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That is a excellent point. You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
Would it have been stupid if the Jags gave up on Gabbert after one season?
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Would it have been stupid if the Jags gave up on Gabbert after one season?
Yes - unless they had a crystal ball that showed exactly how he'd play after that. Since I'm guessing they didn't, it was smart to allow the next season to see what type of growth/development, if any, there would be.
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That is a excellent point. You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
Stupid is drafting a 29 year old rookie in the first round and expecting him to improve when he is as old or older than 20 of the starting QB's in the NFL.
Pretty much every single reputable NFL annalist says that Weeden is bottom of the barrel one of the 3-4 worst starting QB's in the NFL.
It might be a different conversation if He played better than 2/5 or even 3/5 rookie QB's in 2012. The fact is he was 5/5 and 32/32 out of starting QB's.
Why does everyone on here fight that and think he will improve? There is no logic in this... only desperation and hope to save face.
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That is a excellent point. You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
Would it have been stupid if the Jags gave up on Gabbert after one season?
In a way, yes. Hindsight is pretty awesome. We may end up saying the same thing for Brandon Weeden, but at least we'll know. You have to be sure. I actually feel a lot better about BW after this year than I did for BG in Jax. I know people will make excuses, but BW is 2-3 in the division. That's not bad for a guy who played in a horrible scheme, and was in his first year of the NFL.
If they end up going after Alex Smith, I'm OK with that, I just caution people to the fact that before Harbaugh came to SF, he was pretty horrible. Who's to say he doesn't revert back to that when he goes away from that offense?
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I don't know if the Ravens will let Flacco get to that point but if they do I most certainly drive up to Flacco's house in a Brink's truck. I don't know if Flacco would consider leaving the Ravens for the Browns no matter how much we offer but I make the attempt. And even if we don't get him we make sure that the offer hurts the Ravens from a salary cap standpoint.
I think I'm coming around to this idea, and I was one who thought 3 #1's was too much for Griffin. Two #1's is a steep price, but maybe not for something that has eluded us for 30 years - a true franchise QB. I don't think Flacco is a top 5 QB, but I think he's in the discussion in the 5-10 grouping. And, like you said, even if Baltimore matches a ridiculous offer, we've poisoned the well for their future salary cap.
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That is a excellent point. You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
Would it have been stupid if the Jags gave up on Gabbert after one season?
Yes.
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I am not going to argue the merits of drafting him. He is here....that's the reality.
So now we have to see if it pans out or not. We'll know soon enough.
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I agree. And if our best option is to roll the dice on Alex Smith working out with a coach not named Harbaugh, then we stick with Weeden for another year at least.
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That is a excellent point. You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
Would it have been stupid if the Jags gave up on Gabbert after one season?
Yes.
You don't have to "give up on him" to go in a possible different direction. Let's say the Jags threw a ton of money at Alex Smith and he signed there while SF was calling Peyton. Well, then they let Gabbert compete with Alex Smith to start (or let Gabbert get the development time he needed). He's still signed on that rookie contract.
Look at Seattle. They signed Matt Flynn to start. Except they also drafted Russell Wilson who beat him out. SF had Alex Smith starting and winning, but thought they had a better chance to win overall with Kaepernick.
I see no reason to NOT add a QB. Either as an "expected starter" or a "development rookie" and let the best man play. One of the reasons I want EJ Manuel is that I think he could slip to the middle rounds as a development guy, but he may just be better than expected and steal that starters job. We'll see.
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I have no problem with a developmental guy like Manuel in the middle rounds .... but in the 2nd (or even 3rd) as I thought I saw someone suggest ...... no way.
I have a feeling that we will draft a 3rd string developmental guy, and probably wind up signing DA to compete with Weeden. Just a gut feeling. He knows the offense, and he should be able to chuck it deep to Little, Benjamin, and Gordon.
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well, if we wait past the 3rd round, then we aren't getting Manuel IMO. And, we might need to trade up to the end of the 2nd to get him (it was me that suggested we might need to do it).
he's my "guy" but whether it's him or Nassib or Bray or a veteran QB like Smith, the main component remains in that it does not signal we are giving up on Weeden. It signals that what he did was not good enough so we are bringing in competition.
if Weeden cannot handle that, then we have the wrong QB anyway. if our coaching staff cannot handle just playing the best QB, then we have the wrong coaching staff anyway.
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I just don't see value in those guys as 2nd rounders. (maybe not even 3rd rounders)
I would look for a young QB in the 4th - 5th ... and bring in a veteran we can sign without having to give up draft picks for.
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Despite Django's low opinion of him, I think Miami's Zach Dysert might be the type of guy you're describing. Good size, strong arm, not a runner, but plenty mobile ... came from the system that produced another pro QB whose name rhymes with Schmoethlisberger.
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Look at Seattle. They signed Matt Flynn to start. Except they also drafted Russell Wilson who beat him out.
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yep, you never see a 2nd round QB lead his team to the Superbowl especially early in his career 
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well, if we wait past the 3rd round, then we aren't getting Manuel IMO. And, we might need to trade up to the end of the 2nd to get him (it was me that suggested we might need to do it).
he's my "guy" but whether it's him or Nassib or Bray or a veteran QB like Smith, the main component remains in that it does not signal we are giving up on Weeden. It signals that what he did was not good enough so we are bringing in competition.
if Weeden cannot handle that, then we have the wrong QB anyway. if our coaching staff cannot handle just playing the best QB, then we have the wrong coaching staff anyway.
I'm probably the biggest Weeden pimp around and I would have no problem selecting a QB, IF the value is ok...after all, we have no real backup for this system right now and McCoy is in his last year of his rookie contract and is already counting the days to his FA
best spot is picking up a falling Jones or Manuel in the 4th but I realize that this probably is a pipedream with multiple QB needy team picking ahead of us every round. So, if we take one we probably have to do it with our early 3rd or burn valuable future resources, which would be even worse imho....that's why I would look to trade down if Moore is gone and collect 1 or 2 other 2nd to 4th rounders to "balance out" the value of our draft class as you almost always have to overdraft QBs now
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That is a excellent point. You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
I am all for creating a competitive environment, but not simply creating competition for the sake of creating competition.
This isn't a good year to draft a QB. I like Bray if we could get him at the bottom of the 3rd. The problem is we draft at the top of the 3rd.
I am also not sold on Smith.
I believe the prudent thing for us this year is to build on the foundation we have and supplement positions other than QB. I just don't see a qb fix this year, so don't try to force it. You have to allow the process to pan out.
It's not stupid to give up on a 1st rounder if you're a new regime.
Banner/Lombardi/Chud didn't have a 1st round grade on Weeden, Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur did (and even that is debatable given that they were going to pass him for Kendall Wright). If the guys running the ship view Weeden as a 3rd round talent instead of 1st, it doesn't matter where he was drafted. The pick is a sunk cost and Weeden needs to be evaluated based on what he brings to the table instead of where he was drafted.
Agree about not forcing a QB fix but there's a difference between forcing a fix and getting multiple options. As no logo required said, look at the teams who brought in multiple QBs. Is Seattle upset having found a franchise guy in Wilson and having a tradeable asset in Flynn? How about SF finding a franchise guy in Kaepernick and having a tradeable asset in Smith? All it cost them was cap space and the owner's money, both of which we have plenty.
Instead of choosing which guy to bring in, why not bring them ALL in? Bring in Smith, have him compete with Weeden and draft Bray with our 3rd (you're going to have to draft a QB you want above projections these days) When Smith/Weeden wins over the other, you know you have the better QB between the two. Let the loser back up since Bray needs a TON of work and trade them next year when Bray has developed more and can back up. Then we'd have a better present and someone to develop for the future.
If, instead, we just leave QB as is because it's a weak QB class or because there aren't a ton of options in there, we're essentially gambling on Weeden to provide the difference between a contending season and a Top 5 pick. I'd much rather have options and let the cream rise to the top so that we don't waste another year of a pretty darn good supporting cast/defense.
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I just don't see value in those guys as 2nd rounders. (maybe not even 3rd rounders)
I would look for a young QB in the 4th - 5th ... and bring in a veteran we can sign without having to give up draft picks for.
What about Wilson and Kapernick?
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There's a huge difference between drafting a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson to compete against the incumbent (or apparent incumbent, as the case was with Flynn), and trading for Alex Smith to compete.
If Kaepernick or Wilson was a failure they could just kick him to the curb and move on to the next guy, because they cost peanuts. Acquiring Smith would means you have to pay him. A lot. More than likely it would require a contract extension, which means guaranteed money, which means you have to wait longer if you want to unload him. And Alex Smith probably isn't going to sign that extension so that he can compete with somebody. He caught a raw deal after putting up the best numbers of his career, so he's going to want to be the starter.
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I just don't see value in those guys as 2nd rounders. (maybe not even 3rd rounders)
I would look for a young QB in the 4th - 5th ... and bring in a veteran we can sign without having to give up draft picks for.
What about Wilson and Kapernick?
Sure it can happen.. don't leave Andy Dalton off the list..
But what about Pat White, Colt McCoy, Brock Osweiler (too soon to know probably), Jimmy Clausen, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, Kevin O'Connell, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Trent Edwards,Kellen Clemens...
Then there are a couple others like Kolb, Tarvaris Jackson... overall the odds of finding a starting QB in the 2nd or 3rd round are pretty slim... but it does happen.
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Honestly, I bet the 49ers end up cutting Smith. I think they'll try to trade him but the teams that know he'll be released soon will lowball them. When they have a bunch of lowball offers and Smith is asking them to do him a favor and release him so he can choose his own team, I think they'll decide that doing right by a guy who took his benching like a champ is better than a 6th round pick. Just a guess but that's how I see it playing out.
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Then we'd have to pay him even more. He'll want a team where he's the clear-cut starter.
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Then we'd have to pay him even more. He'll want a team where he's the clear-cut starter.
so did Matt Flynn. if he doesn't feel he can beat out Weeden, then we don't want him anyway 
personally, I think he ends up in KC anyway.
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I'd guess Oakland, via trade. And thinking he can beat out the other guy isn't the same as being told "you'll be the starter". Seneca Wallace thought he could beat the other guy, too.
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I just don't see value in those guys as 2nd rounders.
yep, you never see a 2nd round QB lead his team to the Superbowl especially early in his career
I don't see those particular guys as 2nd/3rd round values.
Maybe I didn't type that clearly enough.
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yep, you never see a 2nd round QB lead his team to the Superbowl especially early in his career
I don't see those particular guys as 2nd/3rd round values.
Maybe I didn't type that clearly enough.
they are 2nd rounders for a reason. something is "missing" from their pedigree. you never know which ones will end up being complete and becoming good starters. SF bet on Kaepernick the same year that Cinci bet on Dalton.
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Despite Django's low opinion of him, I think Miami's Zach Dysert might be the type of guy you're describing. Good size, strong arm, not a runner, but plenty mobile ... came from the system that produced another pro QB whose name rhymes with Schmoethlisberger.
I am reminded of something said during the Super Bowl last night ..... when Kaepernick zipped a ball into the receiver, and the announcer said that so many people say that a QB doesn't really need a strong arm, and he basically said "BS".
I agree with that to a large extent. A QB doesn't necessarily need a rifle arm, but he has to be able to fire a pass into a receiver when the circumstances demand it. If a guy has a below average arm, and floats the pass in there in that same circumstance, and it gets knocked away, or picked.
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There was a story floating around the last two weeks that Harbaugh told his dad that he thought Kaepernick was the best player in the draft two years ago.
I just really think that coaching staff in SF is special. They took essentially the same bad team in 2010 and made them into winners. They took a terrible QB and made him into a winner. They took a project QB and made him into a winner. All of their mid round picks seem to step up and contribute. They play to their players strenghts. When they need the offense to be creative, they get creative. When they believe vanilla will do, they go vanilla and run it down your throat. They had their 10 game old QB looking off safeties in the Super Bowl ... something our staff could not get our QB to do. The defense never gives up. A 'never was' at safety ... retread at CB ... mid round guys at all three levels. Just superb coaching and motivation. To all the Alex Smith honks, he won't get that here.
Now I will say SF got outcoached last night. But if I were a betting man, their window is just opening. They'll be contenders for the foreseeable future.
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Just superb coaching and motivation. To all the Alex Smith honks, he won't get that here.
So we need to draft and find players good enough to overcome inferior coaching and motivation?
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Just superb coaching and motivation. To all the Alex Smith honks, he won't get that here
If you said that last yr. I would agree. However, I think this yr.'s coaches far outshine the coaching from yrs. past. Remains to be seen, but from all that's been said, these guys will work with what the players do best.
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Would anyone out there be for using Pick No. 6 overall on Geno Smith? It is possible he could be there. KC might sign Alex Smith and Philly might go OL. Who knows what Oakland would do. Not saying it is likely, but if he's there?
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Just superb coaching and motivation. To all the Alex Smith honks, he won't get that here.
Chud, an offensive minded head coach and proclaimed genius by others, as well as Norv Turner, offensive guru.
Yeah, it would be such a poor situation to come to with a great offensive line, young athletic receiving corps, and a healthy Trent Richardson.
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I would say it depends on what the staff thinks of him. Is he worth the #6th pick?
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So, you're saying that the Browns should throw away another season with Weeden as the QB? Great idea!
how are you throwing away a season by trying to develop the QB u drafted in last years draft? cmon man.
Because it was a horrible pick when it was made and Weeden isn't the answer at the position and he's proof that 'you can't teach old dawgs new tricks'. Either bring in someone else in free agency or draft someone at the position to compete for the job.
Take a look at what Seattle did. They signed Matt Flynn to big money to be the starting QB there but drafted a QB in the third round and made Flynn compete for the job instead of handing it to him. Flynn couldn't get the job done and wasn't made the starting QB. Worked out pretty well for Seattle.
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I would say it depends on what the staff thinks of him. Is he worth the #6th pick?
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That is a excellent point. You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
Stupid is drafting a 29 year old rookie in the first round and expecting him to improve when he is as old or older than 20 of the starting QB's in the NFL.
Pretty much every single reputable NFL annalist says that Weeden is bottom of the barrel one of the 3-4 worst starting QB's in the NFL.
It might be a different conversation if He played better than 2/5 or even 3/5 rookie QB's in 2012. The fact is he was 5/5 and 32/32 out of starting QB's.
Why does everyone on here fight that and think he will improve? There is no logic in this... only desperation and hope to save face.
Great post, SBdawg. I'll add some comments to the original thought which you were commenting on, which is: You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
Actually, if you're not the people that drafted him and you're not sold on him at all and want to recoup whatever you can towards the original value of the pick, then you trade him to the highest bidder.
If Weeden is what so many folks here think that he is, then the Browns should be able to recoup quite a lot, maybe even a first rounder (or two of them!) from some team looking for a 'franchise QB'. Maybe Arizona will give us theirs... or even their 2nd and 3rd rounder for him. We could essentially recoup or selection for Josh 'Flash' Gordon and have back-to-back 3rd rounders.
Maybe we can convince them that we need a 5th or 6th rounder next year too! (You know, these are just throw-ins to sweeten the deal because they're not worth much anyway).
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God no, there's no chance in hell Smith will command more than a second.
You're talking about Alex. They're talking about Gino - the likely 1st overall pick.
But I don't think he'll be there at 6. Some team will either draft him in the top 2-3 or trade up to get him.
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You DON'T give up on a first round qb after 1 season. That's stupid.
If a person doesn't want to give up on a 1st round pick after just one season for the sake of trying to recoup value when they don't believe in the player, that's called throwing good money at bad money and is faulty logic.
If a team thinks Weeden can turn the corner, that's different.
Does the organization think Weeds can do it? I haven't seen much, if any, support...
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Weeds is a first round pick... but he is one by default. The last regime admitted to liking Wright better at that position. Just because he was selected at end of first round doesnt mean he's a first round talent. Like I've said all along I thought he was the 5/6 best QB in the draft. And the season proved that . So that doesnt equate to being first round talent even if he was selected in the first.
I just dont understand why the Weeden bench here has such a problem with bringing in som alternatives. Is it that you will eat crow when he gets beat out in preseason? Weeds has some very bad mechanical issues, horrible feet, and misses open targets on the regular dumpn it down. Unless he is set, his accuracy plummets big time. Besides a strong arm, he has nothing and showed no improvement anywhere all season. It looked like the game slowed down for him a lil after game 4 but after that It is really hard to say that he improved in any area. His deer in the headlights look scares the crap out of me. It says he is lost in the game flow and what he needs to be doing and reading pre snap.
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