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A Football Life: Cleveland '95
Wednesday, October 3rd, NFL Network, 8 PM
The untold story of Bill Belichick's Cleveland Browns, and a talented staff who rose from the ashes of the 1995 season.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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A Football Life: Cleveland '95
Wednesday, October 3rd, NFL Network, 8 PM
The untold story of Bill Belichick's Cleveland Browns, and a talented staff who rose from the ashes of the 1995 season.
Actually, that was an incredibly talented staff.
We had Kirk Ferentz, Eric Mangini, Jim Schwartz, Rick Venturi, Jim Bates, Chuck Bresnahan, and Scott O'Brien all on staff. That was a really outstanding staff. If we could have kept that team, and that staff together with a new owner in Cleveland, we would have been celebrating Super Bowls. (multiple) 
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were they just waiting for Modell to die to air this?
Wonder how many times the promo for this gets played during today's game... and if it has anything to do with this game being selected as a TNF game this year.
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Also, some guy named Nick Saban.
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Also, some guy named Nick Saban.
naw, he's too controlling. and surley. he could never amount to anything.
and I can tell that Savage character should just switch to media relations now. no way he could swindle someone into thinking he could run a front office and get himself a nice little payday before he goes to his dream job of announce Tide games.
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Also, some guy named Nick Saban.
I knew I forgot someone.
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I already set the DVR to tape it next Wed. night
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Set mine too. Listening to the radio and those who have pre-screened it said it is very good and that Shurmer should take an hour of team time and show it to the players to help connect with the fans and the history of their franchise. Reporters asked Shurmer if he was going to watch it and he said he would have time for movies and books when the season ends. 1 hour? Amazing.
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This sounds like it will be painful to watch. Do we really need more of this?? 
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Really, who wants to relive the misery again. That being said, I do want my some to watch it to learn why this team started bad at the rebirth and continued to struggle.
Modell was good for the league, but he was not for the Cleveland fans.
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Really, who wants to relive the misery again.
Misery is a big part of our tradition.  and must be kept alive.
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Really, who wants to relive the misery again.
Misery is a big part of our tradition. and must be kept alive.
also, from the trailer during TNF, it seems to focus a bunch on how the circumstances helped mold Belichick, Saban, Pat Hill, etc. into the coaches that they became afterwards.
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Really, who wants to relive the misery again.
Misery is a big part of our tradition. and must be kept alive.
It's another great change to relive what might have been, which is akin to wait till next year with a better outcome.
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War room footage of Ozzie drafting Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis is gut wrenching. Two guys who should've been going into Canton in brown and orange.
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Wow, I enjoyed the documentary. As a fan that didn't get the chance to really follow Browns football until 2006, it sucks to see what could have been.
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J/C...
Dane Cook had a bit a few years ago about "the sound that makes you want to punch a baby"... that show was "the show that makes me want to punch a baby".
Though I did come away from it feeling better about Belichick, which was a surprise... and hating Modell more, which wasn't a surprise.
I will never forget standing about 10 rows up in the opposite end of the Pound as the clock struck zero - tears running down my face and my dad giving me a half hug.
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Really, who wants to relive the misery again. That being said, I do want my some to watch it to learn why this team started bad at the rebirth and continued to struggle.
Modell was good for the league, but he was not for the Cleveland fans.
Agreed, it was a sad time for us all.
I don't understand wanting to relive being kicked in the balls over again.
Maybe this should be titled NFL Network hates Browns fans.
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I was 11 when it happened so didn't quite feel the impact of it then. Plus indians fever helped push it to the back of the mind at the time. Very well presented I'll say that. had no idea the team had so much talent in high positions in the league today
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I thought it was a very good peice. It really focused on on Belichek and his staff at the time, and was interesting to see/hear the building he was doing.
I moved to Florida in '90 and there was no internet then, so news of the team was hard to come by other than the occasional blurb in the local sports section.
I didn't remember the news of the move coming out that early in the season, but that could be part of the distance issue, and lack of news. Also didn't remember the bit that the team was expected to be a Superbowl contender going into that season.
All in all I think they did a great job on it, and it was sad to think what should have been. Even Ozzie gave Bill credit for his superbowl victory, then for Bill to go on and win several himself right after.
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Modell was good for the league,
I get why you say this, but I can't say that a man who was responsible for ripping 50 years of proffessional football from a city that supported that team through thick and thin was good for the league. In my opinion, what he did was just as bad for the league as it was for Browns fans.
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I was a little underwhelmed. I admit, I got a bit misty-eyed when they were playing the field footage after the last game, but really they didn't talk about why the team moved or anything like that... one blurb from the local news where Casey Coleman said "a new stadium can't keep Art Modell and his debts in Cleveland."
Steve Everitt is definitely "The Dude." He may be on my Browns Mount Rushmore:
Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Steve Everett, and Bernie Kosar.
Josh Cribbs, Clay Matthews, and Eric Turner are close behind, but those are probably my four. The move was too important to Browns history to not acknowledge it, and to me he represented the fans more than any other player through that.
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Phil Taylor on Twitter last night during the part where they are showing the city reacting to the move and the final game "This is crazy"
Weeden had a comment about how it puts things in perspective and a bunch of the other guys like Roberson and Fort said it made them want to fight harder.
It was difficult to watch. I was 14 when it happened and I knew what was going in but didn't fully get it.
I still don't understand Ozzie saying Art told him he was moving to Baltimore for the sole purpose of winning a Super Bowl.
Tough to accept but a dynasty was being built and it was sabotaged by that scumbag.
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Damn I missed it, does anyone know if they'll replay it?
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really they didn't talk about why the team moved or anything like that...
The show wasn't about the team or the move. It was about the coaching staff that Belichick assembled and the various capacities of success that they've gone on to experience since being disbanded after Belichick was fired. The only way it really related to the on-field product was the sort of inherent question of "what if" when touching on the Super Bowl success that Bill and Ozzie had post-Cleveland..."imagine what could've happened if all these great football minds were able to stay in place in Clevaland."
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I have it set to DVR at 3 today.. May not get to watch it until this evening..
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It's definitely worth a watch, though much of it is stuff we already knew.
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I do not have a DVR, so if someone could seed a torrent, that'd be awesome 
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yeah, it's more like it was mis-titled IMO. they had to make it catchy, though, and "Cleveland Browns' Coaching Staff '95" doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Can't grab it off my DVR or I'd find a way to send it to you... I just checked the newsgroup search sites and don't see it yet...
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I believe you can stream it on NFL.com.
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I have it set to DVR at 3 today.. May not get to watch it until this evening..
 You actually felt a need to post that?
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yeah, it's more like it was mis-titled IMO. they had to make it catchy, though, and "Cleveland Browns' Coaching Staff '95" doesn't have the same ring to it.
To me the bigger "what if" would be is what if Belichick never got his shot in Cleveland. What would the NFL and College look like now? That staff impacted the two leagues so much over the years and if they never came together here.............
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Allways had a hard time with Belichek releasing Kosar, never really forgave him for that ,never liked Vinny T. for it either, especially since they never brought it a Quarterback that played any better.
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I have it set to DVR at 3 today.. May not get to watch it until this evening..
You actually felt a need to post that?
And you felt the need to post that reply to his post? 
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It's definitworth a watch, though much of it is stuff we already knew.
Yeah, we pretty much knew it all,, But I couldn't take my eyes off of it. Brought back a flood of emotions
two things stood out to me, Belichick really was doing a good job and I know I haven't forgiven modell.
that was one helluva staff.
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If only the league forced modell to sell then, instead of after they moved...
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Very painful to watch.
In light of all that has gone down since it just leaves a horrible taste.
All the "should have been's", "could of have been's."
Clearly the talent in coaching and management was unreal. Obviously the driver who knew what it takes is Belichick.
Salt in the wounds to see the success somewhere else.
Before the Holmgren hire I really wanted Lerner to approach Ozzie and offer part ownership to come on as President and overall operations head.
Ogden, Lewis, Ngata, Reed, Flacco all the great players that could have been Browns. Let alone what Belichick has accomplished.
A dark time to remember. Painful to see Byner, Ozzie, and Everitt and their passion for the team and the fans to unrewarded.
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