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- Enough of the "no one boo'd Couch or anyone's injury - they were cheering for the other guy" argument. Get the hell outta here... it may not have been many but their were people cheering a player getting hurt.
- I never did it, I'll never do it - if you or anyone did it you're a loser.
- I don't hate Derek Anderson for his comments (though I'll admit they're hard to get past) - I hate the man for the way he folded like a cheap tent in Cincy because of the wind. Dude had one big chance and failed.
- He's done nothing.... NOTHING... since that moment worth being in the NFL. To bring him back here to be a "mentor" would be a joke. A bad one.
- If DA is brought back, in any capacity, it's gonna get real ugly for Haslem and his front office real quick in every media outlet that this city has to offer.
I agree with all of this EXCEPT that in that Cincinnati game, on the last play of the game he threw a great pass into the endzone that Winslow would've caught if he wasn't loafing it on his route.
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I agree with all of this EXCEPT that in that Cincinnati game, on the last play of the game he threw a great pass into the endzone that Winslow would've caught if he wasn't loafing it on his route.
I missed the first 2 quarters of this game and some of the 3rd because of a funeral. I remember it because I didn't really know the guy and I was in debate to not go.
Anyway, from what I remember from highlights and the 3rd/4th quarter, DA threw like 2 or 3 interceptions. Yes, he threw one good pass to Winslow on the final drive that Winslow missed, but the rest of the game he sucked. Just looked at the stats 4 INTERCEPTIONS in the game that would have gotten us to the playoffs.
Yeah, that always pissed me off. I remember Braylon Edwards complaining that season that we didn't get into the playoffs, he was like, "Man, the Redskins got into the playoffs. We would definitely beat them!" I thought the same thing. I always blamed DA for us not getting into the playoffs. Winslow, Edwards, Lewis, they were all stellar that season. O-Line of Thomas, Steinbach (right?), Fraley, Tucker, and Schaffer, it was among the best in football. Our receivers made plays non-stop, and DA had it as easy as anyone could have it. Plus our schedule was so easy. Yet he was awful in the game that meant the most.
It's all because the Colts started Jim Sorgi week 17 vs the Titans and Kerry Collins. 4th quarter, they were down by a TD, and they weren't even running a hurry up offense. So what did I do, I got tickets to the Colts Browns next season (revenge game). It was before the season that I got the tickets, so I thought we were gonna be good. I thought we'd get the Colts back for their lack of desire to win vs the Titans. Man was I wrong.
Colts verses Browns, I show up wasted because what's the point, the Browns sucked that year (that and I was a college kid). And our defense held the Colts to like 3 or 6 points, yet DA couldn't do anything. We had like 3 points ourselves. DA goes down with an injury, and the stadium became a very ugly site.
People can say what they want, it was a mess. Tons of boos and cheers. Either way, it was very clear to DA what the fans thought of him. But that's more the coach's and organization's fault. That's the guy they gave us all season, that's what's going to happen. People are sick of garbage football.
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After 2007 he was about as useless as a screen door on a submarine.
No thanks, DA.
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Anyway, from what I remember from highlights and the 3rd/4th quarter, DA threw like 2 or 3 interceptions. Yes, he threw one good pass to Winslow on the final drive that Winslow missed, but the rest of the game he sucked. Just looked at the stats 4 INTERCEPTIONS in the game that would have gotten us to the playoffs.
That's all well and good, but down 19-0 he threw two second-half touchdown passes and would've had a third if the intended receiver hadn't given up with 1 second left in the game.
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I always blamed DA for us not getting into the playoffs. Winslow, Edwards, Lewis, they were all stellar that season. O-Line of Thomas, Steinbach (right?), Fraley, Tucker, and Schaffer, it was among the best in football. Our receivers made plays non-stop, and DA had it as easy as anyone could have it. Plus our schedule was so easy. Yet he was awful in the game that meant the most.
That's kind of silly. We lost 5 other games that season, any of which, had we won, would've put us in the playoffs. Nobody seems to get upset that Dawson had a field goal blocked against Oakland, or that our defense couldn't stop Ben from running for a crucial third-and-long conversion in Pittsburgh.
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For everyone who hates Derek Anderson and rips on him, look at it from his perspective.
Easily had the best season as a Browns QB since 1999, the fans still did not like him and were clamoring for Brady Quinn throughout the season and at the begging of 2008. Never did anything to earn the dislike besides have a backup qb that was more popular in the town than him, then played poorly as we had an overly large amount of injuries and problems in 2008. When Brady Quinn got hurt, and he got back in the starting position late in the year, he's in a tight game against Indy, and gets hit while throwing and injured/knocked out of the game. Fans cheer his injury.
You're Derek Anderson, how would you feel towards the fan base in that instance?
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Just a general question.
Which QB is more typical for the offense run by Chud and Norv?
DA or McCoy?
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IMO, Anderson does, although I don't agree with what seems to be a board consensus that McCoy couldn't run a vertical offense. I think his arm better than most people think it is. I think both our QBs were stunted by Shurmur's offense; there's no other explanation for McCoy's regression in 2011 after some fairly impressive games as a rookie in 2010.
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IMO, Anderson does, although I don't agree with what seems to be a board consensus that McCoy couldn't run a vertical offense. I think his arm better than most people think it is. I think both our QBs were stunted by Shurmur's offense; there's no other explanation for McCoy's regression in 2011 after some fairly impressive games as a rookie in 2010.
No run game which lead to defenses being able to pin their ears back and blitz the hell out of him.
One of the worst right tackles in the league.
Rookie wide receiver #1 target.
Offseason lockout without much time to learn the system.
There are a few reasons for you.
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It's not only about the arm with McCoy, it's also with his eyes and brain. He takes his eyes from downfield and freezes when blitzed and he's late pulling the trigger. Pretty much every deep ball he has thrown turned into a jump ball with the WR and DB standing around or slowing down and waiting for the ball...he just doesn't have it...can we move on? please? Can't wait for the day he's on another team and I can finally say "go root for X" to his fanboys. Really, he is this board's Justin Bieber: crap artist, but still "liked" 
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I was aware of those things as reason he didn't succeed, but he actually got worse in 2011. It was the offense itself, imo.
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I'm not a fanboy, just trying to be fair. I have moved on, but if he's here and he plays, I'm rooting for him. Could you say the same?
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I was aware of those things as reason he didn't succeed, but he actually got worse in 2011. It was the offense itself, imo.
I don't know if you can really say someone got "worse" from one year to another when they lose the top 2 running backs the have a rookie starting at WR that was a year out of the game had one of the worst right tackles in the league like I said AND on top of it have to learn a new offense with limited time.
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What is it this past three weeks with all these ghosts from Cleveland Browns' past being dredged up? People wanting to bring back previous coaches and players like Rob Ryan, Romeo Crennel, and Derek Anderson... seriously? I thought the whole idea of getting better is upgrading the parts of the organization each year, not bringing back past failures. Where's the graemlin shooting itself when you need it?
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DA is credited with being a very good mentor for Cam Newton while in Carolina. I do wonder if he'd come in as the backup, or if he thinks that he'll have a chance to compete for the starting job. If he comes in as the clear backup/mentor, then I have no problems with him coming here. If he comes in with the idea of competing for the starting job, then I would have to pass.
To be a mentor, isn't some degree of success required? DA sucked in Ctown, Phoenix, and couldn't see the field in Carolina. What exactly would he mentor Weeds on? How to throw two pick six's in a row with one minute left in the half? What value would this clown have to offer?
I am getting a bad, bad feeling about the Chud hire....seems like he wants to recreate all his previous situations. Bringing in Turner AND Pagano, your old HC and DC? Plus a unrespected journeyman loser QB? Really?
Chud, did you get the job to recreated your SD experience? Really? Turner, Pagano AND DA? Please, someone tell me it isn't so.... 
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Thats what a newly hired coach does. He hires coaches he's worked with before to be his assistants. Every new Head Coach does it so i fail to see why that is a problem.
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DA is credited with being a very good mentor for Cam Newton while in Carolina. I do wonder if he'd come in as the backup, or if he thinks that he'll have a chance to compete for the starting job. If he comes in as the clear backup/mentor, then I have no problems with him coming here. If he comes in with the idea of competing for the starting job, then I would have to pass.
To be a mentor, isn't some degree of success required? DA sucked in Ctown, Phoenix, and couldn't see the field in Carolina. What exactly would he mentor Weeds on? How to throw two pick six's in a row with one minute left in the half? What value would this clown have to offer?
I am getting a bad, bad feeling about the Chud hire....seems like he wants to recreate all his previous situations. Bringing in Turner AND Pagano, your old HC and DC? Plus a unrespected journeyman loser QB? Really?
Chud, did you get the job to recreated your SD experience? Really? Turner, Pagano AND DA? Please, someone tell me it isn't so....
Help me out here,,, has it been confirmed that Chud is going after DA? Cauxe all I've seen is media speculation and a report that DA would come back if the fans would have him.
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DA is credited with being a very good mentor for Cam Newton while in Carolina. I do wonder if he'd come in as the backup, or if he thinks that he'll have a chance to compete for the starting job. If he comes in as the clear backup/mentor, then I have no problems with him coming here. If he comes in with the idea of competing for the starting job, then I would have to pass.
To be a mentor, isn't some degree of success required? DA sucked in Ctown, Phoenix, and couldn't see the field in Carolina. What exactly would he mentor Weeds on? How to throw two pick six's in a row with one minute left in the half? What value would this clown have to offer?
I am getting a bad, bad feeling about the Chud hire....seems like he wants to recreate all his previous situations. Bringing in Turner AND Pagano, your old HC and DC? Plus a unrespected journeyman loser QB? Really?
Chud, did you get the job to recreated your SD experience? Really? Turner, Pagano AND DA? Please, someone tell me it isn't so....
I don't think it is required Sun.
Most coaches played football to some unsuccessful degree.
No doubt you have your Ditka's, but from my observation most good coaches were at best minimally good players.
DA has experience. That can't be disclaimed. Weeden has little NFL experience. It might be a perfect marriage.
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DA is credited with being a very good mentor for Cam Newton while in Carolina. I do wonder if he'd come in as the backup, or if he thinks that he'll have a chance to compete for the starting job. If he comes in as the clear backup/mentor, then I have no problems with him coming here. If he comes in with the idea of competing for the starting job, then I would have to pass.
To be a mentor, isn't some degree of success required? DA sucked in Ctown, Phoenix, and couldn't see the field in Carolina. What exactly would he mentor Weeds on? How to throw two pick six's in a row with one minute left in the half? What value would this clown have to offer?
I am getting a bad, bad feeling about the Chud hire....seems like he wants to recreate all his previous situations. Bringing in Turner AND Pagano, your old HC and DC? Plus a unrespected journeyman loser QB? Really?
Chud, did you get the job to recreated your SD experience? Really? Turner, Pagano AND DA? Please, someone tell me it isn't so....
Help me out here,,, has it been confirmed that Chud is going after DA? Cauxe all I've seen is media speculation and a report that DA would come back if the fans would have him.
Pretty sure its just speculation that said I could see Chud bringing him in, DA is obviously familiar with his system and if he is willing to (and I have to believe he can't possibly think it would be more) be the backup he can probably help Weeden pickup the system.
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Anderson posted on his FaceBook page Friday night: "Looks like it is time to make a return to a familiar place for some unfinished business"
Anderson went on to say: I would be honored to return to Cleveland to play football if the fans would have me.
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I am getting a bad, bad feeling about the Chud hire....seems like he wants to recreate all his previous situations. Bringing in Turner AND Pagano, your old HC and DC? Plus a unrespected journeyman loser QB? Really?
Chud, did you get the job to recreated your SD experience? Really? Turner, Pagano AND DA? Please, someone tell me it isn't so....
The guy has not hired anybody yet. How do you know what he is doing. 
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Let's see ....... Turner is a well respected offensive coordinator, even though he's been a lousy head coach ......... Pagano is a very well respected DC, who led the Chargers defense to a top 10 finish last year ...... (#9 against the run, IIRC) We sure wouldn't want that. DA would probably be a backup if he was even brought in ...... and that's no guarantee. I do think that it speaks well of Chud that a guy (DA) who pretty much swore that he wanted anything ever again to do with Cleveland would want to follow him back to town. Maybe Steve Smith will want to follow Chud too. 
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I do think that it speaks well of Chud that a guy (DA) who pretty much swore that he wanted anything ever again to do with Cleveland would want to follow him back to town.
Does DA have a job without Chud? That's what I wonder
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Haven't read through the whole thread, but I think DA would make the perfect back up here.
Never really understood all the venom showed to the guy. He provided me with the most enjoyment I've had as a Browns fan in the last 10 years ... by far. It was the only season where I never feared we wouldn't score. My only question was how much would we score. Name me another season like that since the return. Hell, how about the last 20 years.
Yeah, he screwed the pooch in Cinci. His WRs bailed him out from time to time ... you know, they did their jobs. But there are more good memories from that season than the last 5 combined. And he was a big part of that.
But it's typical because people don't appreciate anything anymore. I've already told the story of a guy who works for me who's a Pats fan. He thinks Brady and Billy are terrible on almost a weekly basis.
People just aren't ever happy with anything.
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I do think that it speaks well of Chud that a guy (DA) who pretty much swore that he wanted anything ever again to do with Cleveland would want to follow him back to town.
Does DA have a job without Chud? That's what I wonder
He was able to back up Cam in Carolina and I would bet he is better than a lot of the back ups in the league. If Chud wants to bring DA back that either says a lot about his progress in the couple of years, or that Chud is insane.
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It's quite possible that Mr. No Touch matured and has been humbled after being in the league on a couple other teams.. I mean he had Larry Fitzgerald of all people to throw to and still couldn't get it done.
That type of experience has to have humbled him. Right?
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I also don't get the hate for Anderson. Sure he choked in a big game, but everyone before or since (after '99) has failed to get us even close to that point. Statistically, he had a far better 16-game regular season than Bernie Kosar EVER had for us. (No, I'm not saying he was better than Bernie).
I don't blame him for being ticked off at some fans, and I like that he admitted he was bad at times. Seems pretty stand-up to me. And I'd rather see him come in as an injury replacement in a tough game than Colt, who I really like but just can't throw the deep pass.
Chud knows DA, and if he wants to bring him back, that tells me it is a good idea.
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Never really understood all the venom showed to the guy. He provided me with the most enjoyment I've had as a Browns fan in the last 10 years ... by far. It was the only season where I never feared we wouldn't score. My only question was how much would we score. Name me another season like that since the return. Hell, how about the last 20 years.
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He was a flash in the pan.
I'm not in favor of bringing him back. I'm also not in favor of keeping Colt McCoy.
Brandon Weeden gets one more year, in my eyes. Chud's offense fits him well, so if he can't show us something next year, he probably never will.
That leaves a spot available on our team for another QB (if it were up to me). We have lots of money to spend, but we'd have to give up a pick for Smith right? I don't want Mike Vick. Does anyone have a list of available Restricted/Unrestricted QB's for this upcoming FA period? Maybe there is some unsung guy who we could get on the cheap, with some kind of qualities.
I also wouldn't mind drafting a QB with a later on pick, but having one less high pick because of Gordon (whom I still love that pick) makes it tougher because we still have many needs.
If it's McCoy next year, whatever. I just don't see him as a reliable backup, and now with a new offense in town, he's borderline worthless.
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slim pickings....as always at QB http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.phpTarvaris Jackson? Matt Moore? Jason Campbell? Tyler Thigpen? Luke McCown? Drew Stanton? DA? Those are the "biggest" names in FA and I'd be ok if we bring in any of those guys to "compete" with Weeden, although that competition shouldn't last long. Stanton has some "upisde" appeal, probably because he hasn't played for 2 seasons lol....but he has a strong arm and would be a good fit I would have no problem with DA either
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Tarvaris Jackson?
Matt Moore?
Jason Campbell?
Tyler Thigpen?
Luke McCown?
Drew Stanton?
DA?
Those are the "biggest" names in FA and I'd be ok if we bring in any of those guys to "compete" with Weeden, although that competition shouldn't last long. Stanton has some "upisde" appeal, probably because he hasn't played for 2 seasons lol....but he has a strong arm and would be a good fit
I would have no problem with DA either
Wow, that's a really bad list. As much as I dislike DA, you can argue he's at the top of that list, or near it. I would probably narrow it down to DA/Matt Moore.
I just hope Jimmy agree with most of us that Weeden should get another year. I hope he doesn't fall in love with Barkley or Geno Smith or any of these other QB's projected in the top 15-20.
I think he should definitely sit on it for a year. Next year could bring some better names.
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I remember being impressed with Drew Stanton in a pre-season game with Detroit a couple years ago. Good size at 6-3, 240 and it seemed to me he has a pretty strong arm. I also could see Jason Campbell in a Chud offensive scheme.
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Regarding DA.....NO. If he never made those comments as he left, I'd entertain the idea of a homecoming. But he did say those things, so he's a poophead in my book. (and for the record, I don't think fans ever "cheer" for an injury to their own, they're cheering that the backup is coming in....the circumstances as to how/why are irrelevant)
I'd want Weeden as #1 and maybe selecting one of those read/option guys later in the draft (something to grow).
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I'd want Weeden as #1 and maybe selecting one of those read/option guys later in the draft (something to grow).
I don't really see how that works.. if you are designing an offense around an immobile strong armed guy, why would you want a mobile running QB backing him up? You can't just flip a switch on the offense if the guy has to come in to finish a game or play for a week or 2.
When it comes to RBs, having complimentary skills is great, when it comes to QBs, I want my back-up as similar to my starter as possible.
This is not, in any way, an endorsement of DA... 
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I'd want Weeden as #1 and maybe selecting one of those read/option guys later in the draft (something to grow).
I don't really see how that works.. if you are designing an offense around an immobile strong armed guy, why would you want a mobile running QB backing him up? You can't just flip a switch on the offense if the guy has to come in to finish a game or play for a week or 2.
When it comes to RB's, having complimentary skills is great, when it comes to QBs, I want my back-up as similar to my starter as possible.
This is not, in any way, an endorsement of DA...
The Redskins did! and if reports on RGIII are close to correct, it could take a while for him to return....
DA is Weeden in so many ways. Yet DA was Cam Newtons back up which is pretty much the same thing you describe in reverse. that's the beauty of Chud. he takes what he's got to work with and modifies things to fit the talent available.
I guess in a perfect world if your starter is slow afoot with a rocket arm and accurate, you would want your back up to have similar attributes.. Makes sense in that you wouldn't have to change everything as much if your starter goes down.
But that's exactly the opposite of what Chud had with DA and Cam Newton. Go figure.
regarding DA in general.., Yeah,, he yapped off after he got cut. He was ticked off, there was a bonus due him that because he got cut, he never received. So yeah, the Browns took him for some money. That would kinda tick me off also. It probably didn't help that what they brought in to replace him wasn't any better.. (well, on paper he was, but those skills had long since gone by by as it turns out)
As a professional, he should have said something more like, "I'm sorry they didn't see fit to give me another chance and see if we could move forward, but it's a business and I know that"!
And since that time, he's apologized to the fans and the Browns.
that's not to say I want to bring him back. I'm just saying, he blabbed a little more than he should have but who among us when we were in our 20's didn't do something or say something we regretted almost the instant we said it? I sure have.
So if people don't want him here because they don't think he's good enough,,, Cool. But to not want him here because he made a verbal blast that many of us might have made,,, ahh, I'm not going to hold that against him,.'
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Not really. Cousins is no where near the QB RGIII is, which is why they were drafted several rounds apart.. but Cousins is athletic, though not a runner, he's very accurate and he makes good decisions.. he's not too dissimilar from RGIII..
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DA threw 4 passes in 2 years, it's pretty hard to tell whether that would have worked or not...
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I'm just saying, he blabbed a little more than he should have but who among us when we were in our 20's didn't do something or say something we regretted almost the instant we said it? I sure have.
I'm well past my 20s and I still do it on a regular basis.
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Never really understood all the venom showed to the guy. He provided me with the most enjoyment I've had as a Browns fan in the last 10 years ... by far. It was the only season where I never feared we wouldn't score.
Took the words right out of my mouth....
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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Not really. Cousins is no where near the QB RGIII is, which is why they were drafted several rounds apart.. but Cousins is athletic, though not a runner, he's very accurate and he makes good decisions.. he's not too dissimilar from RGIII..
My point is, he's not the dynamic athlete that RG is. not close really.
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DA is Weeden in so many ways. Yet DA was Cam Newtons back up which is pretty much the same thing you describe in reverse. that's the beauty of Chud.
DA threw 4 passes in 2 years, it's pretty hard to tell whether that would have worked or not...
You misunderstood the point, my point was that Chud had DA as Cams back up. You are right, he wasn't used much, but they couldn't be any more different in style and ability.
What's to say he won't do that here.
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I'm well past my 20s and I still do it on a regular basis
You are not alone in that regard.....LOL
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I'd want Weeden as #1 and maybe selecting one of those read/option guys later in the draft (something to grow).
I don't really see how that works.. if you are designing an offense around an immobile strong armed guy, why would you want a mobile running QB backing him up? You can't just flip a switch on the offense if the guy has to come in to finish a game or play for a week or 2.
Not only the Redskins, the 49ers did it too. Alex Smith was not running the same offense as Colin Kaepernick (and yes, I had to google his name to spell it right....he's two wins away from everyone in the US from memorizing that spelling). And the same could be said for the Vikings too (Ponder versus Webb).
Meaning, it's likely to have 2 or 3 QBs that run a different system. Sure, it would be an extra burden on the OC to prepare every week.....but it would also be an extra burden on the opposing DC too. And it also gives the team an opportunity to play around with the 2nd QB for a few plays to throw the defense off a bit (something the Jets promised but never really did).
And heck, you never know. Just like in San Fran, you might find gold in a backup QB and then he'll take you to the NFCCG.
I do find it funny, as mentioned before, that many people were predicting Tebow to bring a paradigm shift to what a QB can do in the NFL. And here we are, witnessing Kaepernick, RG3, Wilson and others shift the NFL QB mindset with their dynamic play.........and little Mr. Tebow is probably going to be without a team in 2013 (well, there are teams in the CFL that might offer him a job).
And yes, I laughed my arse off when the Jags new GM made those comments last week. "Even if he was released", in a whisper.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
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