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I'm for giving Weeden another year, but if for some reason Norv sees Geno as the guy, I'll take it.I absolutuely trust Turner as far as QBs go. I want a stud defender in the 1st, but, if he is better than Weeden, go for it.
Exactly. If we sign Grimes or another decent CB, our needs on defense are almost taken care of. And the chance to get the best QB in the draft won't come again if we actually are improving.
I'm not sure why people keep saying Geno is overrated. He was the consensus No. 1 overall when the college season. His stock fell for no apparent reason. Then he had a command performance at his pro day. So what is the problem? He's fast, he has a great arm, he's a high character guy and he works his ass off. If Norv says he's the man, I can live with it.
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"The best QB in the class" is not the same as a "franchise quarterback." If you need a QB and have a chance to get a franchise QB, you take it. If you need a QB and spend a high pick on one just because he's the best one out there at the time, then you are hurting yourself.
His stock fell because his play declined from the early part of the season.
Pro days are pro days. Set up to showcase a player's strengths.
If the powers that be think he is a franchise guy, then by all means get him. If they see him as only the best one this year, then pass.
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Yep. Jamarcus Russell was the top QB in the draft once upon a time. (and our GM at the time tried furiously to trade for him) That same year we did trade away a couple of draft picks to move back into the 1st to draft Brady Quinn ... the "most NFL ready QB in recent memory".  Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder were all top 12 picks in 2011. Sam Bradford was the top overall pick in 2010. He has made some progress, but he's far from being anything resembling a top QB going into his 4th season. The Jets desperately wanted to trade with us back in 2009 to move up to 6 and grab Mark Sanchez. (the 2nd best QB in the draft) Just because a player is drafted 1st or 2nd overall at his position doesn't ensure success. Some are even of the opinion that Barkley (lol) may move up to overtake Smith as the top overall QB taken.Now I don't care if he is drafted high, as long as it isn't by us. I see no value at QB anywhere in the top half of the first round of this draft. Maybe if one of these guys gets to do as Rodgers did, and come in and sit, learn, and develop his skills behind a very good starter, then they might succeed. However, I just don't see success for either guy if thrown into the fire right off the bat.
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In general QBs are the toughest evaluation for the transition. Probably no other position OTHER THAN Wide Receivers Bust out pct. wise.
So do you decide not to draft a QB or a WR in the first round because of that?
The position QB will always elevate the conceived worth of a prospect as well as the contract. There just is not ONE position on the team that will define its competitiveness.
Geno has the technique n God gifted tools to become a star in the NFL...would he be my pick? No but last I looked I do not have a say.
What I do know is these guys did not pick Weeden.
What I do know we have a lot of young players ready to contribute a lot more - ergo we will not be in the top 10 of the draft for quite a while.
What I do know we had Mega Cap Space to invest in precise pieces to add to the youth we have n become a better team.
What I do know we have an excellent OL, RB n a young impressive WR corp.
What I do know is we have had a terrible offense for like...FOREVER!
We did not get the opportunity to draft the SURE THING QB at #4 position in the draft n there were TWO PROSPECTS...What makes you all think one will drop into our laps as we become more competitive?
New Regime...Prospect in the wings who is going on 30 n not yest established that they Inherited. I think he will do well with our new Offense. Still this might be their best chance at a Franchise QB in the draft. I would not be surprised nor could I criticize the New Regime if they went in this direction.
So what is the Smoke Screen? Us doing a private workout with Geno to put him in more prioritized throws from our new playbook...to our WRs who come down to help?
Or Banner stating back in Jan. "We will not be looking at QB with our #6 pick", to again state after our Private Workout - Just taking a look we are not looking to draft a QB 
Just guessing...but I think Geno Smith has been the target from DAY ONE! Would love to get Ansah, Jones or Millner. But lets face it. Franchise QB is the one position that has held us back since 99!
I've read posters state they wish they can Morph Weedens Arm to Colt's Legs...well I think that is what Geno Smith gives us...so I will not be surprised nor disappointed if Norv Turner n Chud review this QB n fall in love with his Talent.
I will like whatever we end up taking at #6 - well unless its a WR 
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In general QBs are the toughest evaluation for the transition. Probably no other position OTHER THAN Wide Receivers Bust out pct. wise.
So do you decide not to draft a QB or a WR in the first round because of that?
The position QB will always elevate the conceived worth of a prospect as well as the contract. There just is not ONE position on the team that will define its competitiveness.
Geno has the technique n God gifted tools to become a star in the NFL...would he be my pick? No but last I looked I do not have a say.
What I do know is these guys did not pick Weeden.
What I do know we have a lot of young players ready to contribute a lot more - ergo we will not be in the top 10 of the draft for quite a while.
What I do know we had Mega Cap Space to invest in precise pieces to add to the youth we have n become a better team.
What I do know we have an excellent OL, RB n a young impressive WR corp.
What I do know is we have had a terrible offense for like...FOREVER!
We did not get the opportunity to draft the SURE THING QB at #4 position in the draft n there were TWO PROSPECTS...What makes you all think one will drop into our laps as we become more competitive?
New Regime...Prospect in the wings who is going on 30 n not yest established that they Inherited. I think he will do well with our new Offense. Still this might be their best chance at a Franchise QB in the draft. I would not be surprised nor could I criticize the New Regime if they went in this direction.
So what is the Smoke Screen? Us doing a private workout with Geno to put him in more prioritized throws from our new playbook...to our WRs who come down to help?
Or Banner stating back in Jan. "We will not be looking at QB with our #6 pick", to again state after our Private Workout - Just taking a look we are not looking to draft a QB
Just guessing...but I think Geno Smith has been the target from DAY ONE! Would love to get Ansah, Jones or Millner. But lets face it. Franchise QB is the one position that has held us back since 99!
I've read posters state they wish they can Morph Weedens Arm to Colt's Legs...well I think that is what Geno Smith gives us...so I will not be surprised nor disappointed if Norv Turner n Chud review this QB n fall in love with his Talent.
I will like whatever we end up taking at #6 - well unless its a WR
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I totally agree with you eo ... +1 
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Toad the vast majority of the NCAA is going to that offense.
Geno Smith's positive is his natural look seems to be that of a Pocket Passer who can be Mobile if need be. But if you are going to eliminate Spread option guys...who will be left? Stanford QBs only???
I agree, and have been saying so for a number of years.
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What do you do with Weeden?
Start him and let Gino learn? Waste of a pick when you could wait till next year.
Trade him? Who wants him? (Besides the jets probably)
Let Gino start over him? you're just asking for trouble.
If they think Smith can come in and be productive DAY ONE then you take him and dump Weeden for whatever you can get.
If not you go with Weeden. And if he bombs you get a (better than Weeden and Gino combined) QB next year.
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If not you go with Weeden. And if he bombs you get a (better than Weeden and Gino combined) QB next year.
Forget it, it makes too much sense to play it out with Weeden for better or worse, but our guys can't hold their feet still to add another QB. Up until now, every "rumor" that lasted some weeks became reality, so I don't think it's IF but WHEN these clowns trade for Mallett..and if they do, he's their starter....there will be no competition. He will have a typical season for a 1st time starter, some up and downs and we will hear them say that Mallett needs another season, thus we will NOT draft any of the 3 to 5 1st round worthy QBs in the 2014 draft...typical Browns style.
I'll actually be impressed with this FO if they do the smart thing and not waste any 1st or 2nd rounder on a QB and let 2013 play out with Weeden in a system suited to his strengths....that "non-move" would bump my confidence level over 50% in these guys, but I doubt that'll happen
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??? Don't really understand what you mean there. I see you don't agree???
1. Most here are not pimping us taking Geno Smith...most of us are seeing the logic along with Probability that it indeed could become our choice come Draft day.
2. Off to another poster forgot who...but I don't understand that if we choose to Groom Geno for a year or two its conceived as a Wasted pick? I don't get it. A rookie QB is not going to be in his game - its a matter of learning n being ready to play. Kaepernick he learned for a year n half. He turned out good. He was a wasted pick? Philip Rivers who waited 3 years before he got his shot...that was wasted?
Obviously its not a waste if their is somebody who is ready n playing. Is the one season Weeden played enough to give him an edge NOW to be the best QB to start in Sept? That would not make it a wasted 2013 pick. He wold learn n learn the perfect way not via mistakes. But it would all be up to the success of Weeden...if he struggles by mid year Geno could get his start. I guarantee you those 8 games n training camp under his belt before his first start would have him light years ahead then if all got thrown on him to start Game 1. 2014 starter...better foundation laid out then coming straight from college. 2015...I would expect him to be named the starter - if Weeden continues to do well I'd open the doors for a trade n get a kings ransom. Start Geno...I see no waste.
The only waste is if he becomes damaged goods (mentally or physically) n becomes a bust.
But Django this is not about fickle fans. This is simply about a new Regime taking hold n got themselves a 30 year old Project at QB...if they feel Geno is THE GUY...they have no investment in Weeden. I would hope that Weeden would win a competition which would not be indication that we made a mistake with Geno...just means Weeden is more ready for the start!
This is not about me making a draft pick n pimping Geno Smith... this is ME n others posting on a THREAD of thoughts on Geno Smith. It is a possibility that our guys with the power to be want Geno Smith as their QB to build this new O around??? It is not an oddity at all that a Regime with entire change. Owner, CEO, GM, asst. GM, HC, OC n system, DC n system. Nah this would not have us speculate that these guys will decide on picking a QB for their Regime??? Geno the right guy? Nobody is saying - Don't matter if he is Good or BAD we need to get the top QB of this draft regardless of the cost...NAH NOBODY REMOTELY SUGGESTS that. The Draftnicks actually are suggesting Geno might go. 2, 3 or 4 in this draft. Why? those are teams who do not have established franchise QBs...Its a Possibility?
Well if it is for a team that drafted Gabbert two years ago n a lot hire than we did...then it just could be conceptual for this to be our FATE???
Not Probable...but I would hope Weeden starts even if we pick Geno. I think it can only benefit us if Weeden does well n when we start Geno teams will give up a lot for Weeden. I also am of the belief that Geno can best develop with at least one season of grooming. But I'm not making MY PICK MY WISH...I just am looking at the facts and see this as being very probable. If this is what they have decided...I both Understand it n will get behind it as a positive!
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It's easy EO...regardless of Weeden....if we "invest" a 1st for Geno or a 2nd or more for Mallet, than we WON'T draft a QB in 2014, a much better QB class....I can already name you 3 guys that are better prospects than Geno, possibly up to 5.
With Weeden on the roster, it makes even less sense, since we don't even know exactly what we have in him, especially after being forced in a system not suited to him and now moving to a shotgun system that fits his style much better...so by going elswhere at QB this offseason NOT ONLY do we buy high in a crap class, thus inhibiting us to get value at QB in 2014, but we ALSO waste a valuable piece of the 2012 draft class....yeah, I get that they have no ties to Weeden, but that still does not absolve them to do dumb things
Only way I'd accept Geno or Mallet is if we collect value along the way....Geno after a trade down? Very unlikely, as we would not trade down if we think he's THE guy, right? and I'd only accept Mallet if it "only" costs our 3rd or less (unlikely too). In this draft class it might make sense to switch our 6th with the Pats 29th though, which is still the value of a mid 1st but that could make it work for both sides....think about it, what would you rather have? Geno? or Mallett and a low 1st? The latter looks like a better gamble to me, but I'm still talking "lesser evil" here...oh and NO WAY they'd draft Geno or trade for Mallett and Weeden starts, NO WAY
My plan would be: add Kolb on a 1 year deal for competition at QB, trade out of the 6th pick for more value and not think about the QB position before the 3rd round
Btw, I could care less to "follow" the new FOs thought process...I voice my opinion on what would be the best thing for the Browns, not what the egos of a new regime want
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Just curious but I like the long term potential of Jones and Manuel better than that of Geno and Barkley. I think Manuel goes in the 2nd but I would take Jones with our 3rd and have him absorb this offense behind Weeden. That would not preclude us from drafting a QB in the 1st next year but it will help us to develop the QB position. You look at what the backup QB has been traded for lately and it is well worth that investment.
The A&M vs Okla game last year sold me on Jones running Chud's offense in the AFC North in the worst weather conditions. His ball slices the wind like Farve and I see enough to work with.
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Toad, this has "trade down" written all over it potentially. I want our guy there. At 6. Don't be too cute with a sub-par draft unless you have had a great FA run. Not sure what part of the competition is the new offense, but these are two different packages in Weeds and Smith. Think we CAN lock down another corner at 6. Wait and see, I guess, but this feels worse as it wears on. 
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My hope is we get Jones in the 3rd round.He could push Weeden and then Norv could work with him and he could take over if weeden dosen't get the job done this year.
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How many minds are going to be blown when we trade our first, next years first and more picks to trade up and get Geno?
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before the Alex Smith deal heard draftnicks stating Geno Smith might go to the Chiefs...lol  Talking heads say the darndest things (in my best Art Linkletter voice).
Doesn't justify a top 10 pick. After 10 I think there is a big gap of teams not looking at QB? But in this new Rookie CAP era if you DO NOT HAVE a Franchise QB you got to take the risk which is not as much as before...Contract is reasonable n because he is in the first you get him signed long enough to develop him. So who knows???
All depends on Chud/Norv how they assess him.
I'm telling you dawgs...take a look at this kid Peter Lalich - 5th 6th round pick...It could be the steal of the draft! 
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The Browns aren't selecting Geno Smith. In my estimation, they're having him do a private workout with them to see for themselves what he has and what they could reasonably expect to get in return if they traded out of the #6 spot.
Geno Smith will be doing private workouts with several teams, some of them obviously looking for a QB. They want to see with their own eyes what they would be trading away.
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How many minds are going to be blown when we trade our first, next years first and more picks to trade up and get Geno?
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I'll actually be impressed with this FO if they do the smart thing and not waste any 1st or 2nd rounder on a QB and let 2013 play out with Weeden in a system suited to his strengths....that "non-move" would bump my confidence level over 50% in these guys, but I doubt that'll happen
I didn't realize that there was a system in the NFL where you build a campfire, roast marshmellows, sing KumBaYah, and then throw the football. 
As I expressed earlier, I really don't want us to draft Smith either, but it's tough wasting another year on a mental midget.
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I'll actually be impressed with this FO if they do the smart thing and not waste any 1st or 2nd rounder on a QB and let 2013 play out with Weeden in a system suited to his strengths....that "non-move" would bump my confidence level over 50% in these guys, but I doubt that'll happen
I didn't realize that there was a system in the NFL where you build a campfire, roast marshmellows, sing KumBaYah, and then throw the football.
As I expressed earlier, I really don't want us to draft Smith either, but it's tough wasting another year on a mental midget.
You know that McCoy is still on the team and isn't a mental midget, right? He's also likely to be in the mix to win the starting job.
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Not a huge McCoy fan, but I do think he is a better qb than Weeden.
Sorry Vers but I am a McCoy fan and I have to strongly disagree ... and respectfully ... 
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How many minds are going to be blown when we trade our first, next years first and more picks to trade up and get Geno?
do you mean literally? because I think jumping off the bridge into the MetroParks Zoo is still the preferred way to go.
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Not a huge McCoy fan, but I do think he is a better qb than Weeden.
Sorry Vers but I am a McCoy fan and I have to strongly disagree ... and respectfully ...
I'm a Browns fan but I think that McCoy is a better QB than Weeden because he's smarter than Weeden by leaps.
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Sorry Vers but I am a McCoy fan and I have to strongly disagree ... and respectfully ...
I'm a Browns fan but I think that McCoy is a better QB than Weeden because he's smarter than Weeden by leaps.
We'll never go anywhere with McCoy. We might go somewhere with Weeden.
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Not a huge McCoy fan, but I do think he is a better qb than Weeden.
I have no idea how you came to this conclusion, but I respectfully disagree too, it ain't even close imho. I guess it's that old "rooting for the underdog" vs "hating on the underachiever with talent" thing that overvalues a dude like McCoy in comparison to Weeden...Colt has shown time and again that he is not a NFL QB. His "toughness" and especially his "mental" makeup have always been incredibly overrated too among Browns fans. The only AVG or above AVG tool he has are his wheels as a QB...he never had any upside and that's why he fell to the low 3rd in one of the weakest QB classes I can remember
Weeden? We will see or maybe not if we get someone else in, but he's in another world as Colt
Btw, McCoy will be cut the moment we draft/sign ANY QB, as we won't pay him over 2mil to do nothing in his last season as a Brown
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Just curious but I like the long term potential of Jones and Manuel better than that of Geno and Barkley. I think Manuel goes in the 2nd but I would take Jones with our 3rd and have him absorb this offense behind Weeden. That would not preclude us from drafting a QB in the 1st next year but it will help us to develop the QB position. You look at what the backup QB has been traded for lately and it is well worth that investment.
The A&M vs Okla game last year sold me on Jones running Chud's offense in the AFC North in the worst weather conditions. His ball slices the wind like Farve and I see enough to work with.
I've said all along that I'd have no problem in investing a 3rd or 4th on a guy like Jones, Manuel or Bray...for different reasons. Foremost, I think that's where the "value" of this QB class is at and 2nd, I think it's the smart thing to do, since we don't know what we have in Weeden and have no real backup QB for 2014 anyway with McCoy gone....so since QB is a difficult position to transition to the NFL, it's smart to invest BEFORE you need, so that the investment gets some practice and experience in
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do you mean literally? because I think jumping off the bridge into the MetroParks Zoo is still the preferred way to go.
I'm not saying I want this to happen. Nor do I think it's going to happen.
But it's well within the realm of possibility and if it happens....well....I guess I will be more than a little upset.
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I'd be happy with a late flyer on Lalich. There's something about that kid. He's hip and eccentric, a little like McMahon back in the day. But he seems to have prototypical skills.
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Again I'm posting on what I think is possible/probable from our FO come draft day, on a thread asking about Geno Smith. Anarchy quoted my personal opinion.
Its not what you or I would do - its what they would do.
2014 - you mean wait till next year? Yeah I heard that about Joe Thomas - next year we could take Jake Long...of course our 1st round pick in 08 would have been #22??? n Long went #1. For all we know we can be in a slot that have 5 QBs taken before we get a chance to pick.
I've said it all along n YES I'm passing the Buck.
IF...."IF" Chud/Norv really like Geno Smith - then I am pretty sure he will be our pick if available. Not me...Not you. Chud n Norv the ones who will inherit him. And I put down the LOGIC behind my claim. Which you never addressed btw. Where will we pick next year? A team cannot say things like...well we really like this kid. But next year there are 4 guys Who MIGHT be better prospects...lets take a chance we can Draft one of them. What ever happened with the reality of a Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.
I am not working him out. I am not putting him in a classroom n doing a skull session with him. I am not sitting down in the film room with him asking what he reads...I do know he has n NFL arm. He has good footwork. He has escapability. If Chud n Norv study him in depth and come out with the agreement they like him as THE GUY. No way they say...BUT WAIT A SEC...we might be able to do better next year lets pass.
I got 3 guys on my personal list n in this order.
1. Ansah OLB
2. Jones OLB
3. Millner CB
Those are my personal choices regarding our #6 pick.
But the author is asking for my "THOUGHTS" on Geno Smith. These are them.
I am preparing myself mentally for that direction not cause I covet it. But because it could be the direction they (FO n Coaching Staff) go.
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When the dust settles on the quarterback debate the question you have to ask is:
Do you believe that Brandon Weeden is capable of leading a team to a winning season?
Winning games in the clutch? Down four points late in the game against division rivals and winning games when the team is looking at "You" to win?
Posting a winning record and getting into the playoffs.
Then going against the best teams to win a championship?
If not now then when? 2014, 2015, 2016?
Doubts? Well you are not alone. Haslam and company have doubts. They didn't draft Weeden. Their goal is to produce a consistent winning team. Not a one year wonder. They have made it clear there will be competition.
So far no QB has been added. So it looks like the draft will have to supply competition.
You have to look at the draft now the sixth pick not 2014 which is an unknown.
For the most part great quarterbacks are early first round selections. Yes, of course there has been quarterbacks picked later who have become great. But there is no debate that the later the pick the longer the odds.
So we come to this years quarterback class.
My opinion is Banner and company have to identify the guy they believe can be "their guy" and go get him. If that is Geno then go get him. If it is someone else
like Manuel, Landry Jones, Barkley, Tyler Wilson, or Matt Scott then move in the draft accordingly.
In my opinion Tyler Wilson would be a steal in the third. I also like Matt Scott.
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"IF...."IF" Chud/Norv really like Geno Smith - then I am pretty sure he will be our pick if available. Not me...Not you. Chud n Norv the ones who will inherit him. And I put down the LOGIC behind my claim. Which you never addressed btw. Where will we pick next year? A team cannot say things like...well we really like this kid. But next year there are 4 guys Who MIGHT be better prospects...lets take a chance we can Draft one of them. What ever happened with the reality of a Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.
I am not working him out. I am not putting him in a classroom n doing a skull session with him. I am not sitting down in the film room with him asking what he reads...I do know he has n NFL arm. He has good footwork. He has escapability. If Chud n Norv study him in depth and come out with the agreement they like him as THE GUY. No way they say...BUT WAIT A SEC...we might be able to do better next year lets pass."
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I totally agree with you here. You can not look down the road.
If they believe Geno has what it takes then pull the trigger.
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We'll never go anywhere with McCoy. We might go somewhere with Weeden.
Yeah, to 5-11 or 4-12. With better talent, Weeden managed a record no better than McCoy.
McCoy's ability to get a first down with his feet makes him already a better option than Weeden unless Weeden develops into an older version of Andrew Luck overnight.
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We won 5 games in 2010: Wallace started the Bengals game that we won 23-20 Delhomme started the Panthers and Dolphins victories. McCoy started the Saints and Patriots victories. He threw for 74 yards in the Pats game ..... just so we don't over-emphasize his play in that game. We won 4 games in 2011 We won 5 games last year. McCoy has never won more than 4 games in any season. Weeden won 5 games last year. I am confused how you feel that 4 = 5?
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bonefish a lot of those questions about Weeden unfortunately cannot be answered until put to the fire. I didn't see too much of the "IT" factor in last season regardless of the bad environment...I did wish I saw more of "IT". Colt on the other hand showed a lot of that "IT" factor in 2010 until he turned that ankle. Somehow under the new leadership or anit-leadership (which ever way you wish to look at it) Colt had the "IT" factor pretty much disappear in 2011.
As for Weeden can he win the big games. Championship games. All I do know is in 2011 he did beat RG3, LUCK n TANNEHILL if that equates to that "CAN HE WIN" question you put out there...n I think one of them - forgot which one might have been their Bowl Game. So he came to us as someone who can WIN.
I think his COMFORT LEVEL some might equate that to CONFIDENCE LEVEL seems to fit into what our new system is. Also Chud n Norv I think can make ANY QB (so no QB has an edge over the other) Comfortable in their system by not asking of them things they Cannot or are NOT ready to do. Something I think our last Leaders were terrible at. It just coming into the NFL Weedens best positives all seem to be for a Vertical Stretch System - Where instead of a triangle system cluttering a small designed area...we got a tier system where there is a 40 - 20 - 10 (then check down) options. I think the Pre-snap reads will be easier. But I think Weeden can get comfortable in a 5 drop system - he led the NFL in blocked passes on the LOS. He needs to get more depth on his drops but again a lot to do with the clutter where the passing lanes were clogged n the Triangle was grouped too close together.
If Weeden was 23/24...I think we would be able to easier commit to him. Which again not picking him as their Franchise Prospect...I can see Chud/Norv picking one...whether its at #6 or Mid to late Round to Develop (but its a rare occasion for a true Franchise QB come out of the woodwork.
Why I think 6th round Lalich is as good a shot as any! He seems to have that confidence n I wish I could see him more - but Supposedly he throws the best ball zip, spiral, accuracy of all the QBs in this draft.
What is there to lose 
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This might sound crazy, but I could see taking Geno AND a late flyer on Lalich. That way, Lalich is an insurance policy in case Smith turns out to be Andre Ware. But again, Norv knows QBs. If Lalich is the real deal, grab a CB or OLB in first and then Lalich in the third if you think you have to. I like him better than Glennon/Jones/Wilson/Dysart/etc.
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We won 5 games in 2010:
Wallace started the Bengals game that we won 23-20
Delhomme started the Panthers and Dolphins victories.
McCoy started the Saints and Patriots victories. He threw for 74 yards in the Pats game ..... just so we don't over-emphasize his play in that game.
We won 4 games in 2011
We won 5 games last year.
McCoy has never won more than 4 games in any season.
Weeden won 5 games last year.
I am confused how you feel that 4 = 5?
Yay! 5 Wins! 
Get your mouth of Weeden's jock strap, will ya? It's not a good look.
Weeden had better talent and more protection than McCoy did. Furthermore, McCoy wasn't supposed to start his rookie season but was thrust into it. He was, it would seem, to be forced to sit and learn. What he got was a baptism by fire. Weeden was anointed to the position and underachieved.
I'm all for a fair competition to see who wins the job and in that sense, I think Weeden loses because he's just not smart enough to be an NFL QB. Weeden has a stronger arm than McCoy but has half the ability to run an offense.
Don't believe me? Would you believe Trent Richardson, who has more intimate knowledge than we do. and isn't afraid to say it.
Maybe his former coach at Okie State, Jake Spivatal, can convince you that he doesn't put in the effort to improve his game.
McCoy is the leader, not Weeden. McCoy is the one that got the playbook before the lockout and held the 'Camp Colt' sessions with the players, organizing them himself.
All you Weeden sycophants are nothing more than jock sniffers! The guy is a bust and never should have been drafted. If there is an actual competition for the job, Weeden will lose. He'd lose to any college level QB willing to put in the work.
Of the QBs currently on the roster, McCoy gives you the best chance to win games. Thaddeus Lewis gives you the second best chance and Weeden is the worst QB on the roster.
Say what you want about 'abilities' and this or that. It all comes down to who will win your team the most games. Weeden isn't that person. Period.
So many people on this board ridiculed the idea of bringing in Alex Smith, saying that the Browns already have such a player on the roster with McCoy. Well, it seems that Dwayne Bowe in KC likes what he sees going on in KC. That's why he re-upped with them instead of testing the free agent market. I would go so far as to say that if the Browns had gone elsewhere in the draft than Weeden last year and kept McCoy as their starter, the team would have won more games and would be perceived by free agents on the offensive side of the ball better than they currently are.
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It doesn't matter who they choose, as long as they play well enough to win (which is different than winning btw)
Because no matter who they put out there, if they don't play well it will be second guessed.
"Weeden could of made that deep pass"
"McCoy could of ran that for a first down"
The only thing worse than having no QB is having two.
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Really? Tell that to San Francisco. They got a lot in return for trading Alex Smith. Tell that to the Redskins. When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins won them a game as a starting QB. Oh yeah. That game was against us. And that one win was the difference in them making the playoffs or not making the playoffs.
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You might just want to get yours off of McCoy's ..... Just saying. I have said that I don't know if Weden is the answer, but I do know that McCoy is not. He does absolutely nothing well, except throw against soft zones. He creates no big plays. Weeden had more talent around him last year, but absolutely no experience. We started rookies at RT, RB, WR, had a 2nd rookie WR on the field frequently, and the other receiver was a 2nd year player who was plagued by drops throughout the 1st half of last year. Neither guy was put into the best of situations, but McCoy has shown no ability to be an NFL QB, at least after his rookie season. He did OK as a rookie, until teams figured him out late in his rookie season. He has never been effective since. At least Weeden has an arm, and understands how to put the ball in front of a receiver so they can run with it. This has consistently escaped McCoy throughout his career. As far as Trent "slamming" Weeden ...... gee ... a rookie QB had trouble reading defenses, imagine that. McCoy still can't read a defense, and he's a 4th year player. Oh well, enjoy your McCoy crush.
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Really? Tell that to San Francisco. They got a lot in return for trading Alex Smith. Tell that to the Redskins. When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins won them a game as a starting QB. Oh yeah. That game was against us. And that one win was the difference in them making the playoffs or not making the playoffs.
Couch/Holcomb
Quinn/Anderson
When you have two GOOD QBs? Yeah sure, that's great, but USUALLY it's easy to tell which ones the starter. Hell SF didn't know they had two QBs till they actually played Cap. And Smith was still somewhat seen as a "Game Manager"
Two average QBs? You might as well flip a coin... wait...
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Green Bay — Too many personal film sessions ran long. When Jake Spavital returned to his office at West Virginia, quarterback Geno Smith was usually camped out watching tape. The quarterbacks coach had no choice but to shag Smith away. The quarterback had class.
So then, Spavital had a solution.
“I got him an iPad so he’d go to class,” said Spavital, who is now at Texas A&M. “And then he’d start watching the iPad tape in class, which causes more distractions.”
A constant need for film paid off. Smith is widely considered the top quarterback prospect in this year's NFL draft class.
Questions dominate the position. Unlike last year, there isn't an Andrew Luck or a Robert Griffin III rampaging into the NFL. West Virginia’s Smith is the headliner and could go as high as No. 1 overall to the Kansas City Chiefs. On Tuesday, Spavital described Smith as the quintessential “film junkie.” Through these last few years, he has coached the record-setting Case Keenum at Houston, Brandon Weeden at Oklahoma State and then Smith.
Out of the three, Smith was the most complete quarterback. And while outsiders may have doubts, Spavital believes Smith has a skill-set that will translate to the pros.
To him, the Chiefs have to take Geno Smith first overall.
“I think it’s a no-brainer to take the first quarterback overall,” he said. “I’ve been around some pretty good ones and I’ve never seen a guy that’s this complete as a quarterback. And he’s hungry.”
On that iPad, Smith watched every snap of Aaron Rodgers’ season in 2011. Sometimes, Spavital joined him but usually Smith watched the Packers quarterback on his own. The 6-foot-3, 215-pounder began mimicking Rodgers’ play-action tendencies. The Packers and Mountaineers run a handful of similar formations. In the split-back, play-action game, Smith noticed that Rodgers rides a prolonged fake to the running back to protect himself longer in the pocket.
So he started doing the same thing at West Virginia.
Same story with Drew Brees. Smith liked how Brees pump-faked the opposite direction before throwing screen passes to backs, so he picked that habit up, too.
“He studies it,” Spavital said. “With Brandon Weeden, I couldn’t say that about him. I love the guy to death but he had some good guys around him. Brandon knew how to get the ball to those guys. There were times at West Virginia when (Smith) had to create things.”
All three quarterbacks Spavital coached were very different. He said Keenum had the quickest release of the three but didn’t measure up physically. Weeden had the “strongest arm” but also benefited from a strong supporting cast.
Smith was the best overall player. Neither Weeden or Keenum were quite the student of the game, too.
“He could do it all,” Spavital said. “He could be under center. He can throw out of the shotgun. He can throw comebacks. He can pull it and run when he needs to. We got to do some pretty good stuff with Geno because he was such a good student of the game and we could do anything with him. ... He impresses me a lot with the things that he can do — how he operates the game, how he studies. He would actually sit there and bring ideas to the table. There were times when we let him check 80% of the game. We put a lot on him and he’s capable of doing that."
Smith finished the 2012 season with 4,205 passing yards, 42 touchdowns and only six interceptions. At times, he was video-game efficient.
In a 70-63 win over Baylor, Smith was a mind-boggling 45 of 51 for 656 yards with eight touchdowns and no picks. The next week — surrounded by 100,000-plus at Texas — he led West Virginia to a 48-45 win. And when Smith couldn't feel his hands in a frigid win over Iowa State, he pretended to do play-action fakes in the screen game to get a better grip on the ball.
Said Spavital, "He knows how to think on his feet and be creative with things.”
But there was also that whole five-game losing streak in the middle of the season. Smith's early grip on the Heisman Trophy slipped away and the Mountaineers’ season ended with a thud against Syracuse when Smith was less than impressive. Spavital admits Smith didn't have enough touch on his deep ball as a junior, but said the mid-season struggles in 2012 were a reflection of coaches asking him to do too much more than Smith himself.
Overall, an attention to detail fed Smith's growth and he mostly shed any potential "system quarterback" label. Smith operated in the shotgun and under center. Immediately after each home game, Smith and Spavital watched a replay of the full game together. Smith cleaned up, grabbed food and brought it to his coach's office. He needed to see it while it was fresh in his mind.
From there, Spavital said the quarterback would watch that Saturday's game “four or five times” before their next meeting together.
At the NFL scouting combine, Smith now has a chance to cash in.
“There are those guys that are ‘what can football do for me?’ He’s ‘what can I do for football,’” Spavital said. “That’s how he approaches it. You take the game away from him and he’s got nothing.”
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