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Which is why the system is a joke.
The joke is that no one would care is Oklahoma got in over Georgia, Texas A&M, LSU etc...
But because a small school benefited, then it's some great travesty..
The only time any system gets "fixed" is when the greater forces are the ones that get screwed...
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It happens all the time. I believe Stoops won't be coaching for Florida State since he took the Kentucky job.
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No it's who's better. You think I care about Oklahoma, Georgia , etc? I'm an Ohio State alum. But I've watched enough football in my life to have the opinion that those teams are better than the teams you're talking about. I just want to see the best matchups. If you think those teams are better so be it, but the majority of college football fans would probably disagree.
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If it was FSU vs Oklahoma, or Louisville, or whomever, I would have zero interest in it.
But WVU/Oklahoma, WI/TCU, Boise/OK were thought to be one sided, ended up being one of the best BCS games those years...
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TCU was one of my favorite games to watch.
TCU/WI is when I developed my man crush on Tank Carder, dude was sick that game.
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Wow.
With a 4 game playoff this year.
Florida would of benefited by NOT winning their division...
Stupid.
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I had no problem with Tcu or West Virgina those years. If I'm not mistaken West VIrgina would've played for the national championship had they not lost to PItt the last game of the year...Tcu beat a few ranked teams, plus they beat rg3 when he was at baylor. I'm sorry but I just don't see the schedule from the huskies.
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who cares if you win your divsion? It just happens that the sec is loaded. You could win the super bowl as a wild card. Just because you're undefeated or win a conference makes you the best team.
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Tcu beat a few ranked teams
So did NIU.
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who cares if you win your divsion? It just happens that the sec is loaded. You could win the super bowl as a wild card. Just because you're undefeated or win a conference makes you the best team.
My point is, that Georgia BEAT Florida.
And yet because they advanced to the SEC game and lost, they lose out to Florida's gain.
Again, as long as it's not a small school that's benefiting it's ok.
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J/C...
Has anyone gotten Herbsteit a pacifier and burped him yet? My God what a baby.
Hey, jagoff, "you" guys made the rules. Deal with it.
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The guy will be making 1.8 million per year. How could you blame the guy for cashing in and taking care of his family. How much was he making at Niu? I don't know too many folks that would leave that amount of money on the table.
I have nothing against a guy taking a better job.
I just find the whole, leaving your team before this season is over thing, to be cowardly..
I agree with you and I don't see why the NCAA can't fix it. They have national signing day when kids can officially commit, they have the 1 year sit out period if a kid transfers, .. why not make a "Coaching Commit" day on January 10... after the season starts, no college is allowed to name a coach before that day.
It's really not fair to the kids who have busted their butts for years to get this guy such a great reputation to be left swinging in the breeze once their big day finally arrives... It sucks.
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Somebody agrees with Candyman: Worthy of more praise Shazier's emergence at linebacker has him in the same class as Manti Te'o Updated: November 30, 2012, 5:10 PM ET By Austin Ward | BuckeyeNation 0 0 31 EMAIL PRINT COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Before there could even be a discussion about his viability for an all-conference award, let alone anything bigger, Ryan Shazier first had to win over his own coach. The Ohio State sophomore had plenty of production during the first half of the season, though he also missed some plays that could have been made and wasn't the most technically sound player on the field. [+] Enlarge Jamie Sabau/Getty Images Ryan Shazier turned into one of the nation's highest-impact linebackers as a sophomore. The Buckeyes knew that Shazier had the physical tools to make his presence felt all over the field and the willingness to chase the ball down anywhere between the sidelines, though too often he was doing both without a real sense of purpose. So Shazier piled up impressive numbers without generating any real buzz, despite playing for a team in the midst of a perfect season. Then Urban Meyer popped in the film of a win over Purdue, and suddenly he was seeing more than just the kind of numbers that might make even a presumptive Heisman Trophy candidate on another undefeated team a bit jealous. "I think he's an excellent football player, and he's turned into an excellent linebacker," Meyer said. "He wasn't that way before the Purdue game. If I remember right, that's when I watched the film and said, 'That is a big-time linebacker.' "Before that he was just missing tackles, running all over the place. Kind of an out-of-control player, and [defensive coordinator Luke Fickell helped] made him an under-control, All-Big Ten linebacker." Shazier officially claimed that honor on Monday, and for now it appears that will be all the recognition he'll receive from a breakout campaign that helped spur the Buckeyes on to perfection. And while awards seemed to make little difference to Shazier in the aftermath of Saturday's against Michigan -- helped in part by this 2.5 tackles for a loss to extend his conference-leading total -- he might have deserved more attention than he's currently receiving, particularly from the Big Ten coaches who made him a second-team choice this week. The Buckeyes already have an established Most Valuable Player in quarterback Braxton Miller, and defensive end John Simon's combination of on-field work and locker-room leadership helped him win the vote for conference defensive player of the year on Tuesday. But the comparison that has become perhaps the most popular debate about Shazier's value has been focused on the only other undefeated team in the country and it's Heisman candidate, Notre Dame star linebacker Manti Te'o. Purely based on statistics, Shazier has the edge in tackles (115), sacks (5), passes defended (12), forced fumbles (3) and leads by a wide margin in tackles for loss (17 to 5.5). Te'o has recovered more fumbles (2) and owns a decisive advantage with 7 interceptions against Shazier's lone pick during the regular season. And while the Ohio State sophomore might not have the intangible qualities that have made Te'o one of the feel-good stories of the season, he does have some signature moments, such as his touchdown return against Penn State or the forced fumble that denied Wisconsin's Montee Ball a record-setting touchdown -- plays that typically stick in the minds of voters and help win votes. They aren't going to come this season, and Shazier already seemed well aware of that as flashed back on his emergence this season after doing his part to knock off rival Michigan. But there's always next season, and he's certainly set the table for himself now. "I think that's an amazing honor [to be all-conference], but to me, I was just really playing this year for the seniors and doing everything I could for them," Shazier said. "For me personally, if I make All-Big Ten this year, then I want to be defensive player of the year next year. "I want to be one of the best guys to ever come through here." Having Meyer's stamp of approval is a start, and Shazier obviously has that in his favor now. http://espn.go.com/colleges/osu/football...backers-country
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i see both sides.
side1: team, players, fans all have to suffer because the coach leaves before the bowl game. that sucks.
side2: if the coach doesn't leave before the bowl game, then he is putting himself in a monthlong hole on the recruiting trail. he needs to get there and start getting talent infused now because his new fans, administration are not going to care that he led NoIll to an Orange Bowl win before he worked for them.
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How to fix it? If we take DC's "coaches commit" date to be the Monday after the national championship, then we move the "signing day" to March 1st (to give enough time for new coaches to recruit), it solves some of the issues.
The only problem is the details (of course). How do you force a non-bowl team to not hire it's new coach? Do you penalize coaches who play in later dated bowl games if you do not (as other teams may decide to fill vacancies earlier)? What about coaches that are not associated with any team like Meyer last season?
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The only problem is the details (of course). How do you force a non-bowl team to not hire it's new coach? Do you penalize coaches who play in later dated bowl games if you do not (as other teams may decide to fill vacancies earlier)? What about coaches that are not associated with any team like Meyer last season?
NFL teams are not allowed to talk to coaches until their team is done playing.... now, NFL teams play on a much more level playing field than do all colleges, and NFL coaches don't have to recruit.... so I can understand that college may have to be a little different.
This would be the equivalent of Shaka Smart getting VCU through the elite 8 a couple years ago and then announcing that he's leaving for Illinois and won't be coaching in the Final 4...
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The only problem is the details (of course). How do you force a non-bowl team to not hire it's new coach? Do you penalize coaches who play in later dated bowl games if you do not (as other teams may decide to fill vacancies earlier)? What about coaches that are not associated with any team like Meyer last season?
NFL teams are not allowed to talk to coaches until their team is done playing.... now, NFL teams play on a much more level playing field than do all colleges, and NFL coaches don't have to recruit.... so I can understand that college may have to be a little different.
This would be the equivalent of Shaka Smart getting VCU through the elite 8 a couple years ago and then announcing that he's leaving for Illinois and won't be coaching in the Final 4...
except that coaching in the Final-4 for VCU will not affect his recruitment for Illinois. just as waiting on NFL coaches does not affect their player recruitment (FA or draft).
it's a byproduct of the time of year the end of the college football season lands coupled with the signing day. one idea could be to move signing day all the way until sometime in April or May.
I actually like that idea as "early-signs" who get to campus early are already dealt with separately as it is. So, you allow those HSers to be more HSers without worrying about picking a college until their HS time is nearly complete.
Ok, write it up and get it locked down.
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except that coaching in the Final-4 for VCU will not affect his recruitment for Illinois.
I never said it was a perfect analogy but the implications are still the same.
I don't have the answers but if they need to jack around signing day or put a moratorium on coaching/recruit contact between Thanksgiving and post bowls so NOBODY can recruit during that period therefore nobody has an advantage, or whatever, I don't care... or here is a thought, if he is your coach for the long haul, then maybe you should just lose a month of recruiting if you decide to switch coaches...
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i see both sides.
side1: team, players, fans all have to suffer because the coach leaves before the bowl game. that sucks.
side2: if the coach doesn't leave before the bowl game, then he is putting himself in a monthlong hole on the recruiting trail. he needs to get there and start getting talent infused now because his new fans, administration are not going to care that he led NoIll to an Orange Bowl win before he worked for them.
While I see your sides, I don't really agree with #1. Once the team is in the BCS bowl, it's over. There is no "suffering".
- The money the university will earn for the bowl is already locked in, a win isn't needed.
- The exposure the university will get for playing in a BCS bowl will be the same regardless of which coach is standing on the sideline.
- Outside of pride and bragging rights, the game itself means nothing. Heck, the game against Kent meant 1,000 times more than this game (or $XX millions more  ). It's an exhibition, the winner doesn't move into a playoff and the schools final rank means nothing.
So to me, I have no problem with the coach leaving. He did his job....deliver a BCS bowl invite. Plus, if he's leaving for a new school anyway....might as well move on as fast as possible.
As far as playing for pride and bragging rights, those are overrated too. If they win, people will say FSU wasn't a worthy opponent, FSU didn't care or nobody was watching anyway. If they lose, people will say they didn't belong, the coach left them or the game was meaningless anyway. To me, the outcome of the game is irrelevant, just like watching Boise beat Oklahoma (the game itself was great, but I didn't really add any weight to the win....there was no pressure. It was a "preseason NFL game").
Now, if NIU somehow was playing in the BCS National Title game......sure, that dude HAS to coach that game. You HAVE to pull out all stops to win that one. But any other bowl game....meh, it's an award for the players for a hard year.
Since I'm a Toledo fan, would I be saying the same thing if Toledo was there and not NIU? Yes. The invite and the bowl game itself is the "championship". The outcome is a footnote....to me.
Oh yes.....Congrats to Toledo for getting a bowl invite. Yes, a crappy bowl, but it's a bowl game. Not too long ago the MAC had to fight for their 1 yearly invite. I'm proud to see three teams in bowls (and one in a BCS bowl).
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It's hard for me to root for NIU but in this case I definitely will be.
Now if the conference can work on bringing the defenses up to the caliber of all the MACtion offenses...
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Wow  ---------------------------------------------------- Sources: Arkansas to hire Bret Bielema 5 minutes ago In a stunning coup, Arkansas will hire Wisconsin's Bret Bielema as its next football coach, Yahoo! Sports has learned. Bielema, who has taken the Badgers to three straight Rose Bowls, was nowhere on the radar amid months of speculation over who Arkansas would hire. An announcement will come today, sources told Y! Sports, but Bielema is not expected to be introduced until Wednesday. Pat Forde is Yahoo! Sports’ national college columnist. He is an award-winning writer, author and commentator with 25 years experience in newspapers and online. Yahoo Sports
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Leaving a perennial Big 10 contender for a middle of the road (and that's probably being generous) SEC team... does he have a history with Arkansas?
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Remember how burned he was by Urban's recruiting, saying something to the effect of "We (#B1G) don't want to be like SEC in any way, shape or form". Wait til he gets a load of Saban and company. 
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I'm shocked.
That guy can't coach. He'll be fired within 2 years.
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That guy can't coach. He'll be fired within 2 years.
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so... who is coaching wisconsin in the rose bowl?
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i'll do it.
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That guy can't coach. He'll be fired within 2 years.
yeah, he's just been to 3 straight Rose Bowls. any joker can do that
Well not to discredit the accomplishment but the Rose Bowls were in a down year for the Buckeyes (last year) and a year where the Bucks won the B1G but are sanctioned (this year). I believe three years ago the Bucks were invited to the Sugar Bowl (instead of the Rose) after being #6 in the country. The Bucks had played in the Rose Bowl the year prior so I think that's why Wisconsin got the bid.
Just saying its not as though Beilema had them winning the B1G regularly.
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In 09, 10, and 11, they finished in the AP poll 16, 7 and 10 in the country respectively.. it's not like they were sneaking into good bowl games either.. (you can say that about this year a little).. at least you could until they slapped Nebraska around like a red-headed step child in the Big 10 Championship game.
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Arkansas is a great job in my opinion. They have great facilities, great rivalry with Lsu, plus Petrino proved you could win big over there. Sec schools have been known to pay their coaches and assistants very well. It is pretty odd to see a midwest guy go down south however.
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Gus Malzahn has accepted the head coaching job at Auburn, ESPN.com's Chris Low has confirmed. Malzahn spent this season as the head coach at Arkansas State. Prior to 2012, however, he had been the Tigers' offensive coordinator under recently fired coach Gene Chizik. The announcement is expected to be made official later Tuesday, a source told ESPN. AL.com and Sports Illustrated earlier reported news of the hire. In his one year at Arkansas State, Malzahn led the Red Wolves (9-3) to a Sun Belt championship and a trip to the GoDaddy.com Bowl against Kent State on Jan. 6. Auburn also showed interest in Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, who interviewed for the job on Monday. But sources told ESPN that Smart was informed earlier Tuesday that Auburn had decided to hire Malzahn. The offensively minded Malzahn helped Arkansas State finish ranked 21st in the nation in rushing yards and 41st in passing while Auburn was ranked 80th and 116th, respectively. Just two years removed from a national championship, the Tigers went 3-9 this season, but winless (0-8) in the SEC. Auburn endured the worst slide within two years of winning a national championship of any team since the Associated Press poll started in 1936 and hadn't lost this many games since going 0-10 in 1950. All of which led to the ousting of Chizik 17 months after the Tigers gave him a contract worth some $3.5 million annually through 2015 with a hefty buyout. Link
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...Not too long ago the MAC had to fight for their 1 yearly invite. I'm proud to see three teams in bowls (and one in a BCS bowl).
Boy was I way off....the MAC has 7 teams in bowls this year:
1. Toledo vs. Utah State in Potato Bowl (12/15)
2. Ball State vs. UCF in Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl (12/21)
3. Western Kentucky vs. Central Michigan in Pizza Bowl (12/26)
4. San Jose State vs. Bowling Green in Military Bowl (12/27)
5. Ohio vs. Louisiana-Monroe in Independance Bowl (12/28)
6. Kent State vs. Arkansas State in GoDaddy.com Bowl (1/6)
7. Northern Illinois vs. Florida State in Orange Bowl (1/1)
After looking at that list, I would say, the Potato Bowl is probably the most prestigious. Come on, I don't have enough space in this response to list all the ways a potato can be prepared (think Bubba from Forrest Gump). As good as pizza is, it's just one thing....pizza. And as much as I like oranges, I think lemon and limes are better overall.
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is that the papa john's bowl?
I think we should have a Pizza Pan Bowl ....... and a Corning Bowl Bowl.
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maybe you were thinking 3 bowl-eligible HCs would still be with their teams?
anyways, as much as I like bowlgames (football on when football is almost over), I think we may have gone a bit too far with 76 teams.
of course, even with that, one of the most fun teams to watch (9-3 LaTech) won't be in any of them.
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is that the papa john's bowl?
Actually, it's the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl. Maybe CBS.Sportsline didn't show that because they have a different pizza advertiser.
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Former WI Coach, and Current AD Barry Alvarez to coach Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. Quote:
Bielema, who lost the previous two Rose Bowls and became coach at Arkansas on Tuesday, joked, "They might finally win one."
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