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I don't think we cut Fujita. Not saying it isn't a good idea, but I don't think we do it.
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Fujita will be on the suspended-reserve list to open the season.
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i thought that still took up one of our 53 slots though
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i thought that still took up one of our 53 slots though
I don't think so. I think we get an exemption while he's suspended.
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i thought that still took up one of our 53 slots though
I don't think so. I think we get an exemption while he's suspended.
if true, then it makes no sense that Hargrove got cut. if he doesn't count anyways, then he is a free player to have stick around just in case.
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suspended players don't count against the 53. The articles about players returning from suspension always mention who was waived to clear the roster spot: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-11-05-3189888112_x.htm Quote:
WR Chris Henry rejoins Bengals after completing 8-game suspension
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CINCINNATI — Receiver Chris Henry was activated by the Cincinnati Bengals on Monday, having completed his eight-game suspension for violating the NFL's conduct policy.
The Bengals waived receiver Skyler Green, a second-year player from Louisiana State, to open a roster spot for Henry. Green played in the first seven games and had four catches for 40 yards. He also returned nine punts for a 4.2-yard average.
Henry was in the locker room Monday, but declined comment because the Bengals hadn't yet added him to the active roster. The move was made later in the day.
The Bengals were looking forward to getting back Henry, hoping he could take some pressure off receivers Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh and help the offense get rolling. Instead, his return comes too late.
The Bengals fell to 2-6 on Sunday with a 33-21 loss in Buffalo. Henry's suspension played a role in the team's downfall, depriving the Bengals of one of their best threats near the goal line. Henry had nine touchdown catches in only 13 games last season, tying Houshmandzadeh for most by a Bengals receiver.
Last season, Henry was suspended by the league for two games and benched for another by coach Marvin Lewis because of his misconduct. Henry was charged in four separate cases during his first two seasons with the Bengals.
Lewis also declined to talk about Henry on Monday because he hadn't been reinstated at the time of the coach's news conference.
Henry is one of 10 Bengals who faced criminal charges in a 14-month span. The misconduct was a factor in commissioner Roger Goodall strengthening the league's conduct policy this year.
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(Fujita to Reserve-Suspended list)
I never knew there was such a list.
If he makes the roster (likely), then he will count towards the 53 man roster.
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I never knew there was such a list.
If he makes the roster (likely), then he will count towards the 53 man roster.
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no... nobody on a reserve list counts towards the 53-man roster.
"Reserve" is the complement to "Active"
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suspended players don't count against the 53. The articles about players returning from suspension always mention who was waived to clear the roster spot:
I think that the team gets an exemption, but in reality the suspended players are on the roster. If Haden and Fujita are suspended then we will actually have 55 players on our roster for opening day.
The fore mentioned included of course.
The roster exemption is so any team can have an equal number of "eligible" players.
That's why teams have to waive a player once they have somebody coming off suspension.
Semantics aside, they are suspended. They are not FA's and they are not on the Injured Reserve for the season and ineligible for that season.
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My stab at it:
Offense (24)
QB (3)
Brandon Weeden
Colt McCoy
Thaddeus Lewis
RB (3)
Trent Richardson
Montario Hardesty
Brandon Jackson
FB (2)
Owen Marecic
Brad Smelley
TE (3)
Ben Watson
Jordan Cameron
Alex Smith
WR (5)
Josh Gordon
Greg Little
Mohamed Massaquoi
Travis Benjamin
Jordan Norwood
OL (8)
Joe Thomas
Jason Pinkston
Alex Mack
Shawn Lauvao
Mitchell Schwartz
John Greco
Ryan Miller
Jarrod Shaw
Defense (25)
DL (9)
Phil Taylor (PUP)
Jabaal Sheard
Ahtyba Rubin
John Hughes
Frostee Rucker
Billy Winn
Juqua Parker
Ronnie Cameron
Ernest Owusu
LB (7)
James-Michael Johnson
D'Qwell Jackson
Kaluka Maiava
Scott Fujita
L.J. Fort
Craig Robertson
Quinton Spears
DB (9)
Joe Haden
Sheldon Brown
Dimitri Patterson
Buster Skrine
Trevin Wade
James Dockery
TJ Ward
Eric Hagg
David Simms
Special Teams (4)
K Phil Dawson
P Reggie Hodges
KR Josh Cribbs
LS Christian Yount
IR Chris Gocong
IR Marcus Benard
"Big" Cuts
Seneca Wallace – Has been outplayed by Colt in the pre-season, isn’t worth the money and would be a malcontent all year as our 3rd QB.
Oniel Cousins – The dude is awful. I know he’s a veteran who can play multiple positions but he’s slow as molasses and could end up getting Weeden killed if he has to play. Do the right thing Heckert.
Chris Ogbonnaya - Heckert drafted Hardesty and Jackson has the skillset you'd want in a backup RB. That means adios to Chris even though he played well enough with us recently.
Evan Moore – Just can’t stay healthy, can’t block worth a lick and Cameron’s play in the pre-season has made him expendable.
Usama Young – Always seems to get hurt and can’t cover a LB. Simms has flashed enough that he’s earned a spot but Young will make the team if Haden ends up getting suspended.
Bubble Guys (guys who shouldn’t buy a new house just because they make the pre-waiver 53)
- Jarrod Shaw
- Ernest Owusu
- Quinton Spears
- Craig Robertson
- David Simms
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Ben Watson
Jordan Cameron
Alex Smith
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My final, final 53. (before other teams' cuts)
DB: (9) Bademosi, Brown, Haden, Hagg, Patterson, Sims, Skrine, Wade, Ward
DL: (8) Parker, Rucker, Paxson, Rubin, Sheard, Stephens, Winn, Hughes
FB: (2) Marecic, Smelley
K: (1) Dawson
LB: (6) Fort, Fujita, Jackson, JMJ, Maiava, Robertson
LS: (1) Yount
OL: (8) Thomas, Pinkston, Mack, Lauvao, Schwartz, Cousins, Greco, Miller. (ugh)
P: (1) Hodges
QB: (3) Weeden, Wallace, Lewis (whether McCoy is traded or not)
RB: (4) Richardson, Hardesty, Jackson, Ogbonnaya
TE: (4) Watson, Cameron, Moore, Gronkowski
WR: (6) Little, Masaquoi, Benjamin, Gordon, Norwood, Cribbs
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DB: (9) Bademosi, Brown, Haden, Hagg, Patterson, Sims, Skrine, Wade, Ward
DL: (8) Parker, Rucker, Paxson, Rubin, Sheard, Stephens, Winn, Hughes
FB: (2) Marecic, Smelley
K: (1) Dawson
LB: (6) Fort, Fujita, Jackson, JMJ, Maiava, Robertson
LS: (1) Yount
OL: (8) Thomas, Pinkston, Mack, Lauvao, Schwartz, Cousins, Greco, Miller. (ugh)
P: (1) Hodges
QB: (3) Weeden, Wallace, Lewis (whether McCoy is traded or not)
RB: (4) Richardson, Hardesty, Jackson, Ogbonnaya
TE: (4) Watson, Cameron, Moore, Gronkowski
WR: (6) Little, Masaquoi, Benjamin, Gordon, Norwood, Cribbs
I'd be ok with that...but I'd change:
Cameron > Paxson
A Thomas > Ogbonnnaayyaaynay
A Smith > Marecic
McCoy > Wallace
I'd be ok if they cut Hardesty
I wish they would cut Fujita
I hope we can keep Gibson on PS
I hope Winn emerges as a DE after Taylor gets back
It's funny...I think we will have some tough cuts to get to 53...but some crazy-easy spots to upgrade after all the cuts take place.
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OL, LB, RB,
The really funny thing about that is just a couple of weeks ago, OL & RB are two spots you would have said we were deep at, and probably set for a while.
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I think that Ogbonnaya makes it over Thomas because he can handle the whole offense. With 3 RB ahead of his all returning from injury, we need a guy who can play all 3 downs. That's not Thomas.
The Browns seem to like Marecic. I think that they would let him go though if Clutts becomes available. Man is he a crushing blocker, along with a capable receiver.
They also seem to like Paxson. I could see that going either way though.
McCoy/Wallace is just a gut feeling, influenced by pain meds. That one could go either way too.
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I believe Clutts has now been cut, so we shall see if your Nostradomas or not 
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Yep. The Texans traded a CB for him.
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Mike Kafka generating interest on waivers Posted by Evan Silva on September 1, 2012, 12:38 PM EDT Quarterback Mike Kafka was waived Friday evening after the Eagles unsuccessfully attempted to trade him, but that doesn’t mean no one wants him. Tim McManus of the Birds 24/7 Blog reports that Kafka has generated interest from the Chiefs, Patriots, Packers, and Browns since Friday’s roster move. Kafka, a fourth-round selection in the 2010 draft, appeared in just one preseason game due to a fracture in his non-throwing hand. He’s expected to be healthy now and could compete for a No. 2 quarterback job on one of the above listed teams. Kafka and Brian Hoyer, who was cut by the Patriots on Friday, are the two most interesting quarterback names currently on waivers. Kafka may be a bit more appealing to teams because he’s owed minimum base salaries in 2012 and 2013. The cost to claim Hoyer would be $1.927 million, the price of his restricted free agent tender. web page
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Of those 4 teams the Browns had the worst record last year so, would get first chance to get him off waivers, I believe.
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Some moves made, and final practice squad list. Final for now.
Browns make more roster moves following cut day
By Nate Ulrich Published: September 1, 2012
The Browns were awarded linebacker Tank Carder off waivers from the Buffalo Bills and defensive tackle Ishmaa’ily Kitchen off waivers from the Baltimore Ravens, a team spokesman said today.
The Browns waived defensive end Brian Sanford and placed defensive tackle Scott Paxson on the waived/injured list to make room for Carder and Kitchen, a Kent State product.
The Browns also formed their eight-man practice squad by signing the following players to it: linebackers Solomon Elimimian and Benjamin Jacobs, defensive tackle Ronnie Cameron, center Garth Gerhard, guard Jarrod Shaw, offensive tackle Jeff Shugarts, wide receiver Josh Cooper and fullback Brad Smelley, a seventh-round pick in this year’s draft.
Elimimian is the only member of the practice squad who didn’t spend at least part of training camp with the Browns this summer. He was waived by Minnesota Vikings on Friday.
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Browns make more roster moves following cut day
By Nate Ulrich Published: September 1, 2012
The Browns were awarded linebacker Tank Carder off waivers from the Buffalo Bills and defensive tackle Ishmaa’ily Kitchen off waivers from the Baltimore Ravens, a team spokesman said today.
The Browns waived defensive end Brian Sanford and placed defensive tackle Scott Paxson on the waived/injured list to make room for Carder and Kitchen, a Kent State product.
The Browns also formed their eight-man practice squad by signing the following players to it: linebackers Solomon Elimimian and Benjamin Jacobs, defensive tackle Ronnie Cameron, center Garth Gerhard, guard Jarrod Shaw, offensive tackle Jeff Shugarts, wide receiver Josh Cooper and fullback Brad Smelley, a seventh-round pick in this year’s draft.
Elimimian is the only member of the practice squad who didn’t spend at least part of training camp with the Browns this summer. He was waived by Minnesota Vikings on Friday.
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I didn't comment on the roster moves yesterday, because I knew that they where bound to change.
I like that PS.
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And some Tank Carder info.. Looks like a high motor, over achiever type with less than ideal physical tools. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/tank-carder?id=2533029Draft Analysis: Bucky Brooks' take: Carder is a highly productive inside linebacker with outstanding instincts. He actively hunts runners between the tackles and his fantastic feel for the game could give him a chance to find a role Buffalo's defense. Overview Carder has been a highly effective player ever since his shining performance during the Rose Bowl in January 2011. The reliable and consistent high-motor linebacker might not have the athletic ability to be drafted, but teams will have a hard time letting him get through camp unsigned. His competitiveness and toughness should land him a spot as a backup and special teams player. He didn't play much with the special teams unit in college, but he could be a contributor there in the NFL for years to come. Analysis StrengthsThe Mountain West defensive player of the year was extremely steady. He is active in the run game and relies heavily on his instincts to diagnose plays and hit his gaps. He is big, strong and a productive tackler. He knows how to read offensive lines, and will fight his way into the NFL. WeaknessesCarder is a bit undersized and isn't fast enough to start in the NFL right away. His lack of athleticism can be exposed when he has to drop into coverage and scan the field for crossing routes. He needs to work toward the ball to be productive, and relies very heavily on instincts. Many will question his athletic ability; Carder must have strong workouts before the draft
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He was a nice player here.
Nothing to get too excited about though. Carder on the other hand is intriguing
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Nothing to get too excited about though. Carder on the other hand is intriguing
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Carder is a big improvement over that bum Jacobs. He was really good in college but you tcu plays a funky defense so is tough to say how he'll translate to an NFL4-3. This is like a free draft pick and could be one of the better moves of the offseason I think. If nothing else of its good to have another attacking linebacker.
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I think that we where a little thin at the LBer position, so this was a prudent move imo.
I still think that we are a little thin on the OL as well (keeping only 8 is risky business), so it was good to see that we signed 3 to the PS.
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Just posted an article in the Tank Carder thread that says the Browns have 15 rookies on their roster...that is unreal...
...if the Browns do not have the youngest roster in the NFL, they have to be close to it.
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Just posted an article in the Tank Carder thread that says the Browns have 15 rookies on their roster...that is unreal...
...if the Browns do not have the youngest roster in the NFL, they have to be close to it.
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some cool stuff:
here's the jist of our ages:
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Browns make practice squad move
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The Browns made two changes to the practice squad, the team announced Monday morning.
The Cleveland Browns today signed defensive lineman Brian Sanford to the practice squad, the team announced. In addition, the club released linebacker Solomon Elimimian from the practice squad.
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The Browns made two changes to the practice squad, the team announced Monday morning.
The Cleveland Browns today signed defensive lineman Brian Sanford to the practice squad, the team announced. In addition, the club released linebacker Solomon Elimimian from the practice squad.
So wait... we signed Elimimian to the practice squat on the 1st and let him go two days later? That sucks for him... wonder how that works in terms of pay...
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