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I remember in 2011 David Nelson came on strong for Buffalo but then got hurt early in the season last year. If he is 100% healthy he could really help our receiving core. I'm excited about this pickup because he adds size and some much needed depth. I feel a little bit safer with our receivers now, more so than I do with our tightends. I still wouldn't mind signing someone like Julian Edelman.
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Browns | David Nelson injury update
Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:53:48 -0700
Cleveland Browns WR David Nelson (knee) said with the way he is progressing, he is hoping to be a full go for organized team activities. Nelson suffered a season-ending knee injury in Week 1 of 2012.
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Fans have to remember ,it's not the first year after the inury a player returns full strength and trusts the knee,it's the second year ..look at Hardesty now rather than when he first came back.
Yep, we need to temper expectations. I'm not sure if David Nelson took HGH like Adrian Peterson probably (obviously) did and RG3 is probably taking. It was obvious Hardesty didn't take it prior to his 1st year back. He looked like a completely different player then he did the year prior.
It will be interesting, as each ACL tear is different from player to player. One thing that isn't encouraging is that Buffalo gave up on him. Its a calculated gamble by the Browns FO that will hopefully be a positive move.
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Five wide, anyone? Gordon, Little, Nelson, Benjamin & Norwood. Big and Fast rain of hell. 
Interestig concept, but where is Cameron?
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Yep, we need to temper expectations. I'm not sure if David Nelson took HGH like Adrian Peterson probably (obviously) did and RG3 is probably taking. It was obvious Hardesty didn't take it prior to his 1st year back. He looked like a completely different player then he did the year prior.
This is all based on what?
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ACL is always troubling. But Nelson wasn't a speed and sizzle guy. Would worry me more if this was a Santonio Holmes or Mike Wallace type.
His strength is supposed to be hands and possession. If he's got enough health to get open, he should be able to use that frame as a red zone/short yardage mismatch guy. And that's worth a 1 year deal.
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Five wide, anyone? Gordon, Little, Nelson, Benjamin & Norwood. Big and Fast rain of hell.
Interestig concept, but where is Cameron?
Substitute Cameron for Benjamin or Norwood if you want more Big and less Fast. Our how about this huge four wide set: Gordon, Little, Nelson & Cameron? Or a big set with some speed to get behind the D: Gordon, Little, Nelson & Benjamin? 
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As long as Ozzie doesn't replace what he's losing back in his hey day of great picks. He'll HAVE TO LIVE by the FA market till they go into a total tear n rebuild.
If you got your QB it will be a 3 year thing usually.
Yes the Ravens are The defending Champions so they went for the BAND AIDS n we did not. We actually were told this by Banner as in our up coming strategy with the draft.
Was not discussing Banner/Lombardi was better. Was stating that the idolized Ozzie gets rid of old pieces. Yes, Reed is in decline but he'll always be better than Huff...lol  Btw you do realized Ozzie tried to get Reed - not positive I could have sworn they offered more than what the Texans offered??? not sure could have sworn I read it or heard it...but it could have been a What IF case on NFL network???
Yes, you play to Win the game...but you cannot fix with Band-Aids when you need Surgery...we are still in that surgery stage. So although we play to win the games...we are not doing things for us to lose...who is to say a bevy of out of prime talent will make us Better or that much better than having youngsters take the wheel...I'd rather see what Winn, Taylor n Bryant can do at DE then sign Canty n Spears. All though I did like Canty better than Spears at 3/4 DE.
And Ozzie is no dunce...I hope you realize I was not comparing the two in prowess just that Ozzie gets rid of an aging HOF safety (who he still wanted back over HUFF) n right away he is a genius while we are dunces for getting rid of Watson.
Note even you are justifying Ozzie's genius by how brilliant it was letting Reed go...He tried to sign Reed back before he "SETTLED" on Huff. In past threads I stated...what? you expect Ozzie to sit back n cry - he will do what he can to be competitive cause soon there will have to be a pretty big rebuild.
The drafts have not been that great...not yeckk or anything but lets face it Losing some HOF n not replacing them...Thought he had one in Ellerbe but a rare miscalculation by Ozzie as they lost him.
You are only as good as your last 5 drafts especially rounds 1 n 2.
(08) Flacco n Rice good draft history shows Rice days are numbered.
(09) Oher n Kruger (Oher not the Blind side guy they all thought) Kruger well he's ours 
(10) Kindle n Cody not really knocking any doors down oh oh Oz...losing his touch?
(11) Jimmy Smith not a starter  Torrey Smith probably Oz's best WR pick as he had some duds...but how good will he be with Boldin gone???
(12) Upshaw...ooops pushed back to backup status. Osemele? high OT pick but looks to be OK at OG.
Got news for you 09-2012 Oz has not faired that well. Kruger on his better picks is with us. Ogden to Oher? Rayray to ??? Reed to ???
You cannot replace these guys from FA Markets. Just cannot. The wonderful Oz has not done that well in the draft of late. It will catch up 
Just saying...he ain't perfect. Meanwhile the entire gyst was he too gets rid of older talent. Also if he continued to hit Home Runs in his draft possibly he wouldn't have to get the FAs he went for this year.
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As long as Ozzie doesn't replace what he's losing back in his hey day of great picks. He'll HAVE TO LIVE by the FA market till they go into a total tear n rebuild.
See, here's where I disagree, as it depends. You will never have dead money, if the guys you signed are still good enought to play. If Huff, Canty and Spears have 2 years as starters in them left, it will have next to no future cap rammifications...as Ozzie would get production out of the money they pay these players.
We have way more future cap problems than Ozzie if Kruger or Bryant blow out their knee in year one, as we gave them more years and more signing bonus that can turn into accelerated cap hits in a worst case scenario. All those little 2-3 year deal Ozzie has done are pretty low risk actually
That's my point and problem, why we don't go after similar deals?....the "oh, oh future cap hit"-fear to apologize for doing nothing just is not true as I've explained above....it's either a choice of talent evaluation (meaning they don't have a clue if they think Rhodes and Dansby are NOT upgrades over what we have now) OR general philosophy (not to sign vets, re-build thinking etc)...and I'd disagree with both, that's why I don't get their approach. Only thing that makes sense is that they're in a total re-build mode since they just took over, but as a fan and gone through that the past 2-3 seasons, I dont think that's an accurate assessment of the roster at hand....we need competent, veteran starters NOW to complement a decent foundation of young NFL starting players....we do NOT need more youth imho
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I agree with you specifically on Rhodes and Dansby and also the larger point that if we are truly striving to compete for the playoffs this season, then these short contracts for veteran upgrades are moves we should be making.
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That's my point and problem, why we don't go after similar deals?
I'll go on the limb here...possibly cause those similar Deals just are not available to us.
Look I'm a FA n think I'm pretty valuable...HUH Nobody flashing money??? Ok...Ravens n Browns (for argument sake) offering me a SHOW ME CONTRACT so I can re-hit the market next year. Do I take the SIMILAR DEAL with the team who won the SB last year or do I take it with the Browns who has made it into the playoffs ONE SEASON n that was 11 years ago. Obviously if he plays well n gets the team deep into the playoffs his FA market might be a lot higher than somewhere else.
Or even the 2 year contract maybe the best deal around n the Browns have Something SIMILAR but you know what I've got 2 more years in me. I want a shot at the Championship Ring...Ravens??? or Browns???
Maybe we just are not in the position with NFL Players to make a sweet Interim deal while they look in the future for better deals or looking for one last hoorah n will try to get to a LeBron Wade type of environment.
Worst case??? No Ding Dongs - Ya mean it would totally suck if Our Two Big time investments Blow out their knees...gee thanks if that happens you know we all will be looking for you n it won't be pretty
But as far as the Cap Trouble - really we would be??? We got around 30 mil available for next season. Ravens??? And if career threatening injuries I think we can Negotiate a buy out??? not sure on the CBA stuff covering that. But I fail to see how this has us in worse cap trouble as the Ravens. Oh btw...Flacco blew his knee out - Dumerville too...Whose worse off since we can play this PRETEND happening game. Yeah IF the two biggest contracts we got besides Jot T...got scratched cause of Injuries....well that can only count if you do it for the other Team too. You can't make up a pretend situation like that n put it out there as some FACTUAL Occurance that will make me go
 Oh my goodness I never thought of it like that...We are in Terrible shape.
Come on dawg...Really?!?! 
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Yep, we need to temper expectations. I'm not sure if David Nelson took HGH like Adrian Peterson probably (obviously) did and RG3 is probably taking. It was obvious Hardesty didn't take it prior to his 1st year back. He looked like a completely different player then he did the year prior.
This is all based on what?
Nothing concrete really, just my opinion. It kind of raises a red flag when someone is coming close to breaking NFL all time rushing records coming off an ACL tear. But many people would prefer to just say "He's a physical freak" and look the other way.
And per reports RG3 is "ahead of schedule" in his recovery.
Of course, the NFL doesn't have a true HGH testing policy in place so I guess you can't completely blame players for using it with millions of dollars on the line. I guess though you can blame the NFLPA & the NFL for failing to agree on a testing policy.
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As for your first argument: Mario Williams went to Buffalo...money rules. Pay them and they'll be happy Browns...and Dansby, Rhodes or Moore aren't exactly Mario Williams
As for cap hell: I never said we'd be in cap hell, I said we'd eat more dead cap money than Ozzie on his deals because of the structure of the deals. It was just to counter your argument that those deals Ozzie made were in some shape or fashion "coming back to haunt him", which simply is extremely unlikely because of the structure and signing bonus involved
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As long as Ozzie doesn't replace what he's losing back in his hey day of great picks. He'll HAVE TO LIVE by the FA market till they go into a total tear n rebuild.
See, here's where I disagree, as it depends. You will never have dead money, if the guys you signed are still good enought to play. If Huff, Canty and Spears have 2 years as starters in them left, it will have next to no future cap rammifications...as Ozzie would get production out of the money they pay these players.
We have way more future cap problems than Ozzie if Kruger or Bryant blow out their knee in year one, as we gave them more years and more signing bonus that can turn into accelerated cap hits in a worst case scenario. All those little 2-3 year deal Ozzie has done are pretty low risk actually
That's my point and problem, why we don't go after similar deals?....the "oh, oh future cap hit"-fear to apologize for doing nothing just is not true as I've explained above....it's either a choice of talent evaluation (meaning they don't have a clue if they think Rhodes and Dansby are NOT upgrades over what we have now) OR general philosophy (not to sign vets, re-build thinking etc)...and I'd disagree with both, that's why I don't get their approach. Only thing that makes sense is that they're in a total re-build mode since they just took over, but as a fan and gone through that the past 2-3 seasons, I dont think that's an accurate assessment of the roster at hand....we need competent, veteran starters NOW to complement a decent foundation of young NFL starting players....we do NOT need more youth imho
My thought is they went through and targeted their main players..then they stopped and then picked up some more stop gaps.
Now after the draft ,we should see add more to the roster. But what they really want to do is build through the draft..
I am annoyed they let some FA CB's slip through but now they've got to get some DBs in the draft..I heard they really really wanted Grimes..remember they offered him a two year deal instead of one. He was to be a core piece of the defense.
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As for your first argument: Mario Williams went to Buffalo
Gee I could have sworn we were talking about key veteran 1 year contracts n I went over those dynamics with you regarding the signing cause the reward after 1 year is more attractive from a team going deep in the playoffs. Also given is possibly the last chance contract...might as well play for 2-4mil but I want that ring. or play for 2-4 mil w/Browns. Then you come up Mario Williams...ok that is correct it is possible to win the bigger names. btw Kruger was the biggest pass rusher name out there...we got him n Bryant had some competition for his contract n we won. So what does that have to do with the contracts being spoken about???
Nah..we made big time signings...I see Flacco n Dummerville as the only Big contracts n I don't know the dynamics of Dummerville just assuming it was decent money.
You lose both of them to injury oops dead money. you are going to take the small low contracts that I'm sure playing for the Ravens were an issue...to play for us the pay would be higher n we evidently didn't wish to go there. Especially with Band Aids or guys that were over their prime. Banner stated that before the start of FAgency.
So still confused what you are trying to say? Mario Williams a fact that has nothing to do with the dicussion at hand.
Dead money missed that - I have no clue of the details of the contracts just that we signed two pretty big contracts long term - not sure the length of Dummerville but were any of the contracts longer than 2 years??? If so how long.
I can assume the longer the contracts has more guaranteed money so more dead money...so their FA pickups were of shorter contracts than our two big ones. Also less guarantee money cause it was of the year. So you go n take these two big FA access we had n INJURE them n come up with you know they would have more dead money than all their FA...well If Flacco in turn Got career injured they would have more Dead money....So guess what I WIN THE WHAT IF PRETEND THING...lol
Again...I respect n would only wish Ozzie was our guys since 1999. Just he might be getting a tad stale of late. Mostly cause they have not fared well in the draft...something we know ALL TOO WELL.
Again something I will always thank Heckert for cause I think he put together 3 decent drafts. 2010 was not a strong draft. But we did well. 2012 was a pretty strong draft one of the best in depth for quite a while n we did great (I think 15 made our roster last year?)
But this was just 3 years...2 more to go...this draft is not that strong...some strength in some areas but overall not that strong. Possibly no QB or WR in the top 15 picks...don't know the last time that ever happened???
So hopefully we will get one or two solid guys from this draft. Missing 2nd round pick hurts. Last missing 2nd rounder was 08 won of our worst drafts EVER...No 1, 2, 3 rounds n busts I think after except for Rubin??? was he there.
All on memory so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Ozzie, through necessity, took risks with his first 2 signings. Each guy has been decent, though far from spectacular in his career. Each guy is older. Each has some injury concerns.
Dumervil needed an injury clause that insured that he would be paid if he got hurt before he would sign, from what I have read.
If we look at the top 3 guys the Browns signed, and the top 3 the Ravens signed, it's more likely that the Ravens lose time from their players to injury.
The Browns did a nice job structuring their deals so they are "cap flat". If the Browns have to cut Bryant and/or Kruger in years 3, 4, or 5, they will actually add cap space. (though they would cost Haslam in guaranteed money) The rest of the Browns deals, IIRC, are 1 or 2 year deals.
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Are you ever going to stop crying? Sheesh man. We haven't had the draft yet. We haven't played a game yet. We haven't went through a season yet. We haven't went through 2 seasons yet. We haven't went through 3 seasons yet. H and H had 3 seasons. We did not improve by even a freaking game and all I hear from guys like you, mac, and Pit is cry, cry, cry. And stop w/the BS "getting cute" crap. It doesn't even make sense. It's like you want this regime to fail, so you can say........"I told you so." Not that you've ever been known to do that in the past. 
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Talking football again, huh Vers? Anyway, we had this conversation before. I didn't trash the FO for things to come, that remains to be seen. I assess them for what they've done so far and imho they could have done more with regards to DB the consequence of your post would be that we should not talk/argue/applaud/criticize about anything they do/not do for the next 2-3 years....might as well shut the board down and link to the standings page at nfl.com then, right? The fun part though is that you agree with pretty much everything I wrote in here....needing a DB, seeing the signs of a rebuild and not wanting to go through that again....you said so yourself multiple times. Yet, here you are playing bully anyway...have a nice day Vers 
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Like you and everybody else, I wanted another CB. The Browns wanted another QB. We targeted Grimes. Apparently it was a pretty good offer because he kept us on the string a long time, but in the end took another offer.
So unlike you, I am not going to say we could have done more. Maybe we did all we could. That is unless you are talking about throwing a few million more at the guy.
There are a lot of good corners to be had in this draft. Let's see how it pans out after that. There are also some free agents still on the markrt. Once the draft happens, it is bargain time.
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When he visited here...he was not signed right away cause we were checking him out medically.
Another signing of a young FA - btw...anyone else thinks Chud might have his JJ???
Another good signing JMHO
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I think the healing has more to do with the individual than who did the operation.
I have had nine knee surgeries the last two I had them both replaced. I assure you that it is both that matters. The doctor as well as the patient I assure you!
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I'm not going to argue with the voice of experience. But at the NFL level the surgeons they use are all the best of the best. You or I might run into a hack but that's very unlikely at that level.
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Like you and everybody else, I wanted another CB. The Browns wanted another QB. We targeted Grimes. Apparently it was a pretty good offer because he kept us on the string a long time, but in the end took another offer.
So unlike you, I am not going to say we could have done more. Maybe we did all we could. That is unless you are talking about throwing a few million more at the guy.
There are a lot of good corners to be had in this draft. Let's see how it pans out after that. There are also some free agents still on the markrt. Once the draft happens, it is bargain time.
I hinted on what I thought happened..the way the lower tier guys signed early caught them off guard.
Now after Grimes went south ,I will say they have turned their priority to the draft..I'm not saying this as a guess, if U know what I mean.
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And yet there we have Banner going to get Campbell in FA n he is 31. So for the right reasons he is willing to break the "RULE"
I'm guessing Chud and Norv Turner sat Banner down and told him there were not any 20 something veteran QBs they would be willing to work with.
Then there is Campbell's age in terms of NFL play...Campbell is an 8 yr veteran who has only played 4 full seasons...starting 12 to 16 games during those 4 yrs. In 2005 Campbell did not play at all...2006 he started 7 games...2011 he started 6 games and in 2012 he started 1 game.
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As for Ozzie...we all love Ozzie n he is a good GM - but he did let a HOF Safety walk all in the name of AGE?
EO...Did Ozzie cut Ed Reed lose at age 30 or 31 or 32?
Did Ozzie let Reed go because of some idiotic bean counter rule, that players 30 and older are not worth resigning?
Ed Reed was 34 yrs old and talked about not playing at all in 2012 or possibly retiring. Reed's injury history is significant, with a nerve impingement in his neck..torn shoulder labrum..a surgically repaired hip from a few years ago..and Reed said he played through sprained medial collateral ligaments in both knees during the playoffs and Super Bowl.
The point is, Ozzie did not rely on one crazy rule based on the player's age. Ozzie looked at the entire picture...the Raven's cap, the player's health and knew it was time to let Reed pursue his future elsewhere.
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Urlacher walk, many AGED players are being let loose because of AGE - and quite frankly these guys got a heck of a lot of game than the ones we just let loose. Parker hmmmm or Freeney - All teams are getting younger. Not just us.
Urlacher's situation is nearly identical to Ed Reed's...he is 34 years old, not 30,31 or 32. A veteran MLB of 12 seasons with a lot of miles on his body. Knee surgeries, neck surgery, wrist surgery, back issues are among his health issues.
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Banner w/Eagles you question their work not being successful cause they didn't win it ALL. They were in the NFC championship what seemed like every year n In the playoffs at the least. Better than the Marty Run with Kosar.
What was Banner's role during the Eagles glory years?
He was a good bean counter who used his power over player's contract negotiations to get rid of veteran players that Banner felt should not be on the roster...some of those veteran players that Andy Reid wanted to keep. Banner and Reid were engaged in a power struggle for control of the team's roster, which Banner lost in 2012, leading to his being relieved of his duties.
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Your research on Banner - weather correct or not I thought it was cool that he admitted to making mistakes. Guess he ain't this TYRANT some wish to make him out to be - one clue Tyrants don't admit mistakes.
Oh n people do get better by ADMITTING to their mistakes...that means they Learned. Not admitting means they didn't learn squat
Banner's admission to making mistakes by not resigning some the Eagle veterans only came "after" he lost the power struggle with Andy Reid and was demoted to the strategic adviser to team owner, Jeff Lurie.
...you might say, too little, too late !
Thanks to Jimmy Haslam, Banner now has what he wanted to achieve in his power struggle with Andy Reid...total control of the football side of the franchise. My concern is that instead of learning from his mistakes in Philly, Banner, with his ultimate and unchallenged power will repeat the mistakes he made in Philly.
How a franchise treats their veteran players does matter. Allowing Phil Dawson to leave without even offering him a contract was disrespectful of Banner, Haslam and the Cleveland Browns. Phil Dawson was not a broken down old veteran running out of gas...he was coming off his best year. The only thanks Haslam and Banner gave Dawson for all his years kicking for the Browns, was a kick in the teeth.
How a franchise treats it's players, does matter...especially the veteran players.
Banner's history is no secret to the players or their agents. Banner is seen as someone who is cold, unappreciable and disrespectful to his own veteran players. I have little doubt Banner's reputation is an issue that is considered by free agents players and their agents, when Cleveland is mentioned as a possible location to play.
I hoped that Banner would recognize his own faults and move to correct them...but I see nothing that makes me believe he intends to change.
As for Haslam, I hoped he would recognize Banner's limits and attempt to keep him in check. But Haslam has become just another absentee owner who has more pressing concerns than Joe Banner or the Cleveland Browns.
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I hinted on what I thought happened..the way the lower tier guys signed early caught them off guard.
Now after Grimes went south ,I will say they have turned their priority to the draft..I'm not saying this as a guess, if U know what I mean.
I don't even know if it would be called off guard. You can only have so many irons in the fire at one time if you are serious about closing deals. So yep, the Captain Mudderlands of the league signed elsewhere before we could take the time to talk.
We had a good shot at Grimes. It didn't work out....that's just the way it goes sometimes.
I agree. The focus is now the draft. Talking to the prospects, adjusting the board as needed, talking to teams about possible trades. Then for a few days after it is looking for the scraps we want from the undrafted players. Then you go back and look at the vets who by that time are pretty eager to find a team.
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As for Haslam, I hoped he would recognize Banner's limits and attempt to keep him in check. But Haslam has become just another absentee owner who has more pressing concerns than Joe Banner or the Cleveland Browns.
I read he was just there for some of the interviews over the last several days.
What exactly is it you want Haslam to do? You complain he is a absentee owner but never express what it is you would like him to do while in Berea. Surely you don't want him following Banner around all day long, keeping him in check....whatever that means.
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I don't even know if it would be called off guard. You can only have so many irons in the fire at one time if you are serious about closing deals. So yep, the Captain Mudderlands of the league signed elsewhere before we could take the time to talk.
Banner admitted in a interview they were a bit surprised by the speed of the signings...I think Captain Morgan and Toller were two CB's they wanted..they really wanted Grimes.
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I'm not too upset about Grimes. I'd have preferred us going after one of the healthy CBs anyhow. David Nelson is also coming off an injury, but I don't see WR as nearly a big of a need.
I am glad they signed the other 2 cornerbacks to 1 year deals. Puts some competition out there and gives us some backup plan. Would like to see the same at safety before the draft.
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I am only going to make one comment on your age rant. In my mind, at least, there is a big difference between resigning/releasing a player already on your roster vs signing/not signing a free agent. We don't want to sign old over priced players. I don't have a problem with that. Too many teams overpay for players who underproduce. By far, the over 30 FA is the most likely to produce those results. We have not been releasing players on our team who are productive but over 30.
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Banner was just a bean-counter...no good at personnel...the cause of players not signing here...Haslam is an absentee owner...blah blah blah 
It's a tired, broken record.
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Banner was just a bean-counter...no good at personnel...the cause of players not signing here...Haslam is an absentee owner...blah blah blah
It's a tired, broken record.
Especially since it can't be substantiated with hard cold facts,, Just conjecture and supposition.
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Banner was just a bean-counter...no good at personnel...the cause of players not signing here...Haslam is an absentee owner...blah blah blah
It's a tired, broken record.
I guess it's all about who it's said about and who is saying it. I mean I guess timing is everything because if you change the names to protect the innocent, it doesn't sound much different than the record you were playing not so long ago. Only it was about a group with a much better pedigree coming into the FO positions.
You just don't like the sound of this record when someone other than you is playing it.
As for the Nelson signing, I like it. When you look at his percentage of targets caught alone it's much higher than Momass. He's a bigger target with better hands and I do think Momass is a bit shell shocked.
I consider it an upgrade at the WR position and would say the money wouldn't be much different.
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I don't even know if it would be called off guard. You can only have so many irons in the fire at one time if you are serious about closing deals. So yep, the Captain Mudderlands of the league signed elsewhere before we could take the time to talk.
Banner admitted in a interview they were a bit surprised by the speed of the signings...I think Captain Morgan and Toller were two CB's they wanted..they really wanted Grimes.
well we have no real choice but to draft a cb now...i would love to trade back and get Rhodes...problem is you can move back that far. If the bucs dont get revies there is no doubt in my mind they will pounce on rhodes
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Banner was just a bean-counter...no good at personnel...the cause of players not signing here...Haslam is an absentee owner...blah blah blah
It's a tired, broken record.
Especially since it can't be substantiated with hard cold facts,, Just conjecture and supposition.
Keep in mind, It's not like I'm the only one pointing out that Haslam has become the next Randy Lerner...an absentee owner. I will simply post one story, rather than the many stories that touched on the subject of our new absentee owner.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~New Browns owner returns to his former job~~~~~~~~~~~
Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2013, 11:22 AM EDT
Former Browns owner Randy Lerner was criticized for being an absentee landlord. New Browns owner Jimmy Haslam suddenly is, well, an absentee landlord.
Six months after stepping down as CEO of Pilot Flying J, Haslam has returned, according to the Knoxville News Sentinel. Haslam replaces former PepsiCo president John Compton, who will remain as a strategic adviser. (Which could mean he’ll eventually fade away quietly in lieu of being publicly poop-canned now.)
Still, Haslam is saying, “It’s not him, it’s me.” Sort of.
“This is about me realizing my first love is running Pilot Flying J and wanting to return to that job,” Haslam said.
In a statement released to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, spokesman Neal Gulkis said of Haslam’s move, “It’s not going to affect his involvement with the team nor is it going to have any impact on the operations of the Browns.”
As a practical matter, however, the move nudges CEO Joe Banner into the Mike Holmgren role. With Haslam out of the picture on a day-to-day basis and ensconced in the family business that helped him earn the money to buy the Browns, Banner is now the lead dog in the Dawg Pound.
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Interesting point Florio makes about Banner now being nudged into the role that Holmgren filled for Lerner... as "acting owner".
But there is a difference...Holmgren came from the football side as a player (QB) in HS, College and was drafted by the NFL...and he coached at the HS, College and Pro the level and was the Seahawks GM for 4 yrs.
...Joe Banner's background is "business" and he learned the business side of the NFL becoming known as one of the best "businessmen" in football. But Joe Banner not only lacks a background in football...he has "never" been in charge of the football side of a team, at any level...until now.
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Interesting point Florio makes about Banner now being nudged into the role that Holmgren filled for Lerner... as "acting owner".
But there is a difference...Holmgren came from the football side as a player (QB) in HS, College and was drafted by the NFL...and he coached at the HS, College and Pro the level and was the Seahawks GM for 4 yrs.
Banner has years of experience as a team president---and for a team that was a perennial playoff team. The Big Show dabbled some as a GM, where he was terrible and asked to step-down from the position. The Big Show had no experience as a team president. Zero! He was a colossal failure in Cleveland. The guy took vacations to Arizona DURING the season. He was a fat slob who collected a paycheck. Banner, on the other hand, won't be taking vacations. He is going to work his butt off.
So yeah, there is a big difference between the two.
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Did the Bears let Urlacher go simply because he is 30/31/32 yrs old?...NO !
Ummm Yeah...oh wait I see you want those exact ages to make it a yes...lol btw not one player we let go ever made it to a Pro-Bowl...the both in question in this discussion Urlacher n Reed...were multiple Pro-Bowlers n definite possible HOFer.
Both were let go specifically cause of age n out of their prime.
So you fault Banner for letting go 30+ guys needing a 2nd contract WHO DID NOTHING REMOTELY TO PRO BOWL play.
hehehe...as I gave a perfect example of Need over riding your theory that Banner will not have a 30+ player to add in FA as a "RULE" - instead of saying...Ok there is one example you just wished he would of made more...NAH you make up some total nonsense how Chud n Norv had to sit Banner down n convince him...
I also love the way All that was wrong in PHILLY was Banner's fault. ALL that was Good, well obviously Reid n Banner had nothing to do with it....just amazing.
He admitted to what...I would love to read those quotes from him just to get the correct gist...not that you would bend what was said to meet your Opinion...sorry dawg - trust me if I read it I'll say you were correct that Banner admitted what mistake about what.
Unchallenged Power will have him make repeat mistakes??? What about the personnel mistakes that just didn't work out? That according to you were all Reid's decisions. That had nothing to do with the demise of the Eagles?
Oh wait I forgot Reid made only the good choices...all the ones that were bad obviously were Banner's lol again just unbelievable.
How a team treats their veterans...Cribbs btw was the only "OUR" veterans which were brought here as Rookies.
Without a doubt 99% of Browns Fans are upset with the Dawson thing. We did not offer him a contract...he was seeking a 3 year contract - NONE were offered. He actually has a mental time frame of when he wishes to retire...just guessing but I think it will probably be like 8th or 9th grade of his oldest to play HS sports n stuff???
All I know is 2015 was his target - I Assume he would look to retire at that point.
So we did not offer him that 3 year contract...Banner is an idiot???
But lest you forget in 2012 Dawson was seeking a 4 year contract with that same 2015 last season target...none OFFERED!
But lest you forget in 2011 Dawson was seeking a 5 year contract with that same 2015 last season target...none Offered
So I do blame Banner but I also Blame Heckert just as well n we had the Cap Room in all occasions!
And you are so full of it MAC...Oz is a genius for DISRESPECTING a what 9 time Pro-Bowler??? By letting him go. But Banner is an sleeze for letting our One Time Pro-Bowler go. Bears are legitimized for the treatment of Urlacher...while we are villified for disrespecting who? Cribbs...Maiava? not over 30....You mean its not an age thing all the time - talent vs. age is also in consideration???
Come on man how can you remotely talk about a team showing Disrespect to our Veteran player (a kicker all be it a good one) n then state how that is not the same with Ravens n Bears...I think its worse they gave to their teams...far far more than Dawson did.
It might not be a good marriage Banner/Lombardi. But you are making up your scenarios n putting meaning to it which has nothing to do with a history. What is it Mac...in Philly did Banner have final Say or didn't he??? You cannot have it all one way...his final say only counted in the Bad Stuff... What the Heck is That???
Yep...its Banner's fault we don't sign FA cause of his Rep...not the Browns REP...come on dawg REALLY???
Keep in mind...I was a BIG BIG fan in the work that Heckert did. It was the only good influence from the last 3 years.
I have been very skeptical of Banner n especially Lombardi. But after the first 24 hours I collected myself and stopped the bashing n tried to look at it objectively.
Slowly they have won me over. Team Banner/Lombardi n yes I hope they listen to Chud.
But he stated his FA plan...Haslam agreed with the plan n stated also as Banner is not a spokesman...n Lombardi is pretty much locked up in the LAB (Egor or is that Igor? ) but it was spelled out for us...and you know what - we have KEPT TO THE PLAN. I did not hear you or others complaining then...but now its I would want this guy n that guy to try to make this over priced FA team with pieces that probably won't work well together in REAL FOOTBALL but looks good on PAPER FOOTBALL.
I see little wrong. You of course will drive that Dawson (only leg you got to stand on) to the optimum but Heckert the guy I really respect also let us down just as well!
We were told...no aging Band Aids...just Dawgs who were young n worth the Investment to fill some holes. Basically Bryant n Kruger this year. Along with a lot of Satellite 2nd tier FAs to relieve us of Urgent need going into the draft...every where except possibly FS.
Banner also spelled out his plan of not spending all the Cap Room now he wished to spread the bulk of the room between this year n Next - so there will be a rotation in the future of Cap Space gained. And so that all don't hit the fan so to speak at the same time.
Anyway Mac, no way I know for sure. But I was very true to my words. I was Crazy mad but I said mostly my depression/anger/total distrust was due to the fact I have not seen the plan enfold.
Then came Chud Attack O n D. Norv n Horton. FA market with solid acquisitions
I have liked all the moves except for letting Dawson go. But as things are not a big deal unless we are in the playoffs regularly n this prevents us from moving on. I'll have to wait for us to be competitive first before I lament the decision.
I like even the new acquisition of Dion Lewis...this kid is a perfect piece to our puzzle n we gave up nothing much.
So far I have been much more impressed n I was as Leery as the next Dawg here!
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PFT David Nelson expected to be healthy in time for training camp Posted by Curtis Crabtree on April 17, 2013, 1:37 AM EDT AP New Cleveland Browns wide receiver David Nelson played in just one game for the Buffalo Bills last season before an ACL tear ended his year. According to Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal, Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski said Nelson is currently rehabbing his knee and is expected to be ready in time for training camp in July. Nelson signed with the Browns earlier this month. He was non-tendered by the Bills which allowed him to become an unrestricted free agent. While he only played one game last year, Nelson started 13 games for the Bills in 2011 and caught 61 passes for 658 yards and five touchdowns for the Bills.
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So how did they give him a physical then? Or did he fail it and they signed him anyway on a crossing of the fingers ordeal?
Something doesn't add up right for me.
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