Quote: Yeah, I've watched several games over the first two weeks of the season. The replacement refs have been pretty bad. The regular refs are better. However, "better" is a comparative term. To hear most people talk, you'd think the regular refs were infallible.
Sure, when the regulars return there won't be the huddling and discussing of procedural matters. There's still going to be uncalled holds and questionable interferences and bad spots and myriad head-scratching decisions galore, just like there was last year and the year before that and the year before that. Let's not put these guys on such a lofty pedestal.
It seems to me like the players are taking advantage of the inexperienced refs and trying to get away with things they wouldn't even try with the regaular refs out there. Then they cry when they get busted. But then they do that all the time. It amazes me how many of these guys will try to get a flag, or contest a flag when it's obvious they broke the rules.
Sometimes things happen at the speed this game is played and you commit an infraction, suck it up and get ot the line. You look like a fool trying to talk your way out of it, like that has ever worked.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
In case anyone missed it. No one even stepped out of bounds and no penalties were called, why would he have thrown the hat to begin with... let alone in the path of the player who was actually thrown the ball to on that play. It was third down and made him miss the touchdown.
Wow. Just... wow.
Everyone thought it would be the concussions that would begin to spell the doom for the league... maybe it's the refs' pensions.
That's just too bizarre
You think that he was payed off to throw the game for Dallas? Wow!
Replacement officials' errors spark controversy in Week 3
Suspect officiating decisions during several games contributed to a chaotic third Sunday of the NFL season.
Replacement officials admitted making two mistakes in the Minnesota Vikings' 24-13 victory over the San Francisco 49ers, and several other games included questionable calls that could have affected the outcomes.
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Referee Ken Roan said he twice granted Jim Harbaugh video challenges after the 49ers coach called timeout in the fourth quarter. Neither challenge should have been allowed once Harbaugh asked for time.
"What I told him was, 'Well, you challenged it not knowing what the result of the play was going to be,' " Roan said. "So I granted him the challenge, and we went and looked at it. That was wrong. I should not have."
Both mistakes happened in the span of six plays in the Vikings' upset.
"My interpretation of it was that he could do that based upon the time factors and not knowing it was a challengeable play to begin with when he called timeout," Roan said. "If you don't have a timeout to lose, you can't make a challenge."
In the Detroit Lions-Tennessee Titans and Cincinnati Bengals-Washington Redskins games, officials marched off too much yardage on penalties.
Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch's helmet-to-helmet hit on Craig Stevens wound up as a 27-yard penalty in Tennessee's 44-41 overtime win. In overtime, from the Titans' 44-yard line, Jake Locker passed to Stevens over the middle for a 24-yard gain, and Tulloch was flagged for the hit. Fourteen yards were added to the end of the play, which then was reviewed and overturned because the ball hit the ground.
However, the penalty still is enforced. Instead of 15 yards, officials marked it off from the Detroit 44 -- the wrong spot.
"As soon as the play was declared incomplete, it becomes a first down, and it becomes 15 yards from the play before," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said.
The Redskins were penalized 20 yards instead of 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct in the final seconds of their 38-31 loss.
Robert Griffin III spiked the ball to stop the clock with 7 seconds left. Then tight end Fred Davis was called for a 5-yard false-start penalty.
According to Redskins coach Mike Shanahan, at least one official indicated there would be a 10-second runoff, ending the game -- and the Bengals, led by coach Marvin Lewis, started walking onto the field. There shouldn't have been a runoff, though, because the clock had been stopped by the spike. The Redskins began arguing, and eventually the unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty was called.
The officials never announced specifically who the call was against, just that the penalty would be added to the false start, a total of 20 yards. But they walked off 25 yards -- the official game play-by-play said 20 yards were enforced for the unsportsmanlike conduct.
That left the Redskins with a third-and-50.
"They threw the flag at us, and there was half of the (Bengals) team on the field," Shanahan said. "I was disappointed in that."
Then there were more questionable decisions Sunday:
» In Nashville, with 16 seconds remaining in regulation, Detroit's Shaun Hill threw to Nate Burleson on the sideline, and he then lost the ball. It looked to be a completion rather than a fumble because the side judge threw his beanie, but another official ruled an incomplete pass. Titans cornerback Alterraun Verner had grabbed the ball and started to run, and there were questions why the replay booth didn't review it.
»Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo fumbled twice on third-quarter plays that weren't initially ruled turnovers until challenged by Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano.
First, Romo was in the grasp of Gerald McCoy with his right arm extended when he flicked the ball forward in what initially was ruled an incomplete pass. Officials watched the replay and determined the ball was loose when Romo tried to push it out and called it a fumble recovered by Gary Gibson at the 19.
Later, Michael Bennett sacked Romo and knocked the ball loose, but officials quickly whistled the play dead and Romo down even as Eric Wright ran toward the end zone with the football.
After Schiano challenged, officials reversed it to a fumble recovered at the 31, and the Bucs failed to score.
"They blew it dead. But the refs are doing a great job," McCoy said. "A lot of people are complaining. We've got what we got. Everyone needs to accept it. They're trying their hardest. No ref wants to go out there and make a bad call."
»Oakland Raiders wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey was taken to the hospital with a neck injury after a helmet-to-helmet hit from Pittsburgh Steelers safety Ryan Mundy that was not penalized.
Heyward-Bey was running across the end zone early in the fourth quarter to catch a pass from Carson Palmer when Mundy launched his body and lowered his helmet into Heyward-Bey's facemask. Heyward-Bey's neck jerked violently and his head also crashed into the ground. The pass was incomplete.
"Once again, the refs missed it, like they always do," Oakland defensive tackle Tommy Kelly said.
»Miami Dolphins tight end Anthony Fasano was ruled to have made a catch near the New York Jets' goal line, and the call was held up after review, even though the ball touched the ground as he was tackled.
How much longer does this have to go on? I have already said I think in general the refs are in the right, and the NFL isn't. However, beyond that.........this is horrible. They simply have to settle. For whatever costs the NFLRA want........and if it's what I read on PFT, what they want isn't going to ruin the NFL that's for sure.... Are we allowed to link there now that it's NBC?
Quote: and I think some people are simplifying the skills, experience, and talent it would take to call a game as we have been used to. The way the game is called right now is not in the same universe as what we saw last year. Holding is rampant, defensive holding, picks on offense, illegal blocks, defenseless players being drilled, I mean are you watching the games?
For ANYONE who watched the Packers/Seahawks game who thinks they still have a leg to stand on, they're DEAD WRONG!
Your post is quite accurate.
The NFL just got their pockets lined heavily with a new contract but obviously Regans "trickle down economics" theiry was dead wrong!
Now it's "just us economics" and most seem to applaud it while the game is being ruined.
If this game doesn't teach the "just us economic" crowd, then nothing ever will. Sad really. If the Packers miss the playoffs by 1 game, that game was the fault of the NFL.
You guys keep using these BS excuses while the game goes to hell. I hope you're enjoying it. What will happen if such bad calls cause the Browns to lose the first game they should have won?
Nothing of course, right?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Quote: How much longer the lock-out continues is up to Roger and the owners.
Aren't there 2 sides involved in the negotiations?
Isn't it odd we have no idea which side is refusing to negotiate?
Look at the millions upon millions teams like the Packers could lose by these bad calls. Of course far less than that to the refs should not be considered.
Cause.....uh..... it's the principal of the thing. We've gotta slowly erode these unions.....
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
No team .... like say .. the Seahawks .... ever lost a game ..... say, maybe even a Super Bowl ..... to another team ..... like maybe the Steelers ..... on a bad call by regular officials.
Not to be rude or anything, but officials make bad calls. Regular officials make bad calls ..... replacement officials make bad calls .....
As far as the Seahawks game goes ..... the announcers in our game against the Bills said that the regular replay officials are still on the job. If a replay comes into play, then there is a regular official reviewing the play upstairs. That's why the "down by contact" on the Cribbs "fumble" was not reviewed .... because the official upstairs let them know that the play wasn't reviewable.
Bad calls happen. To hear some tell it, this year is the very first time in NFL history that there have been blown calls. This is about as far from the truth as is possible.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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If the league gives in to the refs, what's to stop them from striking again when they decide they want even higher salaries, larger pensions, or more benefits?
Quote: If the league gives in to the refs, what's to stop them from striking again when they decide they want even higher salaries, larger pensions, or more benefits?
Especially NOW. (I assume that was your point )
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
right now refs have best of both worlds. any 50/50 call is assumed wrong by fans/media and lambasted. of course, if they called it the other way, they would still be assumed wrong and roasted.
and, as noted, the replay officials are still working, so stuff that goes up for review gets the same guys that would have done it before anyway.
finally, the old refs were so grand and never made huge mistakes that cost games. as all browns fans know they would never replay a play that happened 2 plays ago and reverse the decision and backtrack the game. or throw a bb'd flag into a players eye and effectively end their career.
you'd think of all fans, browns fans would know better?
I've got a question..If a catch can't be completed until a player has two feet on the ground why are all these announcers and pundits crying that he had possession while in the air? I'm not saying whether the call was right or wrong. What I am saying is that they are all freaking out about what happened before they landed.
These calls are NOTHING like past years and bad calls. I mean you go ahead and keep telling yourselves that. Yeah, I KNOW refs have made bad calls before, but in general they got it right. These refs are not getting the tiny bit they actually call done correctly, miss more calls than should be humanly possible, and can't control players.
In this game look at that final play. The Line was holding like crazy, the D was blocking routes not playing the ball, and then in the endzone while the ball was in the air there was an obvious Defensive pass Interference. I mean he launched that guy. Then there was the "catch"........I personally don't think there was equal posession of that ball.
The comparison to a Substitute Teacher coming in, and the class feeling it can be a bit more rowdy has been made multiple times...
Why can't the players control themselves? Aren't they suppose to be the professionals?
I agree. Got so sick last night hearing Al and Cris saying "the refs need to control these players".
No, the coaches need to control their players (and the players need to control themselves). Unfortunately, the coaches were too busy being out of control themselves.
Well when your profession is to win at any costs, and you do whatever it takes to win, I guess that's professional right? As long as you're getting paid for it.
No, the players won't police themselves. Or in a way they will, and we'll see fights in the field. We need the real, actual, qualified NFL refs back. I can't believe we are even having a discussion about it. Has the anti-union agenda gotten so ingrained that somehow it clouds the really simple problem?
As we have heard in reference to one of my favorite players........
Pay the MAN!! Or in this case men. pay the refs.....I want football back.
There will NEVER EVER EVER be another bad call again...
..Right?
Cause they're the pros?
You guys crack me up. It wasn't one bad call, it was several. Yet you keep trivializing, rationalizing and basicly making up BS to ignore and gloss over what's going on here.
Which is fine. You wanna watch a bunch of ametueurs that don't know what they're doing decide games due to several bad calls in every game, deciding who really does and doesn't make the playoffs based on such officiating, you have at it.
As for me, I'm not spending another dime on anything NFL until this thing is settled. And unlike most of those of you who have responded, I know several people that are doing the same.
The no calls and bad calls are changing games. It just so happens this one was so blatently obvious because it was the last call of the game that decided this game, rather than the cumulative bad calls and non calls through the course of several games this year.
And BTW- The refs didn't "go on strike". The NFL "locked them out". You might wish to inform yourself of who it actually was who initiated this before just spouting off BS.
For those of you who really wish to use the line "So no bad calls will be made if the refs return", of course there will always be bad calls. Just not 20 bad calls and no calls per game.
It makes me wonder how many of you watch that much NFL. And if you do, it makes me wonder if you give a damn about who wins and loses or the integrity and quality of the product you watch.
Because what you're watching now is left in the hands of total incompitancy. And it's funny to watch and hear so many that really do know the game that can obviously see it, while you guys play stupid to what's really going on here.
You know how poorly these guys are doing, yet you make excuses.
You know they miss tons of calls, yet you make excuses.
You know we'll be seeing a lot more games like this, yet you make excuses.
And so many of you believe in the party of personal responsability. At least when it suits your purpose......
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Quote: Why can't the players control themselves? Aren't they suppose to be the professionals?
Well of course. That's why the league never has to hand out fines. And if they always controled themselves, well there is really no need for illegal contact, pass inerferance, roughing the passer, cut blocks, personal fouls or almost any type of infractions!
Because they've always been good boys!
Hello McFly! That's why you need real refs in the first place!
You do know that many of the replacement refs are nothing more than high school and division 3 refs, right?
Sure, they will do fine and the games will be refed accuratetly.
And I'm sure you have ruby red slippers and a magic wand too!
And just watch, the NFL will be levying fines on coaches and players just for telling the truth about it too. Of course you'll uphold them for that too. They can do no wrong. Just ask you guys!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Quote: You guys crack me up. It wasn't one bad call, it was several. Yet you keep trivializing, rationalizing and basicly making up BS to ignore and gloss over what's going on here.
The flip side of that is everyone that FLIPS OUT over EVERY SINGLE call the replacement refs make, no matter if it's good or not. Every time theres a flag, it's brought up about how these aren't the "real" refs, as If no call these guys make matters anways...
Quote: Which is fine. You wanna watch a bunch of ametueurs that don't know what they're doing decide games
I am a Browns fan afterall
Quote: As for me, I'm not spending another dime on anything NFL until this thing is settled. And unlike most of those of you who have responded, I know several people that are doing the same.
Good for you? I'm going to the Steelers and Redskins games (was at the Buffalo game) ad will likely enjoy myself at least somewhat. Good peoples still go. Sorry you feel that way.
Quote: The no calls and bad calls are changing games. It just so happens this one was so blatently obvious because it was the last call of the game that decided this game, rather than the cumulative bad calls and non calls through the course of several games this year.
The Philly/Ravens OFF PI and this MNF game are so far the only two games that may have been obviously effected, is that two too many? Sure. But to say the real refs WOULD NOT have rule Tate also possessed the ball? Or that Jones Pushed off (Bal) ? Is speculative BS.
Quote: And BTW- The refs didn't "go on strike". The NFL "locked them out". You might wish to inform yourself of who it actually was who initiated this before just spouting off BS.
Uh, I never said they went on strike, I don't know of anyone who did?
Quote: For those of you who really wish to use the line "So no bad calls will be made if the refs return", of course there will always be bad calls. Just not 20 bad calls and no calls per game.
People have brought up the stats, and so far the Replacements refs are somewhat on par calls wise as last year with real refs..
Quote: It makes me wonder how many of you watch that much NFL. And if you do, it makes me wonder if you give a damn about who wins and loses or the integrity and quality of the product you watch.
I question why you watch the NFL. All you do is bad mouth it.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Quote: As for me, I'm not spending another dime on anything NFL until this thing is settled. And unlike most of those of you who have responded, I know several people that are doing the same.
Be sure to send Roger a letter to let him know that you Mean Business.
the TV is blowing up about it right now. Adam Schefter is so mad he can't even talk right.lol.
I for one am glad this happenned on a Monday Night game with a super popular team. This train wreck needs to end, and the only way is for everyone to hold the NFL to it's own standards. Bad PR is the only way to save NFL football. I hope everyone stays super mad come tomorrow morning........and stays mad until we see regular refs on the field. I read where all they want is a 7% raise, and their old pension plan (that they've always had), and a 6 year contract not a 7 year contract as the NFL wants. From what I understand that is all we are talking about here. Get it done..
Quote: If the league gives in to the refs, what's to stop them from striking again when they decide they want even higher salaries, larger pensions, or more benefits?
Especially NOW. (I assume that was your point )
Funny that you didn't know it since you actually quoted and commented to it in one of your own posts in this thread.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Quote: If the league gives in to the refs, what's to stop them from striking again when they decide they want even higher salaries, larger pensions, or more benefits?
Especially NOW. (I assume that was your point )
Funny that you didn't know it since you actually quoted and commented to it in one of your own posts in this thread.
Do you know what the definition of "assume" is?
And also "sarcasm"?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Quote: As for me, I'm not spending another dime on anything NFL until this thing is settled. And unlike most of those of you who have responded, I know several people that are doing the same.
Be sure to send Roger a letter to let him know that you Mean Business.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
Quote: Do you know for a fact that the Non-Replacement Refs WOULD NOT have called that a Simultaneous Catch?
Of course you don't
I'm pretty darn certain of it. It was quite obvious. The defender pulled the ball into his body giving him posession.
The rule is clear on this and they blew an obvious call. So you just stick to your rationalizing. It's really all you have left at this juncture if you even bother to watch very much NFL the incompetancy of these refs is obvious.
You you just keep reaching and making excuses.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Quote: As for me, I'm not spending another dime on anything NFL until this thing is settled. And unlike most of those of you who have responded, I know several people that are doing the same.
Be sure to send Roger a letter to let him know that you Mean Business.
Roger doesn't need a letter. This has gotten to the point that people are going to let their wallets start talking.
That's the only real language he understands anyway.
Are you so naive you didn't know that?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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