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Bauer will be up on Wednesday, I'd guess. Kazmir looked better last night. He went 100 pitches, but it seemed to be a little more under control after the second inning.

Also, Marson to DL with shoulder inflammation. Gomes back up, plus Scott Barnes up for the day for the double-header.




Marsden has to go, he couldn't hit .250 in A ball.


I agree. Gomes is making a strong case for himself.


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This thing looks bad right now, but I have faith that Tito can kinda get this thing to tread water, and hopefully they get it going later on.

Although other than Masterson who got rocked today, we don't have a starter that we can count on.

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I'm happy with Reynolds, but is anyone else watching the April Hafner is having for the Yankees? 6 HR, 14 RBI, .305 Avg, 1.112 OPS. Its the best he has hit since 2006. Amazing when you consider how he seemed to spend half his at bats the last few years here trying to beat the infield shift by punching it through the left side. Anyway, I wish him well - hope he keeps it up until we play them.

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Are the Indians still playing?


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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they have uniforms and everything, it's great.

in fact, they actually got a real-life starting caliber performance out of a pitcher yesterday. and, it wasn't Justin Masterson! Corey Kluber looked great.

(though Masterson also pitched in the early game and got knocked around, but let's forget that happened)


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I'm happy with Reynolds, but is anyone else watching the April Hafner is having for the Yankees? 6 HR, 14 RBI, .305 Avg, 1.112 OPS. Its the best he has hit since 2006. Amazing when you consider how he seemed to spend half his at bats the last few years here trying to beat the infield shift by punching it through the left side. Anyway, I wish him well - hope he keeps it up until we play them.




I bet he's on the DL before the start of June. I have nothing against the guy, but I've seen this movie too many times.

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Jimenez with a really decent start tonight ...... 0 ER, 7 IP, 3 BB, and 4 K.

Indians up 9-0 in the 9th.


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and his ERA is still over 7, hopefully he can build on this good outing. Anyone see what his fastball was topping out at? Last time I saw him pitch he maxing out at 89.

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He hit 95-94 on consecutive pitches at one point, but was consistently low 90s. I think I read that the gun at Progressive was messed up that one game where we all thought he was topping out at 85 or so. I'll be ready to be impressed when he pitches well 3 starts in a row, because this guy is a tease.

Anyhoo, we get Roy Halladay tonight and Cliff Lee tomorrow vs Philly - I'd be happy with a split in those two games.

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Cliff Lee vs. Trevor Bauer on Wednesday. Nice matchup.


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I think Ubaldo has a better chance to recover than most (in that I think it's possible), but he has always owned the Royals. No matter how much he has struggled otherwise.


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Halladay got 'blowed' up. He's pitching more like Matt Holiday this year.


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This is a really interesting article about a rather uninspiring team, that created a bunch of MLB managers.

Five managers with connections to 1988 Indians, an unbelievable story - MLB - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/22170...elievable-story

Two items from Cleveland in the summer of 1988, and you choose which one is less likely:

A UFO was sighted.

Five members of the sixth-place Indians would move on to manage big-league clubs during the 2013 season.

Yeah, that's a tough call, right? But here's a hint: As the Indians host the Phillies in an interleague series this week, those are not UFOs managing the two clubs.

Unless, of course, you really stretch the definition so it somehow casts a net over Charlie Manuel.

"They probably saw that I became a big-league manager and thought, 'Hell, if Charlie can do that, I can, too,' " cracks the Phillies' Manuel of the other four men comprising this summer's bizarre Cleveland connection.

"That's funny," says Padres manager Bud Black, another '88 Indians alum.

You never know what's in store during a Midwestern summer.

A UFO really was sighted in Cleveland on July 18, 1988 -- at least, if you believe www.ufostalker.com.

But according to airtight proof from www.baseball-reference.com (sadly, there is no www.managerstalker.com), the '88 Indians actually did spawn five men managing this season: Manuel, Cleveland's hitting coach in 1988, and four players -- Black, current Indians manager Terry Francona, John Farrell (Red Sox) and Ron Washington (Rangers).

There appears to be neither rhyme nor reason as to why Cleveland, circa 1988, became the Cradle of Managers.

"If you'd have told me that a bunch of managers would have come from that team, all of us would have told you you're crazy," Francona says. "We were just trying to hang on.

"We were on a bad team, and we were all just trying to hang on. Me, Blackie and John Farrell used to hang out a lot and talk baseball. I just think it’s a coincidence. It just happened."

Doc Edwards' Indians that summer were a bumbling bunch that finished 78-84, sixth in the AL East. They were outscored by 65 runs.

And maybe one reason why their 16-4 start melted quickly was because, as pointed out by the trusty 1989 Elias Baseball Analyst, the '88 Indians had the strongest tendency in either league toward hitting fly balls. Yet they only finished eighth in the 14-team AL in homers.

Then, as now, Cleveland was a blue-collar city which prided itself on traditional standards. A billboard back in the day read, "Cleveland: The Home of Superman, Rock 'n' Roll and WMMS 100.7 FM." Today, WMMS is the "FM radio home for your Cleveland Indians."

Maybe, it was something in the air. The record-high temperature in the city, after all, was set on June 25, 1988 -- a smokin' 104 degrees.

Maybe, it was something in the Lake Erie water ... or the fertile Great Lakes soil.

"Or the midges, those bugs that come out every so often," Farrell chuckles.

Washington was a 36-year-old utility man hanging on to the twilight of a career he built through sheer determination and hard work.

Black, then 31, was a left-handed pitcher who joined the Indians on June 3, 1988, in a trade with the Royals.

Farrell, 25, was a right-handed pitcher in his first full season of what would be an eight-year career.

Francona, 29, a first baseman-outfielder, was better known in Cleveland as the son of former Indians star Tito Francona than on his own merit.

And Manuel was a longtime minor-league manager who was in his first season as the Indians' hitting coach.

"It's funny to look back at that list," says Bob DiBiasio, the Indians' public relations director in '88 and senior vice-president, public affairs today. "Nothing against Tito and Ron Washington, but you really saw it in Buddy and John Farrell.

"The incredible professionalism they had as two young guys. One thing about that group, I remember they hung out in the clubhouse after games talking ball.

"They weren't in a hurry to get home."

Together, under the tutelage of Edwards, while they were losing ballgames they were gaining their Hardball PhDs.

"Doc Edwards was a class act," Washington recalls. "He wasn't a big name, but he knew the game. And what he did was allow players to be who they were and to play.

"That's what I loved about Doc Edwards. He would never second-guess you. All he tried to do was help you be better."

Edwards became a manager following a brief five-year playing career with the Indians, Kansas City Athletics and New York Yankees. Turned out, 1988 was his only full season as a big-league manager. He replaced Pat Corrales in Cleveland midway through the 1987 season, and was replaced by John Hart midway through the 1989 season.

"Doc was a lot like Dave Garcia," says DiBiasio of another Indians manager (1980-1982). "Every day was a teaching day."

At home today in San Angelo, Texas, where he still manages an Independent League team at 76, Edwards swears he did not conduct early afternoon, pre-batting practice classes in Managing 101, or teach extra-credit How to Write Out a Lineup Card courses.

"You got lucky is what you did," he says over the telephone, sharp as ever, still tracking his former players. "You get some people with some good brains in their skull. ...

"I think you just sort of gravitate toward guys. You don't talk about it, but you feel it. You talk baseball, and they'll let you know who wants to talk baseball."

As DiBiasio notes, Black and Farrell became fast friends practically from the day Black arrived.

"I remember that he knew the game, talked the game, whether we were out to eat, on the bus, in the clubhouse," Black says of Farrell.

Says Farrell: "I do remember having conversations with Bud Black shagging balls during BP, 'Have you thought about what you're going to do after playing?' I don't know that there was a clear-cut answer.

"There always was the thought of staying in the game. And as careers evolve and opportunities present themselves, we're extremely fortunate to have [two] of 30 positions."

Though he was a first baseman-outfielder, Francona even back in those days had the uncanny knack of being able to relate to everybody.

"Sometimes you're on teams where the pitchers hang with the pitchers and the position players hang with the position players," Farrell says. "He was with everybody. He always interacted with everybody. Coaches, young players, old players, pitchers. He was always fun to be around and he always had a way.

"You could be laughing about something and then ask a question about the game, and his answers were always spot-on."

Farrell's first big-league staff job came under Francona in Boston, where he was the Red Sox pitching coach from 2007-2010. The two teamed to win the second World Series title of Francona's Red Sox tenure in '07.

Washington?

"I called him 'Sweets,' " Manuel says. "Because of how he played. He had a passion and love and desire. He took it real seriously. He had a lot of fun, and the players loved being around him. He had charisma."

You can still see all of that on display in Texas, where the Rangers players have developed a fierce loyalty toward Washington practically since general manager Jon Daniels hired him to manage before the 2007 season.

"My locker was next to Julio Franco," Washington says. "I talked lot of baseball with Julio. The one thing I wanted to do when my career was over was coach. I never wanted to be a manager. I wanted to be an infield instructor. I wanted to be a third-base coach. That’s what I wanted to be.

"Managing was something that happened upon me. I had really thought I reached pinnacle of my career when I was third-base coach in Oakland."

Instead, Washington soared higher, managing the Rangers into the most successful era in franchise history with World Series appearances in 2010 and '11.

The Indians in 1988 were not successful. Not even close, although the roster also included, among others, Franco, a young Joe Carter, Cory Snyder, Brook Jacoby, Mel Hall, Jay Bell and Willie Upshaw.

So they needed all of that fun, charisma and, yes, especially, ability to learn as they foundered at the bottom of the AL East.

"I remember John Farrell was a kid who came fast from A ball to Triple-A, and he got a left-handed hitter 0 and 2 and wanted to come in on him but left the ball out," Edwards says.

So. ...

"What were you thinking there?" the manager asked the pitcher.

"I wanted to come in, but I was trying to make sure I didn't hit him," Farrell answered.

"Now you're telling me you've got to stay away from the hitter," Edwards explained. "You can't worry, because if you do, you'll never master that.

“So the next time a lefty came up he hit the guy. He looked at me for my reaction in the dugout, and I took my cap off and tipped it to him.

"He was a tremendous competitor."

There are other memories from that season long ago, but none tops Washington's of old, legendary Municipal Stadium -- the giant, cavernous home to both the Indians and Browns that preceded modern Progressive Field.

"I remember two times a year, we sold that sucker out because of Marathon Oil," Washington says. "Two times a year, they bought it out and we'd have 72,000.

"One night, I made an error. And a fan made up a sign just that quick: 'To err is human, but to error is Ron Washington.' "

He roars at the memory.

"It sure didn't take him long to make a sign," he says, still marveling all these years later.

Fact is, nobody could know at the time that Cleveland was running a Manager Mill in that monstrous ballpark.

"Maybe we got that from, as Oil Can Boyd once said, that place on the ocean," Edwards says.

Good times. Good memories. Maybe things were more rickety and less comfortable then. But plant a few seeds, you never know what will grow. Or where.

Aside from that club producing 17 percent of today's managers, the left side of the '88 Indians' infield -- Jacoby (Reds) and Bell (Pirates) -- currently are major-league hitting coaches, and utility man Dave Clark is Houston’s first-base coach.

Funny thing is, back then, given his presence and leadership, Bell may have been the one voted Most Likely to Become a Manager. Maybe, he still will be.

The five managers from that '88 Indians club have combined to lead teams into six different World Series (Francona, Manuel and Washington two each), with three titles (Francona (2), Manuel (1)). Alas, none of them has been in a Cleveland uniform.

"I don't know," Farrell says. "Maybe it was just a place in time we ended up together.

"It wasn't like we were saying, 'Hey, in 20 years we're all going to be managing at the same time.' There was no way you could predict that.

"It goes back to personalities and wanting to stay in the game. Have a passion for it and give back. It's almost like you're passing on what others gave to you."

Maybe a more believable story would be that Clevelanders would have spotted five UFOs flying overhead on a 1988 summer's night before five members of that Indians club would become managers in 2013.

But, wow. Look at how things turned out.

"I've always said in this game you need people to care about you for you to have an opportunity to make something for yourself," Washington says. "And I had a lot of people who cared about me. I just try to pass that passion of people who cared about me on to others."

Says Manuel: "I pull for those guys. Every one of them."


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Ya, I caught that yesterday. Nice article.

The Indians are tied for the league lead in homers (Yankees the other). And they're first in all of baseball in slugging. Too bad our pitching staff is in the bottom 3rd.


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The Indians are tied for the league lead in homers (Yankees the other). And they're first in all of baseball in slugging. Too bad our pitching staff is in the bottom 3rd.




Would love to see a deal for an arm. I think bringing in one guy could maybe help put the other pitchers in their place.

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Interesting story-line about tonight's game.....it's the first time Cliff Lee has faced the Indians since we traded him. At home, no less.

Hopefully the fans give him a nice welcome.


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Interesting story-line about tonight's game.....it's the first time Cliff Lee has faced the Indians since we traded him. At home, no less.

Hopefully the fans give him a nice welcome.




the bats gave him a nice welcome


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4-1 vs former CYA winners in 2013 (beat Dickey, Price, Halladay, and Lee - lost to Peavy). Bauer will be ready as soon as he can throw his fastball for strikes consistently. You can see a real major league starting rotation beginning to form ... Masterson, McAlister, Bauer, Carrasco ... Jimenez?

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j/c.....Raburn is on FIRE! Bauer looked good...too many walks but he brought it when it counted. Hopefully the bats stay hot. Nice 4 game win streak.

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Tribe wins their 5th in a row! Drew Stubbs with a 10th inning double deep off the wall in Center to score Aliles for the win!

Stubbs with 4 hits tonight.

Nice walk off win.


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Oh, and Mark Reynolds also hit HR #9 tonight.

Man ... no Michael Borne, and no Nick Swisher, and they are still beating the cover off the ball. I love the depth this team has this year. Last year, even if we had signed Nick Swisher, if he got hurt we would be starting "Scrub 1" or "Scrub 2". This year we have talented guys to plug into holes when we have an injury or 2.

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Kazmir is looking good today, his fastball is up at 93, 94. Hope he is back cause that will really help our rotation, with Jimenez our biggest concern.

1. Masterson
2. Jimenez ????
3. McCallister
4. Kluber
5. Kazmir

5B. Bauer
5C. Carrasco
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Right now, its a staff with one #3 starter (Masterson) and four # 5's - imo. We'll see how it developes. There's reason to be optimistic, but maybe not for this year. As I type this, Kazmir just completed his 6th inning, Good Guys lead 4-2.

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Right now, its a staff with one #3 starter (Masterson) and four # 5's - imo. We'll see how it developes. There's reason to be optimistic, but maybe not for this year. As I type this, Kazmir just completed his 6th inning, Good Guys lead 4-2.




I think Zach and Kazmir are both SP3's (at least for now - I don't trust Kazmir to last the full year). Really hope that Bauer can figure out the walks because he can be lethal if he ever does.


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Tribe makes it 6 wins in a row with a 7-3 win over the Twins today.


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Watching Ubaldo pitch : having a root canal.

I can't stand this guy. He gets a hitter 0-2, 1-2 and starts nibbling. Aargh!

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5.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 8 K. Not a bad start. Not what you'd want as a #2, but not bad...

Reynolds' HR was impressive.


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Reynold's blast was mammoth! That was his 10th of the year already! What a tremendous signing he's been for us so far.

How about Asdrubal hitting 2 HR as well?

As far as Ubaldo, I am happy to see any signs of life out of him. He's had 2 acceptable starts in a row .... so hopefully he can build on that.


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lulz at him doing that slow trot right after he blasted it. That's what you do when they peg you in the game. I would have MF'd the dugout too.

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I like Giambi because of the veteran leadership and know how he brings to the team.


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It is very strange seeing him in a Tribe uniform.


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Does anyone else think Swisher should be batting lower in the lineup? Like 6th or 7th even (when Bourne comes back)?

Reynolds, Santana, Brantley are all proving to be better options in the middle of the lineup, 4-6.


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Speaking of Reynolds ...... is there a better investment thus far than Mark Reynolds?

$6 million. 30 games played by the Tribe. 29 games played by Reynolds. 10 HR. 5 Doubles. .291 batting average. 27 RBI.

I just wish he was signed for more than just this year.


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i'm not worried about a 1 or 2 spot change in the lineup. it's been proven to not affect very much.

my main concern is avoiding situations where guys like Giambi bat behind our best hitter (Santana), but he came through a couple nights ago when they walked Carlos.

My favorite lineup:
Bourn, Kipnis, Asdrubal, Santana, Reynolds, Swisher, Brantley, Chisenhall, Stubbs

Regardless, those are 9 true hitters and we still have Raburn, Giambi, etc. who have hit well when given the opportunity (Zeke in Columbus did as well). Been a fun year so far.


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I see a rising star in Yon Gomes @ Catcher, man what an arm and he seems to get the best out of the pitching staff ... JMHO


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Not sure about being a rising star just yet but he should replace Marson as the backup. Defensively, he does a decent job, and has a good arm. I dont think he is as good defensively as Marson but does have the better bat. I like his swing. He just needs to see more at-bats.


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Marson has only thrown out 11 of the last 82 base-stealers against him. I don't know what is wrong (pitchers? something else?), but he hasn't been Laser Lou since 2011.

funny enough, his OBP has risen quite a bit since then though.


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Understood. But when I say defensively I'm not solely talking about throwing out players. His performance behind the plate is also something I take into consideration. I also think its one of the main reasons he's been able to keep a backup job.


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Understood. But when I say defensively I'm not solely talking about throwing out players. His performance behind the plate is also something I take into consideration. I also think its one of the main reasons he's been able to keep a backup job.




fangraphs had an article this past offseason that demonstrated that Indians catchers (both Santana & Marson) were among the worst at framing pitchers in MLB. in that, Cleveland pitchers got less strike calls out of the strike zone than any other MLB team regardless of catcher (Lou or Carlos)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-much-better-could-justin-masterson-be/

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2012/11/16...ing-performance

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