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of course it's true. I've been saying, Geno is a good QB. For me the only thing he's really missing is elite arm strength.
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It has always been hard to get a good read on college QB's translation to the NFL but now it is insanely difficult. My breakdown on smith.
Smith has good feet and balance, he sets his feet quickly and that is probably my favorite attribute of the kid. Pretty good arm, nothing that really stands out. He keeps his eyes downfield even when rolling out of the pocket. He tends to drift a bit in the pocket, which his OL in the pros will have to become accustomed to.
I see decent accuracy to all levels of the field but nothing that really stands out. He is hitting a lot of stationary targets or targets down the field with a huge cushion that can adjust to the flight of the ball. I dont want to knock a QB for having receivers that can get open but we havent seen him hit the tight window.
If I am taking a qb top 10 I want to wowed with something. Hell taking any player top 10, there has to be a wow factor. Kid may end up being great but right now there is nothing that screams elite. Even Weeden has wow arm strength and wow he is really freaking old for a rookie lol.
I just havent seen anything that makes me believe he is going to be a star at the next level and I want star potential in the top 10. If I stay at 6, I probably take Rhodes or Jones then bargain shop potential QBs in the 3rd or 4th.
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You might just want to get yours off of McCoy's .....
Just saying.
I don't care who the QB is. I just happen to think that McCoy is a good enough QB and he's better than your round 1 QB.
Sorry, just the way that I see it. Nobody other than Weeden's sycophants can say something good about Weeden. Wasn't Weeden supposed to be the answer? Why all the QB competition talk? Why is there even a thread about Geno Smith?
We're talking about drafting or otherwise bring in QBs to find a starter whose name isn't Brandon Weeden - and yet, the Cleveland radio and TV personalities are convincing the fan base that Weeden's crap doesn't stink but smells like eternal roses.
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I have said that I don't know if Weeden is the answer, but I do know that McCoy is not. He does absolutely nothing well, except throw against soft zones. He creates no big plays.
Okay. Whatever. You keep saying it but I could give you examples otherwise. Now, tell us how you conclude that Weeden MIGHT be the QB for the Browns.
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Weeden had more talent around him last year, but absolutely no experience. We started rookies at RT, RB, WR, had a 2nd rookie WR on the field frequently, and the other receiver was a 2nd year player who was plagued by drops throughout the 1st half of last year.
No experience? He's going to be 30 in October and spent 5 years in the Yankees organization. He's got experience and he was taken in the first round. Andrew Luck didn't have experience. Neither did RG3, Ryan Tannehill or Russell Wilson. Colin Kaepernick had less game experience when he was thrust into the job than Weeden had but he still performed.
Quit sniffing Weeden's jock strap. It's unbecoming of you.
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Neither guy was put into the best of situations, but McCoy has shown no ability to be an NFL QB, at least after his rookie season. He did OK as a rookie, until teams figured him out late in his rookie season. He has never been effective since.
The concussion and then not getting the shot to start again.  He got Alex Smith treatment - or Alex Smith got Colt McCoy treatment.
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At least Weeden has an arm, and understands how to put the ball in front of a receiver so they can run with it. This has consistently escaped McCoy throughout his career.
When you're going to make things up, at least make it a believable fabrication.
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As far as Trent "slamming" Weeden ...... gee ... a rookie QB had trouble reading defenses, imagine that. McCoy still can't read a defense, and he's a 4th year player. 
Oh well, enjoy your McCoy crush.
Blah, blah, blah. You bring everything back to McCoy. Even when Trent Richardson lambasts your boyfriend, you get all defensive and throw in McCoy's name.
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“He studies it,” Spavital said. “With Brandon Weeden, I couldn’t say that about him. I love the guy to death but he had some good guys around him. Brandon knew how to get the ball to those guys. There were times at West Virginia when (Smith) had to create things.”
I'd be remiss if I didn't point out this little nugget given some of the discussions on here over the past 16 months or so. This is Brandon Weeden's college quarterbacks coach basically saying blackmon made weeden and not the other way around.
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Not that part, the part about Weeden not being a hard worker.
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It doesn't matter who they choose, as long as they play well enough to win (which is different than winning btw)
Because no matter who they put out there, if they don't play well it will be second guessed.
"Weeden could of made that deep pass"
"McCoy could of ran that for a first down"
The only thing worse than having no QB is having two.
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Couch/Holcomb
Quinn/Anderson
When you have two GOOD QBs? Yeah sure, that's great, but USUALLY it's easy to tell which ones the starter. Hell SF didn't know they had two QBs till they actually played Cap. And Smith was still somewhat seen as a "Game Manager"
Two average QBs? You might as well flip a coin... wait...
2 good QBs is Montana and Young, or Favre and Rodgers, or Brees and Rivers. Vick/Schaub, McNabb/Kolb/Vick, Brady/Cassel, and Smith/Kaep are other examples. Sure maybe not all of those guys' careers turned out how it was thought, but the ones that got traded all netted a 2nd round pick or more.
What we have had, and what we currently have (until proven otherwise), is firmly in the 'have 0 QBs' category.
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Arizona has No QB.
Before the Smith trade KC had No QB.
We have two guys here that have shown "promise" and haven't outlasted their welcome ala Cassel/Kolb and others.
If we had No QB we could easily justify going and getting one. But because we have "two" we almost HAVE to see what at least one of them have.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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We do have two QB's? Looks to me like the organization doesn't believe that, and isn't even sure we have one. In fact I would pose to the city of Cleveland that we're closer to not having a starting QB on this team than having one.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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If we draft a QB, then obviously the FO doesn't even want to wait to see what Weeden/Colt has...
But then what happens when they're new guy "wins" the starting job? Isn't that the same thing everyone had a problem with before?
With this FO change, I really wish we could of just wiped the QB slate clean and start over, transitioning with guys here is just awkward...
Plus maybe Randy should of dropped a hint to H&H about the sale, and not wasted a 1st round pick on a QB...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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