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I was actually thinking about that method ..... running supports up around the outside of the stadium to support the dome.
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I think that is way high Otto.....I am thinking 100-130 mil.
It sounds expensive, but 1 SuperBowl would cover that for the city.
I am all for a dome. A nice afternoon, keep it open. Rain or something under 50, close the lid.
Owners lose money with no shows due to weather. You were at the SD game.....we had a beer or three before the game....there were a lot of no shows for that game.
I don't claim to know the number, but there has to be a average dollar amount spent for a fan once inside the stadium...$15?? $25??? I don't know, but a no show impacts the gross sale amount for that game.
I am all for a dome and have said so since we first talked about building this stadium.
It doesn't make sense for the city to not have a domed stadium.
You've been there. There is no way to dome the stadium. Retracting roof is the only thing they could do and it would not keep the cold out.
If they want a dome now and Im serious they would build a new stadium and it would not be where it is now.
When I say dome, I am talking about a retractable, and the open corners can be closed. That is why Haslam is bringing in 3 of the big players in that sort of thing to see how best to get it done. That space wouldn't be wasted.
Think out of the box....maybe a few hundred hotel rooms with a field view? High end restaurants, not to mention maybe a few more seats.
Cleveland wants to develop the north shore...it makes no sense to have a open air stadium that is basically useless 5-6 months of the year.
This notion that football is a cold weather sport is crazy. In the day, seasons ended around Thanksgiving. Why aren't places like Buffalo, Cleveland, and Chicago the host sites for the Rose, Sugar, and Orange Bowls?
Put a top on it.
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This notion that football is a cold weather sport is crazy.
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For the record, I don't like pure indoor stadiums which eliminate the randomness and uniqueness of various weather patterns and places. However, the game has progressed and evolved, and must continue to progress and evolve. In order to grow the game they've had to manipulate the form to improve the appeal. More offense has been the goal and that cannot be accomplished without optimal environmental conditions. Furthermore, since football IS about business, it only makes sense to develop all other streams of revenue which may exist either along with or because of professional football.
Like it or not it's just a matter of time before certain places continue to progress leading to more domes or retractable roof's.
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The stadium wasnt designed for a dome. You cant retrofit a dome. It would be too expensive. It would have to be a new stadium.... aint gonna happen
I don't believe that. I think it can be done and I think the cost would be under 200 million and can be recouped over 10 years with the added events that can be held there.
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I read somewhere last night (and I cant find it now) that he never brought up putting a dome on. City council asked him about it, and it didnt seem like something he was interested in...
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I thought it was a poor decision to build the Browns new stadium, that was just like the old stadium.
A stadium with a retractable roof is probably the best option and I'm not a bit surprised that Haslam is openly addressing the issue now. I read a few weeks ago that Haslam had hosted visits for various architects and figured they were discussing the feasibility of some kind of dome.
All you have to do is look at the various events held at Ford Field in Michigan to realize what could be in Cleveland.
...A Super Bowl...rarely though
...An annual Bowl Game..possibly more than one per year, given the length of the bowl season.
...With the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame here, we could see the stadium booked for several concerts a year.
...All it takes is some imagination
The City of Cleveland and the surrounding area could benefit greatly from the extra business that would be brought in as crowds attend various events per year.
Browns stadium could be a money maker for Haslam and the Cleveland area, if it were equipped with a dome or retractable dome.
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He said he wanted to find a way to use the facility year round rather than just the 20 odd times a year it is used.
you had a good run Hank.
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That, at first glance, appears to me to be a poor choice in design, though it does illustrate how easily you could put a lid on the existing stadium.
The reason that looks to be a poor design is the massive swath of flat roof that the structure would be supporting..... with average expected snow loads up here, it's not the best way to do it, IMO.
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He said he wanted to find a way to use the facility year round rather than just the 20 odd times a year it is used.
I recall this explicitly.
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That, at first glance, appears to me to be a poor choice in design, though it does illustrate how easily you could put a lid on the existing stadium.
The reason that looks to be a poor design is the massive swath of flat roof that the structure would be supporting..... with average expected snow loads up here, it's not the best way to do it, IMO.
I'm sure that it could be heated, but what I like the most about that model/illustration is that it would still be conducive to growing grass, like a large green house.
Still It doesn't solve the problem of the open corners.
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Here's a funny stat about domes in cold weather area's...for hosting the Super bowl.
The Silver Dome...Detroit Mich... 1982 San Fran & the Bengals...Cinnci fans are snow weathered fans.. and it's cold in San Fran..
Metro Dome.Minneapolis Minn... 1992..Washington and Buffalo....Cold weather fans...
Lucas oil Stadium... Indianapolis Ind...2011.. Giants and Patriots...cold weather fans..
And only once has those places held the Super Bowl
2006 Ford Field - Detroit Michigan
So maybe only once at Silver Dome and once at Ford Field, but overall 2 in Detroit.
2013 season will be at MetLife Stadium in NY
I think as time goes on, the necessity for it being in a warm weather destination fades a little, and it becomes more about what the city can offer to visitors. And many more stadiums are going to domes, adding them to the possibility list.
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Miami Area 10 1968, 1969, 1971, 1976, 1979, 1989, 1995, 1999, 2007, 2010
New Orleans 10 1970, 1972, 1975, 1978, 1981, 1986, 1990, 1997, 2002, 2013
LA 7 1967, 1973, 1977, 1980, 1983, 1987, 1993
Tampa Bay 4 1984, 1991, 2001, 2009
San Diego 3 1988, 1998, 2003
Phoenix 3 1996, 2008, 2015
Houston 2 1974, 2004
Detroit 2 1982, 2006
Atlanta 2 1994, 2000
Minn. 1 1992
Jacksonville 1 2005
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Dallas 1 2011
NY 1 2014
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I read somewhere last night (and I cant find it now) that he never brought up putting a dome on. City council asked him about it, and it didnt seem like something he was interested in...
Joel Hammond was calling out media members for saying that he wanted a dome when what you stated was actually the case. Daniel Wolf was also pushing this angle. So it is/was out there.
BTW, Hammond's quotes were on twitter and Wolf is a blogger so I can't link to anything here, but you should be able to find them via the googles.
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I think as time goes on, the necessity for it being in a warm weather destination fades a little, and it becomes more about what the city can offer to visitors. And many more stadiums are going to domes, adding them to the possibility list.
I agree that it has a lot to do with what the city offers but offering warmer weather is always going to be a big factor... If I was going to the super bowl, I would want it to be a 3 or 4 day vacation, play a little golf, see some sights, etc... not be sequestered in a hotel in Detroit for 3 days because it's 10 degrees, then go to a game.
I also do not want to see a super bowl played outside in the freezing cold, snow, etc.
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As much as anyone would like to believe that the cold weather is an "advantage" to the northern teams, the reality is that this is rarely the case. Better teams win football games and that's that.
Want more fans to show up? Put a roof on it.
Want better FAs to show up (especially WRs)? Put a roof on it.
So many more reasons....
I see no downside at all to this.
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Ugh. I didn't anticipate this potential downside to having a southern owner.
So you think it's a downside to put on a dome so that we can have a Superbowl and concerts year round?
I personally would love a retractable roof... that way we can open it when we want but can also close it to have the opportunity to have winter events and a SB... Love the idea.
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anyone who things there is an advantage to having a open stadium is crazy. every snow game I can think of it was a low scoring affiar and quite boring.
Browns fans in a dome would be an huge advantage. OUR team would get super pumped by average crowd nosie.
Winning more than 5 games in a season would be an advantage
having a retractable roof to host more events would be an advantage for the city
having a retractable roof to bring in good players that are not interested in playing in the snow more than they have to... huge advantage
Having Dawson kick in a dome... disgustingly huge advantage
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Having Dawson kick in a dome... disgustingly huge advantage
I couldn't care less what they do, honestly.
But, I do disagree with this.
One of the things that separates Dawson from other kickers is his ability to make kicks in terrible conditions.
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Ugh. I didn't anticipate this potential downside to having a southern owner.
So you think it's a downside to put on a dome so that we can have a Superbowl and concerts year round?
I personally would love a retractable roof... that way we can open it when we want but can also close it to have the opportunity to have winter events and a SB... Love the idea.
No, having our players play 10 more games a year on artificial turf is a disadvantage. Concussions, knees... not a good time.
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Ugh. I didn't anticipate this potential downside to having a southern owner.
So you think it's a downside to put on a dome so that we can have a Superbowl and concerts year round?
I personally would love a retractable roof... that way we can open it when we want but can also close it to have the opportunity to have winter events and a SB... Love the idea.
No, having our players play 10 more games a year on artificial turf is a disadvantage. Concussions, knees... not a good time.
first we don't know what the playing surfae would be - I know the Texans bring in real grass for all their games... I'd like to see what the statistics of injuries on domed stadiums vs non-domed.. not disagreeing with as i'm not a fan of artificial turf so I'd like to see what the surface would be.
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Ugh. I didn't anticipate this potential downside to having a southern owner.
So you think it's a downside to put on a dome so that we can have a Superbowl and concerts year round?
I personally would love a retractable roof... that way we can open it when we want but can also close it to have the opportunity to have winter events and a SB... Love the idea.
No, having our players play 10 more games a year on artificial turf is a disadvantage. Concussions, knees... not a good time.
I was under the impression that a retractable roof will allow the surface to remain grass.
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I never bought into how cold weather pro teams have an advantage over warm weather one....each team is built with a varied selection of people from all over the country.
Weeds is an Oklahoma boy.....is he a "cold weather QB" because he plays for the Browns? Is Blaine Gabbert a "warm weather QB" because he plays for Jacksonville (born and played in Mizzu)?
I think it works in college football more since most players are from the state they end up playing....but with pro teams, meh.
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Correct.
It is my understanding that EVERY plan for a dome here has been made with the idea of keeping natural grass as the playing surface.
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as a former Northerner who is now a Texan, let me tell you it makes a difference. i visited last October and it was in the 50s and raining. when I lived in Cleveland that was nothing and I'd be happy about it. coming from 100degree Texas heat it was shockingly cold and it was hard to shake on gameday (though Columbus' jager-bomb certainly helped  ). it might not be a huge advantage, but it is "one more thing" that the other team is thinking/worrying about and it'll affect some players more than others. but, allowing your body to adjust to the temperature over time as opposed to be thrown into the temperature is an advantage.
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I saw these guys on cops growing 8 foot high pot plants in a basement. They were getting water and electricity from their neighbors, and venting the heat out into some crawl space...
There has to be some way to grow grass in a domed stadium if you want to.
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I read somewhere last night (and I cant find it now) that he never brought up putting a dome on. City council asked him about it, and it didnt seem like something he was interested in...
I just watched it on TV, they had an excerpt of his talk to city council and while I didn't hear the word dome by him, he said he's like to do anything and everything possible to use the facility more. But I didn't hear the whole thing
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I bet if you go to wkyc.com they'll have it on there. I'm gonna go look now.
Listen to this
http://www.wkyc.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1849710863001
he's bringing in 3 well known architects ...what's that say,, he's gonna redesign the bathrooms? 
Here's another vid
http://www.wkyc.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1850028966001
Anyway, what I picked up on is naming rights., I guess he's interested in selling the rights to name the stadium. That doesn't exactly excite me and he'll find out that it doesn't excite the fan base or the town much but I doubt we'll find a way to stop him if that's what he wants to do.
The guy is a bit of a hoot.. funny guy, great sense of humor.. I really think we're gonna like this guy.
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Naming rights seems to be the norm now. I'll probably not be too hurt unless its some terrible or embarrassing name.
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Naming rights seems to be the norm now. I'll probably not be too hurt unless its some terrible or embarrassing name.
I agree it is the norm.
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Naming rights seems to be the norm now. I'll probably not be too hurt unless its some terrible or embarrassing name.
Sadly, that's true.. and like you, as long as it's not an embarrassing name, I'll live with it. PNC Stadium or Eaton Stadium, Or Parker Hannifin Stadium all have nice rings to th em, but only PNC really caters to the public and will get the most mileage out of it.
I just don't want to see Oscar Mayer Wiener Stadium 
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Sadly, that's true.. and like you, as long as it's not an embarrassing name, I'll live with it. PNC Stadium or Eaton Stadium, Or Parker Hannifin Stadium all have nice rings to th em, but only PNC really caters to the public and will get the most mileage out of it.
I just don't want to see Oscar Mayer Wiener Stadium
Tampax Stadium. (Good for Tampa maybe)
Ex-lax Field
Preperation-H Stadium
My biggest problem with naming rights, is that they change. One year your going to Widget Stadium, then a few year later it's called Whatchamacallit Stadium.
The minor league hockey arena here was originally Teco Arena, now it's Germain Arena, and for most people it took years to start using the new name, which really messed up tourists asking for directions when a local says Teco and the tourist can only find Germain.
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Naming rights seems to be the norm now. I'll probably not be too hurt unless its some terrible or embarrassing name.
Sadly, that's true.. and like you, as long as it's not an embarrassing name, I'll live with it. PNC Stadium or Eaton Stadium, Or Parker Hannifin Stadium all have nice rings to th em, but only PNC really caters to the public and will get the most mileage out of it.
I just don't want to see Oscar Mayer Wiener Stadium
Tampax Stadium. (Good for Tampa maybe)
Ex-lax Field
Preperation-H Stadium
My biggest problem with naming rights, is that they change. One year your going to Widget Stadium, then a few year later it's called Whatchamacallit Stadium.
The minor league hockey arena here was originally Teco Arena, now it's Germain Arena, and for most people it took years to start using the new name, which really messed up tourists asking for directions when a local says Teco and the tourist can only find Germain.
Ex-lax field That would bring a whole new meaning to "Run William Run"
it's funny but around here, the Indians facility began it's life as Jacobs Field and was generally referred to as "The Jake".. Even today, I rarely hear it called progressive field.. Most of my friends still refer to it as the Jake.
Gund Arena doesn't roll off the tongue quite as easy so any other name wouldn't really make much of a difference. I mean seriously, Quicken Loans Arena doesn't roll off the tongue. But, The Quick would, except, I've never heard it referred to as that.
The logic behind nicknames baffles me somewhat. For me, there isn't anything like Forbes Field, Three Rivers Stadium, Candlestick Park, Wrigley Field, Lambeau Field or Cleveland Municipal Stadium often referred to CBS or Muny.
I'm having trouble with Heinz Stadium.. I just don't wanna be named after a product like that. (this from a guy that likes Heinz products)
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Immediately brings to mind the year that the team's main sponsor was Tyson chicken.
It was always comical to me, in a very pathetic kind of way, watching Butch Davis give post-game pressers with chicken logos all over the screen behind him.
I was always like "seriously? is *that* the best we can get?".
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I'm sure that it could be heated, but what I like the most about that model/illustration is that it would still be conducive to growing grass, like a large green house.
Still It doesn't solve the problem of the open corners.
The corners could closed by constructing a wall around them.
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For me, the naming rights to a stadium if one of the least important items to worry about. Heck, change CBS to Tampax Field....doesn't mean anything to me. The stadium is still where the Cleveland Browns play. And I'm not even going to throw the, "if the money helps sign a free agent to make us a winner, I'll live with it" tagline. It's not my stadium, it's not my revenue stream...so why should I care what it's named or what the money goes to?
I know I commented on this a while back...the new Cubs owners were floating the idea of changing Wrigley's name and the fans FREAKED OUT! The radio call-in shows were filled with "Don't you dare slap a corporate name on my stadium....it will always be Wrigley Field to me" blah blah blah. Nobody understands that Wrigley Field was named for the former owner of the Wrigley gum company as a marketing plan. So, why would they care if they replaced one corporate name for another?
Chicagoians freaked out over the Sears Tower too....now named Willis Tower. "Uhhh, Sears bought the namin....forget it."
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I have to agree. I don't really care about naming rights. It's not like I'm going to spend $140 on a jersey with the name of the stadium on it only to have it not the same 2 years from now... not like I haven't done that for about 6 players though. 
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oh, I don't care at all.... but, I think that it'd be good for them to have a little fore-thought on WHO they sell the rights to instead of simply looking solely at who will drop the most coin for it.
Especially when the team is as bad as we've been... the last thing we as a fan base need is more fodder to make fun of us, our team, and our city. Give us at least ONE thing to not be somewhat embarrassed about, ya know?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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