talent and the fact that H&H are trying, but no, still not feeling to happy . . .
Fingers crossed . . .
I certainly can understand why you feel that way. the kid does come with some baggage. But here's the thing. Heckert knew all that.. so did our scouts and coach and Pres.. He spent the day in Berea. You would think that these guys are smart enough to be able to flesh out the truth about where his heads at now. Wouldn't surprise me to find out they had a Schrink talk to him a little during his visit.
Measurables are there.. he's got the physical tools. as a rookie he showed some skills.
But projecting where he'll be right now after 2 years away from the game? wow. like I said, I understand your concerns.
This could be a HUGE win for us....
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Anyone else think it's totally awesome and random that Snead is the guy throwing to him?
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now big time stiffs like Massaqiou will have to actually come in a compete for a job.
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LOL, the last time he played, it was for the Tampa Bay Storm. He never played for the team he signed for as an undrafted FA.
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maybe he was trying to say "I can even catch the ball from a crappy QB."
Either that, or they have the same agent.
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both are from Texas so it's also possible they played together in football camps or even from the same area, etc.
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Plus, I read that the FO talked with Jordan Norwoods father who is/was on the staff at Baylor.
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well, that is a bit awkward. so, Mr. Norwood. we are considering drafting a WR you coached who could potentially put a roster squeeze on WR for your son. What do you think about him?
(yes, I realize they are competing for different positions with Norwood the slot and Gordon likely a SE, but 1 more WR means 1 less open slot)
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Mitchell putting up these numbers as a senior and Gordon posting similar numbers in essentially his first year playing college ball must count for something, right?
Mitchell was a junior when he declared.
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Well this is certainly interesting. I hope he works out but supplemental drafts are a crap shoot at best. Keep him away from the weed and maybe he'll be a decent receiver. He's certainly big enough.
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