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Man, Cleveland fans have such a losing mentality.
We make two great signings and the majority of posts are about who we have to cut. So many of you are being negative because of the regime and scheme change. Let it go.
These are two excellent moves. I'm happy.
I've always said that many have grown so comfortable in their misery that should we win a super bowl they'd find a negative in it!
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Man, Cleveland fans have such a losing mentality.
We make two great signings and the majority of posts are about who we have to cut. So many of you are being negative because of the regime and scheme change. Let it go.
These are two excellent moves. I'm happy.
Can you please stop with this? Weren't you the one who asked to refrain from hating on people's opinion on previous regimes in order to talk civil? yet you conveniently compare people's opinion to one of them?.....that lasted long. 
I think I am the only one, maybe there is one other person advocating A SINGLE cut as a result of the signing, and I love Desmond Bryant coming here. I think this shows the direction/commitment of this style of defense, and in any regime shift, there are casualties. Rubin OR Taylor may be one of them. I hope is Rubin.
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Why do we need to trade Rubin or Taylor?
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I hope its neither one..But imo it would be Rubin but God forbid someone has any opinion on a message board and not be labeled negative or a bad fan ..I love the moves we've made & hope we're not done 
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Can you please stop with this? Weren't you the one who asked to refrain from hating on people's opinion on previous regimes in order to talk civil? yet you conveniently compare people's opinion to one of them?.....that lasted long.
Fall down laughing, Memphis. But it's you, Spirit, and a couple of others from the old board who are dragging things down. You are making crap up. You have NO IDEA who will be cut. Who can or can't fit into the new scheme.
I did ask you all to stop. You did not. So, here we go again. I will not allow your BS agenda to go w/out recognition. I tried asking you guys nicely, but instead of celebrating a great day for the Browns, you and Spirit turn it into a freaking negative.
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Neither rubin or taylor are going anywhere. If someone just "HAD" to go it probably would be kitchen. We are not getting rid of our two stud NT. They are both big men who can run 8)
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Well we appear to have 6/7 of our front seven under contract for awhile. Excellent move by the FO imo, because I didn't want to go into the draft forced to pick one of the tweeners at 6. If they sign Groves tomorrow that all but guarantees we won't be drafting one which is fine by me as I am a bit underwhelmed.
I really hope we get a quality CB/FS to close out tbe FA so we can enter the draft with no glzring needs (for all the love H&H get that is all we did the past few years is need draft). This way we can go BPA at 6, trade down, or take a gamble on Geno if the FO likes him.
So in short great day for the Browns!
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Concerning the DL, anyone w/a clue about football knows that defensive linemen sub in and out way, way more than any other unit.
Combine that w/the fact that we are going to be attacking more, going after the qb more, and it makes perfect sense to have a deep and talented defensive line.
I think we will be running multiple fronts. 3 man fronts. 4 man fronts. 5 man fronts. And we will have a need for all these guys. The days of a guy playing the entire game at one DL position are long gone, and that is especially true in Horton's scheme.
I applaud the Browns for the two moves they made today.
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Vers, what are you thoughts on the Bryant pickup. I was pretty excited, but I'm a nut for DL. You can't have to many. I see it as adding veterans letting the two young guys Winn and Huges fight for a roster spot. Love the competition Lombardi bought to this group.
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Vers, what are you thoughts on the Bryant pickup. I was pretty excited, but I'm a nut for DL. You can't have to many. I see it as adding veterans letting the two young guys Winn and Huges fight for a roster spot. Love the competition Lombardi bought to this group.
I'm not Vers, but I don't really see either of them fighting for a roster spot. May be we'll draft another D-Lineman, but 6 D-Linemen in the 3-4 isn't too much I don't think. If it is, I think you'll see a battle between Hughes and Kitchen. If we add someone in the draft or have an UDFA really battling, I imagine Kitchen will be the guy to go and we'll roll 6 D-Linemen
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Hey bugs, glad you came over.
Bryant can rush the passer. I think he will be an asset in our attack style defense.
I also think we are going to be rotating guys in and out a lot. We are going to ask for high-motor performances and we need a lot good defensive linemen. I think we keep them all.
I also think we will not be putting guys in one position and keeping them there, circa the 1970s. I think we'll see Taylor at NT on one play, DE on another, and out on another. Same goes for most of the guys, except for maybe Winn and Kitchen.
Additionally, I think we will run multiple fronts. I do NOT think we will be in the 3-4 all of the time. I think Horton wants to keep teams off balance and will mix up his fronts and base defenses. He wants to bring pressure. Has to keep them guessing.
I think all this gnashing of the teeth is BS! We made two good moves today. Our team is now stronger.
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I don't get it. DE - Desmond Bryant NT - Rubin DE - Phil Taylor
Backups John Hughes, Billy Wynn
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DE- Bryant
NT- Taylor
DE- Winn
Goodbye- Rubin.
Where the hell do you guys get this stuff????
Why do you think it's so outrageous?
Because you're talking about trading arguably our best defensive player
Sorry, but I think you're are wrong saying he's "arguably" our best defensive player....particularly after moving to a 3-4.
Man, there's so much bologna I'm seeing that this whole board could eat for a month. You DO realize Rubin has played NT before and played it well, right?
Also, where did Horton say Taylor was a better fit than Rubin for NT? As a matter of fact, Rubin plays a much more disciplined style of football than Taylor. IMO, he's much better suited for the nose.
Also, where did anyone from the coaching staff say they were favoring to start Winn at DE? As I see it now, you have Taylor, Rubin and Bryant starting with Hughes, Winn and Kitchen backing up. That looks awesome to me.
If you think we have too much tied up into the 3 part of the 3-4, I will kindly remind you to reflect upon the last time the Patriots won the Super Bowl. All 3 of their DL were first round picks, two of which were high profile. You can't emphasize enough the importance of the trenches.
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Hey bugs, glad you came over.
Bryant can rush the passer. I think he will be an asset in our attack style defense.
I also think we are going to be rotating guys in and out a lot. We are going to ask for high-motor performances and we need a lot good defensive linemen. I think we keep them all.
I also think we will not be putting guys in one position and keeping them there, circa the 1970s. I think we'll see Taylor at NT on one play, DE on another, and out on another. Same goes for most of the guys, except for maybe Winn and Kitchen.
Additionally, I think we will run multiple fronts. I do NOT think we will be in the 3-4 all of the time. I think Horton wants to keep teams off balance and will mix up his fronts and base defenses. He wants to bring pressure. Has to keep them guessing.
I think all this gnashing of the teeth is BS! We made two good moves today. Our team is now stronger.
Thanks Vers and PeteyDangerous!
I had similar thoughts. I was reading a few media reports saying this sets the Browns up to make a trade! Trade? Why?
I'm unfamiliar with Bryant. Based on what I read I can't see how Oakland let him go. The biggest thing I see is punch-n-mouth guys...no more read-n-react crapola!! It also sets us up for a few more options come draft time.
As for the negative post against...music to my ears. If they are fans of the past regime and dogging these moves, I'm pumped we got to be headed to a better place!!! Cheers!
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This was a pure Lombardi signing and as bad I hate to admit it, it was a good one. Lombardi loved this kid and I think he is going to be a terrific player. I know some are thinking doom and gloom and why are we adding to our strength of DL?
We have the depth to keep the defensive line fresh, while maintaining a higher level of play. Lets face it these big guys like Rubin, Hughes and Taylor are done for at the end of games when they are playing 60% of the snaps. I like the idea of keeping those big guys fresh. They are big hustle guys chasing plays 25 yards down the field, and you must be able to keep their legs fresh to maintain their effectiveness.
Our front 7 was pretty good before we added Kruger and Bryant. Now they are looking damn good.
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Excellent signing, we have a very formiddable young group of defensive lineman. In a pass happy league, pressure will be the equalizer, and it appears we are attempting to create a pressure cooker! I personally think Phil Taylor is gonna be a beast and feel that Sheard will be fine. Jabal lined up in a 2pt stance a lot last year, I think he will transition well. Now lets go get a corner so the draftniks will be scratching more than their heads in trying to figure out who we covet at #6 
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Everyone is freaking out about getting an extra guy meaning we have to cut someone else. It doesn't have to mean that. What it does mean is competition and depth. Something the Browns have been lacking for nearly 15 years now.
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Imo the term "Depth", particularly in the eyes of the players is just a shortened word for "Holy Crap! I better step my play up a notch or 3 or I'll be saying byebye to my $2-$3-$4-$5-$6-$etc mill yearly paycheck".
I def saw it in Rubin's and Phil's play (especially Phil T's) when, while both sitting on the bench for the first part of the 2012 season due to injuries and having to watch Wynn and Hughes have a (imo) real nice start of the season for 2 rookies.
To me, Phil just seemed to have a huge "tude" (as in "Holy Crap, no one's taking my job away) when he finally came in after sitting out the 1st part of the season.
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One thing I do worry about with the beefs of our DL is going up against No Huddle offenses. What are your thoughts on this?
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Concerning the DL, anyone w/a clue about football knows that defensive linemen sub in and out way, way more than any other unit.
Combine that w/the fact that we are going to be attacking more, going after the qb more, and it makes perfect sense to have a deep and talented defensive line.
I think we will be running multiple fronts. 3 man fronts. 4 man fronts. 5 man fronts. And we will have a need for all these guys. The days of a guy playing the entire game at one DL position are long gone, and that is especially true in Horton's scheme.
I applaud the Browns for the two moves they made today.
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I think that it is the same issue as it is with any other defensive line. They gotta deal with it and make a stop.
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I like the signings and feel that this was an overall positive day for the Browns.
FA has seemingly always been a strength of Lombardi. What I, and many others who have reservations about is his drafting record. Hopefully he has improved, and we should all take a step back and wait to react to his efforts until we see the product on the field.
To those people talking about dropping one of our DL, why in the world would we do that?
We have solid starters and good depth at every position on the DL, you stand pat and keep what you have IMO.
DE- Taylor/Winn NT- Rubin/Kitchen/Hughes DE- Bryant/Kitchen/Hughes however that works out. I am very excited about this group and think they should be able to both hold blockers off of the LB and penetrate the line as needed. Given the rate at which DL rotate, it makes no sense to release any of these guys.
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Plus, Farmer's strength was supposed to be on the free agency side of things.
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You don't keep 3 NTs.
3-4 teams normally will have 6-7 DL's on the roster.4 or 5 5-tech,2 NTs.
Oh really?
Pittsburgh's NTs Hampton, Ta'amu, and McLendon
Kansas City's NTs Poe, Toribio, Powe
NY Jets's NTs Pouha, Ellis, Harrison
and a few other teams like Baltimore (Ngata) had guys who could slide over to NT so essentially they had 3.
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One thing I do worry about with the beefs of our DL is going up against No Huddle offenses. What are your thoughts on this?
I think that it is the same issue as it is with any other defensive line. They gotta deal with it and make a stop.
I'm sure in meetings Horton was saying, "I need little guys that can hit...and big guys that can run."
and then they said, "Anything else?"
and Horton says, "Yeah...the big guys can't run very long...so i'll need extra."
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Unless we plan on lining up with three defensive tackles head to head against the Center and two guards with Sheard and Kruger lining up at DE I just don't GET this signing. We needed corner, linebacker, even a 3-4 defensive end....but a TACKLE? We are SWIMMING in them.... They better have a plan. It better be a GOOD one. September is coming, Having 6 Tackles on the roster and no REAL DE's better pay off..... And for those that insist a DT easily moves right on out to 3-4 DE? *cough* Corey Williams *cough* Hell, in an attack 3-4 I see Kruger as a better choice at DE than any tackle on this team. I want an athlete at the DE position. Two guys that can not only stuff the run, but get after the quarterback. JJ Watt is the standard. Of course guys like that are rare. But he's the prototype to strive for. I hope these guys know what they are doing, but I'm scratching my head over this one. Very weird.
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The Ravens had 7 DL on their roster at the end of last year.The Steelers kept 7. On the Ravens, almost every guy was a 300+# guy. The Steelers had most of their DL guys over 300.
I do think that a big part of the reason why we want bigger DL is simply because of the physical division we play in. I suspect that Horton wants quick, big guys to allow his LB corp to really attack the LOS and pocket.
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i agree, its fa people, we pug two holes and fight the fight from the line first... as ive always said.. no matter how pu@@yfied they make the game , you always win in the trenches, o and d line.... this d line stuff is what the ravens, pitt, and ny football giants do, even to the point of having to loose talent every few years, win in the trenches 1st.. another point is, we had to spend this time.. had to why not create a core..help speed up the sometimes 3-4 we will play a bit less than what ever the heck works so far i agree, yeah sure but after one day... just one day of free agency, i think im satisfied.....still need though either fa or draft cb, safety, og, te, another 3-4 lb... but the rest of fa, and the draft i believe these browns are gettin good and the whole rotation thing makes sense... keep em fresh and attack a lot! yeah we have more pressing needs but , this makes sence in the afc north quite a bit and our biggest need was supposedly filled today, olb, freeing up the draft, de is supposed to be plentiful this draft too, but i think, cb is the highest priority left as still are many but i am very hopeful , i like this in general
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Man, Cleveland fans have such a losing mentality.
We make two great signings and the majority of posts are about who we have to cut. So many of you are being negative because of the regime and scheme change. Let it go.
These are two excellent moves. I'm happy.
Exactly, and I'm probably one of the harshest skeptics of this regime, but those 2 signings are very, very good, although we "bought high" on Bryant, but since he's a DL and there probably being some competition for his services, overpaying a little is fine by me....they've signed 2 guys and both were high on my FA wishlist, that'äll get a from me anytime
Whoever it is, Banner, Lombardi or the reputation of the Coaches...they deserve credit for getting this done, good job....hats off from me and hopefully they continue making good moves
We've just added 2 quality HUSTLE players to our front 7 and with this move, barring a trade, we should not look at any DL in the top 4-5 rounds
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Concerning the DL, anyone w/a clue about football knows that defensive linemen sub in and out way, way more than any other unit.
Combine that w/the fact that we are going to be attacking more, going after the qb more, and it makes perfect sense to have a deep and talented defensive line.
I think we will be running multiple fronts. 3 man fronts. 4 man fronts. 5 man fronts. And we will have a need for all these guys. The days of a guy playing the entire game at one DL position are long gone, and that is especially true in Horton's scheme.
I applaud the Browns for the two moves they made today.
These were 2 quality signings at decent prices. Bet Avril gets over 10 a year.
I'm seeing something here that seems to be setting us up for a big move down in the draft.
Lewis's demands for #1 CB money isn't going to fly with us because that money will go to Haden.
I bet we end up with Cason or Munnerlyn as an upgrade to the Nickel Spot and both are capable of filling in as a starter short-term. Drops Skrine to Dime Packages if he even makes this team.
As much as I would creme over Jarvis Jones opposite of Kruger, I gotta say I'm really liking a move like this.
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Xavier Rhodes CB FSU
Matt Elam FS Florida
I also bet TE Brandon Moore is a Brown this week.
AFC North---Baltimore took a serious serious hit this week in losing Boldin/Ray Lewis/Kruger and Ellerbe. And now it looks like Reed is out. That's a major hit to the heart of that team.
Pitt might even be in worse shape with losing Harrison and Hampton, along with Wallace. And if Lewis goes elsewhere, it's even worse.
We just scored 10 more points on Pitt and Baltimore and we didn't even need to run a play.
Cincy never worries me as long as Starvin' Marvin is running that show.
Bottom line---Regardless of how many times you throw the record of this team out there during the Heckert regime. This team is setting itself up for incredible improvement. And you can thank Heckert for getting us into this position, both talent wise and salary cap wise.
Get me Brandon Myers and Cason/Musselyn in FA.
Trade down.
Rhodes and Elam.
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Which one of our DL is trade bait? No one has "final say" over the Browns roster. Banner said that the team will reach decisions by consensus. If there is disagreement among decisions makers (Presumably Lombardi, Banner, and coach Rob Chudzinski), then the team will simply move on to another player. 
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NONE. We need them all.
We just strengthened an already decent group. Noone gets moved unless Horton deems someone not a good fit. And IMO I doubt he sees the big 5 not fitting.
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We still needed a DE to make this hybrid rotation work, as Winn is no 3 down player...I applaud the FO, Horton, Chud...whoever made that call, for seeing this...many fans thought we'd be set at DL and I was saying from day 1 that the switch not only shifted the front 7 need from 43 DE pass rusher to 34 OLB pass rusher, as the "the switch won't be a problem" people on here said, but that it also created a hole on the DL and at ILB, as players like Rucker and Parker, Fort and Robertson weren't fits anymore...the switch created 2 "extra" needs and one has been filled with a good player...but it cost us 7mil/year and 15mil guaranteed and we still have 4mil of dead money from cutting Rucker....many forget that because we have a lot of cap room, but that money would have been worth another starter in FA, don't forget that
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Basically, if you just want to reply to a poster, hit reply and their name will be attached to your post as the person to whom you make the reply. If you want to quote their entire post, hit the quote tab above their post.
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It's simple.. If you wanna reply then hit reply or quote then write what you want to say.
If you just want to post, Hit either the reply to the first post (which can be a bother if it's a long thread) or hit reply to the last post in the thread and start out with one of these
NRTY which means not responding to you (NRTU works also)
Or, JC which means Just Clicking
Then they'll know if you are replying directly to them or not.
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cya Rubin 
One of the two (Rubin or Taylor) is gone. My money is on Rubin as well.
Rubin has played NT..Taylor played the nose in college..I'm not gonna say who's gone but someone is .
They can't carry all the linemen from last year.
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Of course I have no idea whose getting but but I can't have an opinion on message board? Yea, ok. I'm tired of you using "agenda" as a cop out when you disagree with someone. And once more, I LIKE this signing. Is that clear enough? Yeah, it's all agenda. I think with Desmond Bryant's signing it's a clear indication Horton wants to add people who can put pressure on the QB on the defensive line. I think that extends to the NT position as well. I don't think Rubin fits that mold and why I think he may be gone. You don't agree, fine. But don't call it agenda posting.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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Of all the positions the Browns did not need to spend cap space dollars on...the DL was near the top of the list.
The Browns need a CB, S and "possibly" another LBer on the defensive side and WR, TE and "possibly" a stud OG on offense, all before the Browns needed to dump millions on a DLineman.
As much as the Kruger signing makes since, this Bryant signing makes absolutely no sense when it comes to addressing the teams needs.
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