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if Holmgren felt that Childress was a better HC than Shurmur, then wouldn't he have just hired him to begin with? Childress wasn't employed at the time when Shurmur was hired afterall.
Yeah, that's a good point that seems to get lost in this debate.
I don't think it does. We already had a HC under contract. He had only coached for one year. So you had a vacancy at the OC position and a HC in place.
To have fired a HC after only one year wouldn't have looked good and would have insured a lot of bad press. I'm not saying that Shurmer will screw the pooch and this will happen. However, I do think if we don't win at least six games, the likelihood is far greater than many seem to think.
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Jauron being handed the reigns would make me as nervous as doing so w/ Childress.
If these guys are going to finally prove they can be good pro head coaches, I don't want us to be part of that experiment.
Ok, obviously if they proved it, I'd be happy, but I'd be sweatin' and pukin' bullets waiting to see the results . . .
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This whole thread is ridiculous. The end.
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if Holmgren felt that Childress was a better HC than Shurmur, then wouldn't he have just hired him to begin with? Childress wasn't employed at the time when Shurmur was hired afterall.
Why would Childress have even wanted the job then? There was a huge void in talent here and Holmgren was building the D.
My contention is that Chidress took the OC job under the circumstances that Holmgren was ready to build and dedicate to building the O now with lots of nice, new, shiny toys!
There was absolutely no tools for success when Shurmer was hired here which is why finding someone to even take the position with good credentials and experience would have been next to impossible.
In all honesty, as a Browns fan, I hope that we have a fantastic season and make it to the playoffs and beyond. But to think that Holmgren didn't put a Plan B in place when given the oppertunity to do so I feel is just a tad bit naive.
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if Holmgren felt that Childress was a better HC than Shurmur, then wouldn't he have just hired him to begin with? Childress wasn't employed at the time when Shurmur was hired afterall.
Yeah, that's a good point that seems to get lost in this debate.
I don't think it does. We already had a HC under contract. He had only coached for one year. So you had a vacancy at the OC position and a HC in place.
To have fired a HC after only one year wouldn't have looked good and would have insured a lot of bad press. I'm not saying that Shurmer will screw the pooch and this will happen. However, I do think if we don't win at least six games, the likelihood is far greater than many seem to think.
They meant BEFORE we hired Shurmur..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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There are some things most people don't understand,they've never possessed them and never will,honesty,integrity and loyalty.
So you believe that Childress is not honest and loyal to Holmgren? That taking a deal where you would be promoted in the event that the current HC is not successful somehow is a black mark against your integrity?
I guess we must ask ourselves these questions because you make it sound like these would be some kind of questionable character traits on the part of Childress and I see nothing of the kind.
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Being an exjarhead and now a coach Childress has all 3 in spades.He didn't come here to be HC in waiting or to revive his career.He is here because he an honorable man..
But in this country these days an honorable man is considered corny and behide the times,thus he must have an agenda.That allows posters to speculate about his motives.
Motives? What mottives? Childress, IMO, was offered the job of OC with the condition that if he performs in helping these rookies and our O overall over the course of the season, if the FO decides he to make a change in their HC, he would be first in line to get that job.
There is nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact is is a good oppertunity to get back into the NFL coaching business. And can you explain to me what is so wrong about that?
Nobody is suggesting any of these assertions you seem to be implying. If shurmer doesn't produce wins, this FO will likely be looking to make a coaching change. The job as a HC in the NFL is to win games. So why do you think it's so terrible to replace a man who isn't accomplishing that?
And if he is to be replaced, what is wrong with the boss telling you that you would have the upper hand at getting that promotion if you are doing a good job as the OC?
Wouldn't and shouldn't his loyalty be to his superiors and the betterment of this team? Childress has no influence or say soin the hiring or firings here. Holmgren does.
You make it sound as if accepting a good career oppertunity is some kind of character defect. Where did you ever get that from?
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if Holmgren felt that Childress was a better HC than Shurmur, then wouldn't he have just hired him to begin with? Childress wasn't employed at the time when Shurmur was hired afterall.
Yeah, that's a good point that seems to get lost in this debate.
I don't think it does. We already had a HC under contract. He had only coached for one year. So you had a vacancy at the OC position and a HC in place.
To have fired a HC after only one year wouldn't have looked good and would have insured a lot of bad press. I'm not saying that Shurmer will screw the pooch and this will happen. However, I do think if we don't win at least six games, the likelihood is far greater than many seem to think.
They meant BEFORE we hired Shurmur..
Ah! there you go and went and muddied the water of a good story with good old fashion facts 
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They meant BEFORE we hired Shurmur..
Was Holgren ready to make the promise to get Childress the players to build an offense with then? No he wasn't. He still had a year to go in building the D.
Why would Childress wish to come here with no real chance of winning? What makes you think Childress wanted the job then?
Let's face it, until this year, when Homgren decided to dedicate this off season to building the O, there really weren't the players in place to attract anyone here.
I do believe Holmgren is a straight shooter with the people he hires on his staff. This year he could offer up something to attract a guy like Childress. But up until now? Not really...
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Ah! there you go and went and muddied the water of a good story with good old fashion facts
Tell me what the facts are this time next year. LMAO
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This whole thread is ridiculous. The end.
It's better than all the boring re-hashed crap that we've been talking about since mini-camps ended.
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Ah! there you go and went and muddied the water of a good story with good old fashion facts
Tell me what the facts are this time next year. LMAO
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I doubt it.
Holmgren really went out on a limb to hire Shurmur. He is doing everything he can to help him be successful. Holmgren doesn't want to look bad. People already questioned the hiring of Shurmur, and I would bet that he gets every opportunity to succeed.
As far as Childress ..... no one is going to hire him to be their head coach while he's sitting at home on the couch. If he helps turn this team around, then he gets his reputation as a guy who knows how to help turn a team around. That's what most teams want when they hire a new head coach.
and he didnt come here to work for Childress- he came here to work for Holmgren...
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Reue of Childress?
You mean the "OC" who didn't call plays under Reid, went to Minnesota, had a losing record his first season, and then underperformed the next 3 years with what may have been a top 3 talented team in football (best RB, amazing center, LG, and LT combo, possibly best DL in football, 1 season with the Old Favre). IMO, there's no reason that team should not have won the Super Bowl after the '09 season. He was out coached often.
Now I do think he fits the bill of an OC like what he has now. HC, please heaven, no!
Enough of this nonsense.
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So if we have a below .500 record in year four of that five year plan, who do you feel Holmgren would be more comfortable accomplishing his goal with at the helm?
If we have a below .500 record in year 4, Holmgren WILL NOT get a year 5.....
P.S: Watch out for Romeo Crennell and the Cheifs this year...they will get the AFC West division title and a playoff spot this year....Romeo is a fine coach as long as you don't hand him turds and expect him to turn it into silver.
Im not a fan of Shurmur, but its not like the guy ha smuch to work with outside od Trich, Thomas, Mack, Cribbs, Rubin, Jackson, and Ward....
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I'd bet money Holmgren gets his five years. That's the plan he sold to both Lerner and fans alike and he'll get every minute of it. And if we only get 3-5 wins this year, I'd also bet money Chilli is head coach next year. You don't pay an OC 4.5 to 5 mil a year for nothing. That's HC money.
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Do you notice a theme in the people who have this opinion? I certainly did 
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Only on this board would people be advocating our OC to bump our head coach BEFORE CHILDRESS HAS COACHED HIS FIRST GAME WITH US.....
*facepalm*
The season really needs to start. People are getting crazy.
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Only on this board would people be advocating our OC to bump our head coach BEFORE CHILDRESS HAS COACHED HIS FIRST GAME WITH US.....
*facepalm*
The season really needs to start. People are getting crazy.
lol.. a lot of our coordinators have gotten the "head coach" talk on this board..
Todd Grantham..
Chudzinski..
It is what it is though.. I don't care who coaches.. I just want W's.
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i see tin foil hats are required in this thread....holy cow!
so, what your saying is that holmgren is gonna panic and fire his 2nd year head coach to hire another guy who was fired for incompetence? you have any other criteria to judge these coaches other than chilly's teams making a few playoffs? how'd that team do again after farves arm fell off? oh, they tanked you say? chilly was fired as a result? uh huh....sounds just like the guy holmgren would have seen 3 years ago and thought to himself "im gonna concoct a huge conspiracy to hire a rookie head coach and set him up to fail, that way i'll have the team ready for chilly (who is available at this moment since he just got canned) after he helps patty cakes get the offense up to speed."
so, holmgren is gonna get his 5 years....but in a brilliant move, is gonna panic and change coaches after 2 years, making chilly the 3rd coach in 4 years. yeah...you thought that one thru, eh?
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Only on this board would people be advocating our OC to bump our head coach BEFORE CHILDRESS HAS COACHED HIS FIRST GAME WITH US.....
*facepalm*
The season really needs to start. People are getting crazy.
lol.. a lot of our coordinators have gotten the "head coach" talk on this board..
Todd Grantham..
Chudzinski..
It is what it is though.. I don't care who coaches.. I just want W's.
sidenote: I wish we had kept Chud and his offense.
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Me too.
If Weeden is a smarter DA with better touches on his short throws, he might be fun to watch in a Chud offense.
Chud is a stud.
Best coach we've had since the return, IMO.
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sidenote: I wish we had kept Chud and his offense.
I thought we dumped him too soon, as well. At least under his direction, the team was scoring points. For a time there, the Browns were perhaps THE most unpredictable, exciting team to watch in the league.
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I don't know, there was a coach named Bruce Arians that put up over 400 passing yards in a playoff game in Pittsburgh with a journeyman QB and a bunch of average receivers.
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Was that before or after he ran the double reverse on the goal line?
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Was that before or after he ran the double reverse on the goal line?
probably before he helped leed the steelers to the superbowl with a pass first offense
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That's right. I forgot it was their offense and not their defense that did that. They made the right decision in retaining him.
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sidenote: I wish we had kept Chud and his offense.
I thought we dumped him too soon, as well. At least under his direction, the team was scoring points. For a time there, the Browns were perhaps THE most unpredictable, exciting team to watch in the league.
Chud ran the Norv Turner offense, which is different from the Mangini offense. Chud is a good coach, and I would not be surprised to see him get a HC gig...
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I'd like to see that... if only to see what he might be able to do with an infrstructure that could actually support someone for more than one or two seasons.
Call it an "NFL intellectual exercise," if you must.
My take: Chudz was in the right role at the wrong time,,, for himself, for the team.... and for the timeline that is Browns Football. [bangs head repeatedly against desk]
I think the kid has big positives... and I hope he gets another shot.
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