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I have to admit that I like our signings so far though if you look at who we signed, it is a little hard to understand considering we were 10th in total defense and 25th in total offense last year...

I know switching to the 3-4 requires some adjustments and I'm glad we aren't waiting 3 or 4 years to draft all of our 3-4 guys... but is anybody else beginning to wonder if we aren't setting our draft up to go offense, offense, offense? Though we do still need secondary help..

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Wow, that's a GREAT deal considering that Groves was a former 1st round talent who was on a "prove-it" 1year deal and had a solid (for him even "career" season as a pass rusher) season....that's really peanuts and makes this officially another good value signing for me

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It makes the draft easier. They are always backed into a corner because they have to draft for need ..now if they continue to fill the bigger holes now,it opens the draft to do some things.

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It makes the draft easier. They are always backed into a corner because they have to draft for need ..now if they continue to fill the bigger holes now,it opens the draft to do some things.

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I agree all the way. If you head in to a draft having to fill holes, your screwed.

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At least I think this regime saw what we saw. The group from last year had problems stopping the rush. Glad to see the additions. Now I am wanting an OG., and a DB or S.

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I love it. We are actually going after decent players and not sitting on our butts the first days of FA only to pick up a few scraps later on as we have done the last several years.

If nothing else it at least shows we are trying to get better.

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I love it too, but you must have missed the part where "sitting on our butts" made this splash possible by carrying over cap space through unlikely to be earned bonuses and clearing all the dead money of other regimes before

Think about it, if Heckert was still running the show, he would HAVE TO spend the money too this offseason due to the 89% rule, right? We will never know who he would have targeted, but since this "consensus" so far is looking at good players, I won't complain

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I love it too, but you must have missed the part where "sitting on our butts" made this splash possible by carrying over cap space through unlikely to be earned bonuses and clearing all the dead money of other regimes before

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all you can really do is watch and hope it turns out nice because you have to look at it for years......

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It's been a bad neighborhood for a long time.

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if you think Banner/Lombardi is better H& H... you are nuts.

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-jc-

Back-up Depth guy and perhaps an insurance card if Sheard can't play OLB.

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Pretty sure Groves started 7 games last season on the way to his best year statistically. Sheard may or may not stick. Adding Groves gives us some flexibility for the draft.

I like what we've done so far in FA. We needed front seven help big-time and we got a running start with Kruger, Bryant and Groves. I think we're good at the nose. We could still add another DE and/or OLB. Good start!

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RL … was smart enough to swindle a billion out of the current while retaining something like 30% share

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I think you are over simplifying things.

Jauron has a longer resume than Horton..yes, better...debateable.Jauron has made alot of stops along the way but that doesn't prove he is a better DC than Horton.

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RL at least owned it for a decade and was smart enough to swindle a billion out of the current while retaining something like 30% share and making a ton of restrictions. (helmets, colors, relocating the team, ticket prices etc)

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I don't have a issue with the34 .I said years ago when Rac was here it was my favorite scheme as long as it was a attack style and not a read-n-react.
When they brought Horton in it was going to change. The HC likes the 34, and thats what they went to.
However they're filling the biggest holes now which is the smart thing to do. It won't take this D long to get going.

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And as was mentioned, they created their own need in terms of needing depth of 3-4 players.

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Based on what? Kruger?

Because other than him we haven't signed any other legit. starter.

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In the span of less than day, the Cleveland Browns transformed their defensive front seven from a respectable unit into one to be reckoned with.

Cleveland helped kick off the NFL’s free-agent period by signing Paul Kruger away from Baltimore, then helped punctuate Tuesday evening’s activity with the addition of defensive tackle Desmond Bryant.

Both deals are pricey — Kruger at about $8 million per season, Bryant at five years and $34 million. But with those two in place, plus OLB Jabaal Sheard, DE Ahtyba Rubin, NT Phil Taylor, ILB D’Qwell Jackson and either James-Michael Johnson or Chris Gocong at the other ILB spot, Cleveland is set up for a quick transition to the 3-4.

They’re also in prime position to improve on a defense that ranked 23rd in yards allowed and 19th in points last season (not to mention 25th against the pass). All this while Pittsburgh struggles with the salary cap, Baltimore endures a roster migration and Cincinnati plays it relatively low key.

The Browns still have a ways to go before they’re considered an AFC contender, but they made meaningful progress Tuesday.

Bryant had 10.5 sacks over the past three seasons in Oakland. He’s a high-motor guy more than capable of dropping into the Browns’ 3-4 after playing in the Raiders’ 4-3.

Bryant does have a couple of red flags — most notably, his recent arrest on the charge of criminal mischief; he also was hospitalized during a game last year due to an accelerated heartbeat. Still, he rated as the league’s sixth best DT or NT last season, according to Pro Football Focus, above Pro Bowler Henry Melton.

As for Bryant’s contract, the Browns are a bit in the not-all-that-uncommon situation of occasionally having to overpay free agents to come to Cleveland. That’s part of the cost of struggling year after year.

Grade: A-minus. Knock on the money spent here, if you want — and, in the long run, you might be proven right. But Bryant is a terrific get for the Browns as they revamp their D.

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Say we didn't switch to the 3-4, what would we have needed on defense? A pass rushing defensive end, an outside linebacker, a free safety, and a corner (or two).

We didn't stay with the 4-3, so now we need: a pass rushing outside linebacker, a defensive end, a free safety, and a corner (or two).

Am I missing something?

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You're missing quite a bit.

We have some very talented people on our D that produced quite well in the 4-3.

That in no way indicates they will do well in the 3-4.

More often than not, players don't transfer well from one scheme to the other. Just watch how many people we had playing well in the 4-3 that won't produce nearly as well as in the 3-4.

Then you'll get it. Until then, people are so convinced that everyone will just transfer SO WELL!

We'll know very soon......

Reality will bite!

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The board is comprised of 50% homers who rationalize any decision made as the best one possible.

A very vocal 15% who thinks all any Browns front office decision is the wrong one.

And then there are the 35% who try to see things for what they are.

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...and 99% of the posters think they're part of that 35%.

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We have some very talented people on our D that produced quite well in the 4-3.

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The board is comprised of 50% homers who rationalize any decision made as the best one possible.

A very vocal 15% who thinks all any Browns front office decision is the wrong one.

And then there are the 35% who try to see things for what they are.

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...and 99% of the posters think they're part of that 35%.

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The real truth is we were far better suited to run a 4-3. They could have changed philosophy of how to RUN our 4-3 to attack..... But talent wise we were a LOT farther along building a 4-3. They decided to make HUGE holes on this roster. So I don't want to hear excuses that we don't have the players to run it. Come September I expect to see a top notch defense.

They can sign ten more defensive tackles. Fine with me. They seem to be collecting them for some strange reason. But I better see wins come September.....

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And obviously they are collecting them because we didn't have what they needed for the 3-4.

But people seem to eat up everything this FO feeds them and are being spoon fed garbage. Hope it tastes good to them.

Like you, if we were just as close or closer to the 3-4 as we were the 4-3, then with these FA signings, I won't accept ANY excuses on D this year.

But we will see all of the excuse makers coming forward if that doesn't happen.

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You would agree that there is a non-zero chance that Sheard can play outside linebacker in the 3-4, right?

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Like you, if we were just as close or closer to the 3-4 as we were the 4-3, then with these FA signings, I won't accept ANY excuses on D this year.

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Like you, if we were just as close or closer to the 3-4 as we were the 4-3, then with these FA signings, I won't accept ANY excuses on D this year.

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