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I agree that 7-4 is a pretty good road trip, but the Indians sure do have a way of pooping the bed at the worst time.

Tribe announces only single seats and SRO remain for tonight's game. Wish it didn't take fireworks and dollar dogs, combined with a winning team, for that to happen.

Ugh, not a good sign when your #1 starter gets beat by their #4 starter. Remaining matchups for the series:

Anibel Sanchez vs Carlos Carrasco
Doug Fister vs Corey Kluber
Max Scherzer vs Scott Kazmir

Double-ugh. Indians need to find a way to win 2 of the 3 to salvage a split.

Don't be holdin your breath !

yeah pretty much over for the season unless we get pitching help. Detroit is in a different class than us, we can't beat any decent team with the pitching we have. Getting destroyed by detroit 2 straight games..I don't see how we are going to compete with them with the scrubs we have in our pen and starting rotation. And of course bats have turned to ice.

well i did say unless we trade for some pitching...which is true, if we stay as we are..yeah, pretty much over. We have 3 guys in starting rotation that have no business being up here, the rest are suspect sans masterson and he's been up and down.

Really good outing for Kluber again today. He has been throwing strikes and been pretty consistent for us over the last month. Unfortunately, the bull pen looks like they are determined to lose it for him Smith and Pestano stink!
And did I mention Pestano stinks!!! Three run homer on a crappy breaking ball up in the zone means no decision for Kluber

Ugh.

Man, I wonder if Pestano must be hurt or something, because the bottom has just fallen out for him. He was so good the last 2 years, and has been so bad lately.

I don't know. Maybe he is, but it doesn't help when you get behind 2-0 or 3-0 to some of the better Detroit hitters (or any other team, for that matter). It's a shame that the bull pen has cost Kluber a couple of decisions this year. If Pestano is hurt, we really need to start looking for some pitching before the deadline!!

At least we managed to out 3 on the board in the bottom of the 8th for the win.

Agreed. I guess it's a good thing the Tigers' bull pen wanted to suck more than ours today!

I think his arm is exhausted from the WBC. He's throwing 92, which isn't that far under his average. However, he has absolutely no movement on his pitches right now. They're Jason Davis-flat.

The Tigers pen is worse than the Indians....we have to score 7 or more runs to win a game. I think we have more trade bait to get some decent relief by the deadline, though.

I think JF is a Tiger's fan. I would trade them Chris Perez for Porcello straight up. I don't think they'd do it, though.

Today's game was excruciating. Even in the 9th, with a 3 run lead, Perez walks the leadoff guy. I startled my wife and scared my dogs when I yelled "Aw, come on, man!" at the radio (they must have thought it was football season, LOL). Our bullpen is really sucking canal water lately - its like you just wait for the walks and obligatory 3 run HR. Nevertheless, we sit 2-1/2 out after nearly 90 games ... and I have no more idea if we're really contenders then I did on April 1st.

I am so mad right now. Aviles entire AB was a crock. That first strike was well off the plate (and a ball the ump wasn't calling a strike all game) and the second he did not swing as both ump's called it a swing (even the Tigers broadcast team was laughing saying they 'caught a break'). Ridiculous.

just watched the end of the Brewers/Reds game and I take it 1/2 back. I blame Bourn for this game too because he should have made the catch to seal the game in the 9th. Carlos Gomez made a much tougher play to end their game (and Bourn wants to be considered a gold glove guy, so he needs to make those plays too).

Last nights game was a prime example of why one team plays in the World Series and our team watches the World Series...Bottom of the 9th man on 2nd no outs and we strand him and end up losing the game.....yes we play hard and yes this team never quits but ya know what when you play like we did last night ya still have to stop playing after 3 outs, they wont let ya keep playing and we dont get any extra effort runs...We just dont have the horses Detroit has....Thier players stand up ours play ok..

Definatly a big let down after last night loss, that game could have been a spring board to the 2nd half of the season, now what....Our so called star Free agents are not living up to thier hype from last January...

Example...Jason Kipnes is leading this team in Stolen Bases.....a team with Micheal Bourn on it, granted Bourn was out for a month....but once again is that a reason or excuse......

Swisher...where is the power...what happened.....

Reynolds....somebody has to tell him singles & doulbles are ok,,,,cut down on the swing...level it out....Like him, hope we resign but as the season gets older his BA gets lower....

Stubbs...Love the guy...but common how many outside down & aways can a guy swing at & miss.....Somebody needs to teach him how to let some pitchs just go...great effort, think what he could do with some hitting lessons, somebody needs to give him an eye for pitches..

Sorry blowing off steam...really upset over last night game...

P.S....can somebody give our pitchers a clue on what happens when you throw fastballs down the middle of the plate....players hit them far....does anybody remember Victor Martinez when he played in Cleveland...he loved heaters down the pipe.....SO WHY DID WE THROW HIM ONE LAST NIGHT......we pitched victor like we knew nothing about him..I somewhat understand the pitching to Cabbra & fielder...but than to toss a fastball down the pipe to Victor...Well I need a break from Cleveland sports...

Sometimes it like...nothing to look back on...nothing to look forward to...

jc

Goes to show you how much Bruce Drennan knows about bullpens, he was screaming all year about the Indians strength is their bullpen. That pen SUCKS!

Heck of a first start for the Salazar kid.

Yea it's refreshing to see our farm system produce a flame thrower. Guy could rush it up there.

Bullpens are such crapshoots. It's been amazing we put together 2 great seasons.. If anything this year showed pestano is probably not a closer. He never looked comfortable closing games. When pestano is right, smith/pestano/perez is still pretty good. WE still need a lefty. Hagadone, and Hill are useless.

Nice job today by Salazar, coming up for a spot start. I suspect that it won't be too much longer till he returns on a permanent basis.

Next year we could see a rotation of:

Masterson
McAllister
Kluber
Salazar
Tomlin

Plus we'd still have a few guys who could compete for that 5th spot in Kazmir, Carrasco, and Bauer. I believe that Jimenez is a free agent after this season, though I could be mistaken.

Now we just need to get the bullpen straightened out as well. I would almost bet money that we see Cody Allen as a potential closer down the road.

it was really, really nice to have a minor league guy come up and give us a good spot-start.

however, I wouldn't be hasty about anything long-term quite yet. Jeanmar Gomez and others gave us some nice spot-starts once upon a time. The scouting reports aren't nearly as full on these guys until they get a few starts in them.

also, Tomlin was a fringe guy to start with and he's coming back from a major surgery. I'd consider him a long-relief bullpen option until proven otherwise.

I know that there are no guarantees, but I like Salazar a lot. He's about 2 years removed from Tommy John surgery, and he's made steady and dramatic improvement over the past couple of seasons. He has a nice live fastball with good movement. (and he's hit 99 on occasion) He's also shown a solid change up in the Minors. (unfortunately I did not get to see today's game) He's made steady progress up the ladder since coming back from surgery, and his strike out numbers have gone through the roof. He was OK in that regard before the surgery, Now he strikes out more than a batter an inning. (plus he walks very, very few hitters) He has the tools to be a plus level Major League starter.

I like Tomlin in that 5th spot competition. Maybe he doesn't win it ...... but I think that having 4 guys in that competition could bring us one solid 5th starter.

I like Masterson, McAllister, and Kluber right now. They are all young, and have had some ups and downs, but that's to be expected. I really like Salazar .... and the Indians must too, because they added him to the 40 man roster before he was all the way back from surgery. I think that he'll get his shot this year, and that he'll take advantage of it.

that is true, but this guy had some electric stuff that we havn't seen in years from our farm system. How many years did we have to watch the soft tossers, in huff, sowers, tomlin, even recent guys like bauer, and white. You can't teach a guy rushing it up there at 98 and 99. His off speed pitches looked pretty good too. Best pitching prospectl I've seen since CC.

The thing with Salazar that is scary is that he has a plus-plus fastball, a plus changeup, and is really still learning the breaking ball. If he masters that, watch out. One of my favorite prospects.

As for the comment on Gomez, this season he is 2-0 with a 2.65 ERA for Pittsburgh as their sixth starter/long man. I'd still take that in our pen. For comparison, he is a year-plus younger than Carlos Carrasco (who I still like). I still think the Indians will regret trading him. People were down on him because he never put it together in three partial years with the Indians, but failed to remember how young he was each year.

They're doing the same thing with Carrasco, as they did with Gomez. Keep on sending him up and down the minors. Just because they have a few bad starts, don't send them down. Let them work through the tough times. Carrasco has electric stuff as well, he just has mental issues pitching inside. He also caves in when things go bad.

Carasco HAS to learn how to pitch inside, or he's just going to be a prospect forever. The worst thing that could have happened to him was to be suspended for a 2nd time after hitting a batter ...... and then it did happen. He just got over his suspension, then he got suspended again. It's like it damaged him mentally. He's got to get over it though.

He just can't hit batters after giving up home runs though, That's when he gets suspended.

I forgot about this guy. We can't showcase him for a trade. How could we trade CC Lee ....... after trading CC and Lee?

Honestly though, I really want no part of trading Danny Salazar, unless it's for a legitimate front of the rotation starter. (and that isn't happening) I see no advantage to trading away a kid who looks like a front of the rotation type pitcher for some scrub type player.


Reliever C.C. Lee promoted from Class AAA Columbus: Cleveland Indians chatter | cleveland.com
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Seen and heard at Progressive Field before Friday's game against the Royals:

Clubhouse confidential: The Indians optioned right-hander Danny Salazar to Class AAA Columbus and recalled reliever Chen-Chang (C.C.) Lee from Columbus.

Salazar defeated the Blue Jays on Thursday afternoon in his major-league debut. It was going to be a spot start regardless of outcome. Lee, 26, was recalled from Columbus to fortify the bullpen for the final three-game series against the Royals before the All-Star break.

Lee has been working his way back from Tommy John surgery on his right elbow (June 1, 2012). He opened the season at Class A Lake County with two appearances. He moved to Class AA Akron for eight games before going to Columbus, where he has pitched 6 1/3 scoreless innings and struck out 12 in six appearances.

As with Salazar, Lee could be getting showcased for a possible trade before the July 31 or Aug. 31 deadlines. Lee was scheduled to represent the Indians on Sunday at Citi Field in New York City in the All-Star Futures game.

Lee made a good impression on the Indians in the spring of 2012 with several quality outings. But he made just five appearances for Columbus before being shut down because of elbow trouble.

Lee is a native of Peng-Hu County, Taiwan. He would become only the ninth player from his island nation to pitch in the majors. The Indians never have had a Taiwan native pitch in the majors.

So am at the pool, perusing our batting stats, not a bat above .300 and our best bat, bourn, was hitting 7th, curious, did he pinch hit? Long story short I've only watched a handful of games this year, hers hoping out bats can pick up our bullpen from here on out.

Yeah, Bourne pitch hit yesterday, and came through for us.

I just hope that our bullpen arms get themselves straightened out.

To think that the biggest concern this team had to start the season was the rotation ....

It still is, in my mind. The inefficiency of the bullpen is largely tied to their overuse. That, with the exception of the complete lack of a LH relief option.