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Yeah, I kinda like the idea as a high reward type possibility.
We could keep the defensive staff together, and Chud could put together the offensive side. (with a coordinator)
I remember in 2007 that Chud was talked about as a future head coach. maybe we can get lucky for once.
It is rather amazing that we have 2 guys who are very interested, and even excited in potentially becoming the Browns head coach ....... Arians and Chud. Other guys might be interested in becoming a head coach ...... but both of those guys have specifically mentioned Cleveland as a place they would love to become a head coach.
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At least if someone like Chudzinski decides to calls his own plays he has many years of experience doing that. Unlike Shurmur who had only done it for two years.
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Yep.
Same with Arians.
I still prefer a head coach to be the head coach, and to hire a coordinator.
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I'm a bit uneasy at the prospect of Chudzinski as HC. I'd take him as OC, but really anybody who has been up in the coaches box his whole career would make me nervous as a HC.
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I'm kinda feeling Mike Zimmer...
I was kinda championing this guy to at least get an interview when we hired Pat. I was so impressed with what he did with the Cincy D that playoff year, AND in the wake of his wife dying that year...
Throw in the fact that his defenses ATTACK and have been very good in recent years (including successful against AFCN teams) if he can get a good OC (a Hue Jackson type) we may have a dynamite future.
I'm on the Zimmer train right now...but Lovie is still up there.
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While Hue Jackson is a good assistant, I believe him to be a legit crazy person.
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just crazy enough to work!
he went 8-8 for the Raiders...that cant be for nothing. Especially seeing what happened before and after him...(and Cable)
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Drawbacks to slumming. Hope he gets better. 
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Hue, me?
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I still just cannot see us going with a defensive minded head coach. Maybe It's just me ... but I don't see us going in that direction.
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I dont either...
but I'm pullin for Zimmer...I think hes one of the good guys of the sport, as well as a bit of a risk taker, brash outspoken kinda guy. Hes honest and smart...he forces accountability, and makes good players better
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Yeah, I kinda like the idea as a high reward type possibility.
We could keep the defensive staff together, and Chud could put together the offensive side. (with a coordinator)
I remember in 2007 that Chud was talked about as a future head coach. maybe we can get lucky for once.
It is rather amazing that we have 2 guys who are very interested, and even excited in potentially becoming the Browns head coach ....... Arians and Chud. Other guys might be interested in becoming a head coach ...... but both of those guys have specifically mentioned Cleveland as a place they would love to become a head coach.
I guess I missed where Arians said he'd like it. But that's very encouraging
Right off the top of my head, I really don't have many issues with the following candidates
Chud
Arians
Trestman (I know you don't Ytown, but I also know that if he's hired, you'll root for his success)
(not in that order, just in general)
Wasn't overly excited by Marrones resume, Horton sounds strong but I bet he ends up in Zona as HC, Kelly scared me from the beginning but it would have been interesting to see how he performed in the NFL. That might have been interesting. And I never, not for one second believed that Saban would come here or any NFL team.
Zimmer I think would be a helluva HC but honestly, we have Jauron over there if we can keep him and let's face it, he did a decent job. I think we need to place a stronger face on the Offensive side of the ball.
We're going to have a HC by Friday. No clue what they are thinking on GM/Player Personnel side of things
Speaking of GM and Coaching candidates, anyone hear anything about Heckert or Shurmur? Any rumors floating around about them?
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Time to land the Big Dawg.
Go after Chucky with all the guns blazing.
Talk of Trestman and Arians is tough on the stomach.
Chud is a ok maybe guy.
Zimmer I don't know. Offense is the name of the game right now. I feel pretty good about Jauron and what he has done. I am hoping he stays.
Whisenhunt and Lovie are solid guys.
Chucky would be the man. I think his time away has been helpful. It has given him a fresh perspective of the game. He has studied college offenses, he has been able to observe more than what is just in front of you as a coach. Kind of taken the coaching blinders off for awhile.
The current situation is favorable for him. He knows Haslam through his Tennessee ties. He has the sixth pick in the first round.
Hopefully he he knows a worthy quarterback.
I am real big on Tyler Wilson. Think he has the qualities you look for.
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j/c
why does everyone seem so certain we are keeping Jauron?
he did an okay job, but most new HC's are going to want their own coaches to fill out their staff. we might keep a few of the lower level guys, but I would be shocked to see the co-ordinators stick around.
it's pretty standard procedure to not fire those coaches until the new one comes along (and decides if he wants to keep any) and it was reported they are free to interview elsewhere (I'd actually think that Reid will be sniping a few guys at some point).
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I'm all for Chudzinski, but just one question:
A: Anderson, Lewis, Edwards, Jurevicius, Winslow, Thomas, Steinbach, Fraley, Shaffer, Tucker
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I'll wait and see what the offense looks like when/if coaches his first game.
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I want nothing to do with Gruden. He would trade away all of our young players for 30 year old players.
I have never been as impressed with him as some fans ..... and frankly, as Gruden himself, is impressed with him.
Arians intrigues me, as does Chud. Both would love to be the Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns, and I think that matters. (Arians has said that he would love to coach the Browns because he loves the talent he sees here, plus he loved being here when he was the OC. he knows that any cpach who gets this team turned around here will be revered. He doesn't seem to happy with the way Butch Davis' handled things, and some of his decisions though, especially those Davis made in calling off the dogs in the playoff loss to the Steelers)
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Maybe we're just waiting until the Broncos are out of the playoffs so we can interview Manning as next HC. 
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The Chargers hire some guy from the Colts to be their new GM and it is being said that Arians is the frontrunner for their head coaching job (Holmgren has been mentioned as well).
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Chud would be the coach to put us in the Super Bowl. The guy knows football and he would have save Weeden's career without a doubt. I think the guy is an absolute genius at creating mismatches and he is ready to be a HC. He is at the top of my wish list which is why we will never hire him lol
Zimmer is a good coach and I would not be upset with him either.
Funny but after such a disappointing initial search with Kelly, Marrone, Sabon and Horton, we are starting to talk to people that I think have really deserved to be HC but just havent had the opportunity.
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I'd be surprised if that happens. I think at this point, the Browns are waiting to see what plays out over the weekend's games. My guess is there might be someone this weekend the Browns might want to talk to should they lose.
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It's weird, we haven't been linked to any of the teams that are currently in the playoffs (other than McDaniels and he shot that down quick).
Other teams have interviewed McCoy, Dennison, Bradley, and Bevell but we haven't been linked to any of them.
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Trestman comes up as a candidate every year and no one ever hires him.
Now ya have, Trestman, and a week ago it was, Chip Kelly, or Kelly and Baron... excuse me Marone neck and neck. Today I hear, Chudzinski,
Then, A Bengal coordinator Mike Zimmer.
Good Grieff, I didn't think they would look at so many name so uninspiring.
Shoot, Brad Seeley sounds better when included with this group.
Shoot, ... It's like they said, name 10 guys worse than Pat Shurmur.
Mangini was a ? and felt like a bad idea when he was hired.
So was Romeo. So was... what's his name in 99.
Butch Davis was a gamble, but at least the story of his time here was, well, he tried to make every game come down to the last 2 minutes and hang in the balance.
I hated that, but, at least he could keep games close often enough
Shurmur, was Bad, but he was learning.
Mangini, was Bad, his game scores were often, too often lopsided to the other team. Sure, he knew how to confuse Tom Brady and he beat the Patriots, If you're playing the Pats, I want Mangini for that one game and no other games.
Romeo, was kind of like, well, he was consistent and somehow it seemed like it might almost work, If you had better talent then your opponent.
How could they not even mention Brian Schottenheimer, We all remember Marty, and this is his son, I believe, he was coordinator for Marty alot, and Marty ball sucked, in the playoffs, but the one thing about Marty, he won divisions, he won more divsions more times, and thats 1/3 of the battle because it's still a guaranteed playoff Berth.
Marty even won the division when the Broncos won the superbowl, and in their division as coach of the chiefs.
He turned the Chiefs around.
He turned the Browns around, He Brought the skins back from the bad start he had there.
He had the Chargers on the way to the same destiny, and then the Chargers got greedy and decided to go with What's his name. Well he had fight with the GM.
The only thing is Marty is retired and not going to get younger, like anyone will!?.
The thing about Brian Schottenheimer, is I think he was with Marty in at least most of those Gig's.
I think another thing is when Brian was with the Jets, back when they had Mangini , before Mangini went to the Bronws, and after Mangini went to the Browns, Brian Schottenheimer was still there.
At that time, the Jets offense was better and they competed well with the Patriots and in interdivision games, and they competed , for the division.
Imagine that, competing for a division.
We could find a worse guy than Brian Schottenheimer.
With that list, I think they could find about 7 worse guys.
The case for Ken Whisenhunt, ( honestly if his name has an H, whatever, I just hae heard it, not read it.) , is that Ken when he was the Steeler O coordinator, ( I think,) in the past, ... that he used to do things to give the Browns fits.
Things like just run a couple dozen plays they didn't usually run and mix things up and find ways to get open holes for Rb's and odd mis directions or x's and o's that got players the ball in space.
After a couple times of that, I started to watch what his teams did, and usually I like what I see, I realize that when I"m watching his games, he is providing a coaching advantage.
Lovie Smith? Yeah, you could do worse than Lovie Smith.
I don't hate the idea of a college coach making the jump to the NFL either, especially if he has ideas noone else has.
But seriously! They are looking at guys, who give me the feeling,
If they're gonna hire one of these guys, they might as well just promote Jauron or Childress.
Childress, HC, Cromwell, OC, Juaron DC, .... why did they have to fire Heckert?
Good Grief !
Continuity!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I'm all for Chudzinski, but just one question:
A: Anderson, Lewis, Edwards, Jurevicius, Winslow, Thomas, Steinbach, Fraley, Shaffer, Tucker
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B: Weeden, Richardson, Gordon, Little, (Watson/Cameron) Thomas, (Greco/Pinkston) Mack, Lauvao, Schwartz
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1) A w/2007 DA
2) B w/2012 BW
3) A w/2008 DA 
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I know zimmer is not only deserving to get his shot but HAS BEEN very hungry for it.
Having said that I agree on Chud, just have a good feeling about him. I dont think we even began to see what the guy could have done with our offense.
He also meets my criteria of being a younger guy who could stick a while!
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I'd be surprised if that happens. I think at this point, the Browns are waiting to see what plays out over the weekend's games. My guess is there might be someone this weekend the Browns might want to talk to should they lose.
I'm prepared to not have a new coach til after the Super Bowl.
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I think Zimmer would probably make a good HC. But from what little I have read about him he apparently interviews terribly. He gets one or two interviews a year but no 2nd interviews. My guess is he just isn't political enough to know when to kiss a little ass to get the job he wants. I'd like to see Trestman as HC and Chud as his Assistant HC/Offensive coordinator. If they did that and kept everyone on the Defensive staff I think the sky could be the limit. Don't think that dream is really a possibility but what does a Browns fan have this time of year if not his dreams..... 
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I'm flattered, but I'm not much of a coach. 
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Browns offensive coordinator Brad Childress is in Kansas City today, where new Chiefs coach Andy Reid could hire him as an offensive coordinator or as an adviser, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported.
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Good riddance to that horrible offense we ran the past couple of years. I would like to see what some of our guys are capable of doing when they are given the opportunity to play in a system based on their abilities.
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Don't think that dream is really a possibility
Chudzinski would have to have permission from the Panthers to leave their team as he is currently their offensive coordinator and becoming our offensive coordinator would only be a lateral move.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can only switch teams, without permission, if you are being promoted from assistant to head coach. I feel like this comes up every year.
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It does...
Chud would instantly be the most intelligent coach we've had since the return!
Try to keep Jauron or if not go for Rod Marinelli.
Chud could hire an O assistant who thinks along his lines to help him out.
I like it!
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out of the guys we have shown interest in
1. Chud
2. Arians
3. Zimmer
4. Trestman
5. Whisenhunt (3-4 scheme he has followed dropped him)
You know I would be happy with any of those guys. I like Lovie Smith a lot as well but we havent shown much interest and he is probably going to Philly. I think Arians ends up as Chargers HC also.
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What we could do however would be to hire Chud as HC and Trestman as OC if he'd be up for it. I'd be happy with that lineup 
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2 completely different offensive systems. Chud becomes HC we will be running his Air Coryell offense. Those wanting the high octane offense will be happy.
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Chudzinski would have to have permission from the Panthers to leave their team as he is currently their offensive coordinator and becoming our offensive coordinator would only be a lateral move.
I believe you could get around that by naming Chud the Assistant HC and then just have him do the offense. I think that has been done before.
But like I said, it'll never happen
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I think the NFL put an end to that saying all assistant coaches are lateral.
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You are correct. Intern to assistant HC is now considered a lateral move.
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You are correct. Intern to assistant HC is now considered a lateral move.
Really....a guy coaching the DB's can't be promoted to OC or DC of a new club??
I understand coordinators not being given some special name and restricting that, but there are clear promotions from a position coach to say a coordinator position.
I can't believe some kid as a intern not being able to go to a team as a coordinator if some team decided he was their guy.
You sure about that??
"Sorry man, I know they want to pay you $900,000 a year more to be their defensive coordinator, but you are too valuable to us bringing in the coffee and donuts every morning for the $22,000 we pay you."
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Yea all positions are considered secondary positions whether its Intern, assistant linebackers coach, offensive coordinator or assistant head coach. Sucks for guys that are really good position coaches, teams can and sometimes do deny other teams from raiding their shelves.
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For comparison purposes, do you know the league average those years? The best and worst might also be enlightening? Frankly, I have no idea what to make of those numbers and some reference points would be helpful.
Do I know the numbers .... NO...but I would like to know. I'm working 80 hours a week again and I just have not had time to look them up (BUT I would be willing to put money on those numbers being a lot higher than the league average.) If I am wrong I will be glad to eat some crow, at least then I would get a lunch break
If you have a link I will look at it for you. I just don't know where to look for that info
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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