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That's Zimmerman's claim.
He also claims that Trayvon punched him from 25-50 times or something crazy. This is all coming from the same guy who outweighs Trayvon and used to do MMA training for 3 days a week.
Something sounds kinda fishy here.
I don't think I've ever heard that he punched him once let alone 25 to 50 times..
Would you be so kind as to point me to some form of verification on that,,, something reliable please..
Zimmerman: And then is when he punched me. He said, “You have a problem now.” And then he punched me in the face.
Serino: Oh, so he said, OK, you have a problem now. OK, he punched and you fell?
Zimmerman: Yes, sir.
Serino: OK, and you got injuries…where’d he punch you, in your face or your chest or where?
Zimmerman: In my face.
Serino: OK.
Zimmerman: My head, I mean all over my head.
Serino: OK, you been cleaned up already, cause Officer Smith said that you were pretty much battered when…
Zimmerman: Yes, sir.
That's part of the interview that I linked earlier. I'll try to find more proof of the exact number of punches, but I'm only because I was going to search for FIFA skill move tutorials 
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Regardless, I'm not sure if I'm pinned down and being beat on if I can tell 10 from 50. That said, if he says 25-30 then 5-15 is probably closer to reality.
Just because it wasn't 25-30 doesn't mean he didn't think it, or feel like it was.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Your first 2 links don't work for me. Is the la times a pay site? Need to be registered?
The third link doesn't once have Z stating he was punched 25 plus times, it only says that the cop testifying said "I didn't think he'd been punched 25 or 30 times."
He (the cop) never states that Z said that, either.
Also, for CHS and you: Ever had a broken nose? I have. That's why it's so crooked now. (qb as a freshman in football......qb face mask - meaning no center bar coming down........guy hit me and the top layer of his shoulder pad came through the open area - eye area - of my facemask. It put me down like a ton of bricks had fallen on me, and breathing was a struggle. As was seeing, etc)
Regardless, I've not seen anywhere where Z is recorded as saying he was hit 25 or more times. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just can't find it.
Also, the video in the link you provided - the 3rd link.......in watching it, it seems to me apparent they didn't listen to all of the cops testimony. They picked and chose what they spoke about.
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Regardless, I've not seen anywhere where Z is recorded as saying he was hit 25 or more times. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just can't find it.
You can't find it? Really?
I just Googled 'George Zimmerman punched 25 times'. It took 2 seconds.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerma...93#.UdMdIG3gZAQ
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You really couldn't find it? If you don't mind me asking, what was your search method?
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That's Zimmerman's claim.
He also claims that Trayvon punched him from 25-50 times or something crazy. This is all coming from the same guy who outweighs Trayvon and used to do MMA training for 3 days a week.
Something sounds kinda fishy here.
I don't think I've ever heard that he punched him once let alone 25 to 50 times..
Would you be so kind as to point me to some form of verification on that,,, something reliable please..
Zimmerman: And then is when he punched me. He said, “You have a problem now.” And then he punched me in the face.
Serino: Oh, so he said, OK, you have a problem now. OK, he punched and you fell?
Zimmerman: Yes, sir.
Serino: OK, and you got injuries…where’d he punch you, in your face or your chest or where?
Zimmerman: In my face.
Serino: OK.
Zimmerman: My head, I mean all over my head.
Serino: OK, you been cleaned up already, cause Officer Smith said that you were pretty much battered when…
Zimmerman: Yes, sir.
That's part of the interview that I linked earlier. I'll try to find more proof of the exact number of punches, but I'm only because I was going to search for FIFA skill move tutorials
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Your written thing...............where does that say Z said he was punched 25 or more times?
The mma thing.............he was training in mma.......got it. At least you have something to back it up. I read earlier that he had only been training for a few weeks. Your link seems to make it sound like it had been much longer.......perhaps a year?
If someone sucker punches you and breaks your nose, you're going down. (not "you" per se - but "someone").
My son got the crap beat out of him a year or so ago. He took one hit to the face, went down, and he had no clue how many more times he was hit or kicked after that.
If he were testifying in a trial.........would you hold that against him?
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Both LAtimes links non-functional.
Both working links show statements from someone OTHER THAN Zimmerman.
Any links to these referenced statements, made by Zimmerman?
Noticed a reference to straddling a prone person and hitting them being an MMA move, "ground and pound". Apparently, nearly every young boy learns MMA moves before age 10. Before there even WAS an MMA.
Myself, when someone is beating on me, I make them stop so I can get a pen and paper and keep an accurate count of each blow. Because getting that count wrong might really make it look like I was changing my story, especially if somebody else is counting.
EDIT - see the new links. Still someone else speaking. "Up to" - kinda strange language. Would like to see this entire conversation "How many times did he hit you?" "Well, UP TO 25". Was he saying he was punched that number of times, or is he including his head whacking the concrete?
If it was only one of each, what difference does that make?
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The mma thing.............he was training in mma.......got it. At least you have something to back it up. I read earlier that he had only been training for a few weeks. Your link seems to make it sound like it had been much longer.......perhaps a year?
Z told his physician's assistant in August 2011 that he had been training MMA, so at least 6 months by the time the incident occurred.
Re: broken nose, the EMS never stated that he had a broken nose in his report, and his physician's assistant advised him to see an ENT, which he never did.
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" Made By Zimmerman". Not somebody else
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So, he said he was hit "up to 25 times"? That leaves quite a leeway there, doesn't it?
And the cop said "I don't think he was hit 25 times based on his injuries."
What constitutes a "hit". Is it one punch in the face, knocking you down, and then several attempts at hitting, slapping, etc?
I still don't see where, as you stated earlier, Z said he was hit 25 to 30 times.
And honestly, I do believe you'd agree, it's a moot point at this juncture.
"how many times were you hit?"
"Up to 25 times".......read: I don't know.
Zimmermans interviews led every cop he interviewed with to believe him. Even Serino - who admittedly tried to trip him up with the "we have video of the incident" led Serino to believe Z was telling the truth.
I WILL say this - media coverage of all of this prior to the court case doesn't do a whole lot for me. And the reason for that? The talking heads are just that: talking heads. Anything for viewership. Ask NBC and the doctored 911 tape. Throwing race out as THE reason for the incident. Honestly, I've never in my life heard of a "white hispanic" in all my years until this.
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The mma thing.............he was training in mma.......got it. At least you have something to back it up. I read earlier that he had only been training for a few weeks. Your link seems to make it sound like it had been much longer.......perhaps a year?
Z told his physician's assistant in August 2011 that he had been training MMA, so at least 6 months by the time the incident occurred.
Re: broken nose, the EMS never stated that he had a broken nose in his report, and his physician's assistant advised him to see an ENT, which he never did.
I never went to a doctor either. They don't do anything for a broken nose anyway, unless you have shards of cartilage rammed into your brain.
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Honestly, I've never in my life heard of a "white hispanic" in all my years until this.
Really? I'm fairly sure they had a question on the cenus that said "White (Non-Hispanic)" I also know they have them for job apps, scholarships, and college applications. Not to mention some famous actors/entertainers are white hispanic (Martin Sheen, Cameron Diaz, Louis CK who was mentioned here earlier).
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They both work, the hyperlink broke the link down for some reason. You can try copying the entire thing and pasting it in your browser bar.
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That one doesn't work for me either.
Fixed both of the broken link that the board did. Both stories should link now from this post.
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I never went to a doctor either. They don't do anything for a broken nose anyway, unless you have shards of cartilage rammed into your brain.
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Honestly, I've never in my life heard of a "white hispanic" in all my years until this.
Really? I'm fairly sure they had a question on the cenus that said "White (Non-Hispanic)" I also know they have them for job apps, scholarships, and college applications. Not to mention some famous actors/entertainers are white hispanic (Martin Sheen, Cameron Diaz, Louis CK who was mentioned here earlier).
So, "white, non hispanic" is on the census? Why then, is zimmerman called a "white hispanic"?
Why isn't Obama called a white black? Or a black white? Or a white african american?
You've got race on your brain, there's no doubt about that.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/6870/what-race-is-george-zimmerman Not sure what good this link is, but it says Z is hispanic. Even though he has a "white" father, and a "peruvian" mother............he's called hispanic. (in the link)
See how stupid race is?
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Honestly, I've never in my life heard of a "white hispanic" in all my years until this.
Really? I'm fairly sure they had a question on the cenus that said "White (Non-Hispanic)" I also know they have them for job apps, scholarships, and college applications. Not to mention some famous actors/entertainers are white hispanic (Martin Sheen, Cameron Diaz, Louis CK who was mentioned here earlier).
So, "white, non hispanic" is on the census? Why then, is zimmerman called a "white hispanic"?
Why isn't Obama called a white black? Or a black white? Or a white african american?
You've got race on your brain, there's no doubt about that.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/6870/what-race-is-george-zimmerman Not sure what good this link is, but it says Z is hispanic. Even though he has a "white" father, and a "peruvian" mother............he's called hispanic. (in the link)
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So his race is white. And if you ask me, I am kind of liking the term, because what it really means is that we're just becoming a more multicultural nation. It's kind of a beautiful thing, ya know?
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" Made By Zimmerman". Not somebody else
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Why do you keep putting that up?
You said it. Why do you expect others to do YOUR homework?
I will gladly read any link you provide, but I don't think I should have to go looking for proof of your statement.
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Each of those links describes the same detective, describing what Z told him. Three or four are identical, one has a single, additional reference, by the same detective.
What we do NOT have, is any additional discussion by Z in his own words about that number or the questions leading up to it.
"Did he hit you more than once? More than five times? Could it have been as many as 25?"
"I don't know, it could have been 25"
"It doesn't look like he hit you 25 times"
Without any knowledge of this exchange, it's hard to say how it went. Most links also have the police stating that you could not expect someone in this situation to get the number right.
It also does not matter, since we have actual, factual evidence that a number of blows were, in fact, struck. By Martin, on Zimmerman, and no evidence whatsoever going the other way.
Using this number to discredit Z's testimony is thin, awfully thin.
Did he ever claim that he had NOT exercised with MMA? I did not see him use the word "training", "Exercising" would be different than "training". Maybe he works out at an MMA gym.
This would be a factor if there were any evidence he had struck Martin.
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Also, is Z now using some DIFFERENT number?
It was stated that his story had changed.
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His interview with Sean Hannity, in which he apparently said he was punched a dozen times in the face, was played in the courtroom today.
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Why do you keep putting that up?
You said it. Why do you expect others to do YOUR homework?
I will gladly read any link you provide, but I don't think I should have to go looking for proof of your statement.
You guys either didn't even bother to look, or you don't know how to use search engines.
If it's the latter, I'd suggest reading this:
http://searchengineland.com/guide/how-to-use-google-to-search
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Serino on Monday said he thought Zimmerman’s injuries were “lacking” when compared to Zimmerman’s statement that Trayvon punched him 25 to 30 times and repeatedly slammed his head against a concrete walkway until Zimmerman said he “felt like it was going to explode.”
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http://www.theroot.com/views/george-zimmerman-tapes-facts-dont-add?page=0,1
Here's what I do when someone makes I claim I'm not sure of:
First, I look for the information. If I find it, and they're correct, I move on. If I find information that contradicts them, I point it out. If I can't find any information on the subject whatsoever, then I will ask for a link.
Either you guys did no research of your own, or you need a tutorial on how search engines work.
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You went from 'I've never heard this, I think CHS just made that up out of thin air' to 'I need a direct in-context quote' in 3 posts.
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Are you guys really arguing about how many times he thinks he was hit? While this white hispanic guy was on the ground and this non-cracker guy was punching him, breaking his nose and beating his head against the ground he's supposed to be accurate in his counting of the punches?
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Are you guys really arguing about how many times he thinks he was hit? While this white hispanic guy was on the ground and this non-cracker guy was punching him, breaking his nose and beating his head against the ground he's supposed to be accurate in his counting of the punches?
Uhhh... yeah!
Anything less than 25 punches and he wasn't really trying to win.
or, is that football? Ugh... I get it all mixed up.
Browns is the Browns
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When using as the basis of an argument for taking another person's life in self-defense, and when medical professionals testify that your injuries are consistent with being hit once or twice despite your varied claims of being hit anywhere between 12 and 30 times, yes, I expect you to not embellish.
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Anything less than 25 punches and he wasn't really trying to win.
or, is that football? Ugh... I get it all mixed up.
I think you're thinking of "punch the face 30 times per fight or lose".
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It also does not matter, since we have actual, factual evidence that a number of blows were, in fact, struck. By Martin, on Zimmerman, and no evidence whatsoever going the other way.
What actual factual, evidence are you referring to?
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Are you guys really arguing about how many times he thinks he was hit? While this white hispanic guy was on the ground and this non-cracker guy was punching him, breaking his nose and beating his head against the ground he's supposed to be accurate in his counting of the punches?
My argument was based more around people's laziness than the actual number of times he was punched.
But beyond that... his story isn't really consistent with his injuries.
I think that's something worth debating.
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CHS statement of "up to 50" was, indeed, fabricated. Or do you have a link to Somebody Else who says that Z said that, too?
I had never seen these numbers anywhere.
The single individual who is quoting Zimmerman in each and every link, has now changed HIS story several times.
"up to 25", "25 times", "25 to 30". Did Z say all three? Something similar? How about seeing what EXACTLY he said, and in response to what question? Or have you forgotten how the "He's black" came about?
He stated this was from a recorded interview and/or a written statement. Documentation is available.
YOU used this to indicate Z was being untruthful. Multiple police officers have stated that anyone in a similar situation would not be expected to either recall this type of information accurately, nor describe it in exactly the same way, both shortly after the incident and much later.
CHS pulled the "up to 50" number out of thin air, or perhaps from another place. Thanks to the lnks given, that is no longer a guess.
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Trayvon's knuckles, Injuries to Z's nose and above the eye, multiple lacerations on back of Z's head. Minimum of four separate actions, would need more detail as it is possible both facial injuries came from one blow. So minimum of three. Detail of back of head could raise that number. As could detail on knuckles.
Z's knuckles showed no evidence of striking any blow, Martin had no other injuries indicating he was struck - aside from the gunshot.
These things are actual, factual evidence.
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Are you guys really arguing about how many times he thinks he was hit? While this white hispanic guy was on the ground and this non-cracker guy was punching him, breaking his nose and beating his head against the ground he's supposed to be accurate in his counting of the punches?
Needs to be said again.
Who cares how many times the........as some would say "white" guy (actually white hispanic, whatever the hell that means) got hit........who cares about the facts being presented in court.
For some, it comes down to race.
One person on here has called Z "white", even though he has been called "white hispanic", but then that same person tells us race is based on looks, and no one can deny that Z looks hispanic........but that doesn't matter, since he's "white"?
It's a freaking zoo, all the wanting it to be a race case.
If this were 2 "white" people, or 2 "black" people, this would not be a national story.
As it is, the media turned it into "white" hispanic, and they enhanced it with pictures of TM when he was 12, 13, 14?
I'd love to let this play out in court - and I will, obviously, but come on people, let's not get hung up on race.
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Trayvon's knuckles,
What about them is actual, factual evidence that Martin struck several blows on Zimmerman?
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Again, your opinion or interpretation, not 'actual, factual evidence'.
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Trayvon's knuckles, Injuries to Z's nose and above the eye, multiple lacerations on back of Z's head. Minimum of four separate actions, would need more detail as it is possible both facial injuries came from one blow. So minimum of three. Detail of back of head could raise that number. As could detail on knuckles.
Z's knuckles showed no evidence of striking any blow, Martin had no other injuries indicating he was struck - aside from the gunshot.
These things are actual, factual evidence.
Trayvon Martin's bloody knuckles was just a small laceration on one finger. It also said the gun was shot from an "intermediate" range. Again, this does not look good for Zimmerman's credibility.
But it does appear I was wrong. I have got the numbers of time he screamed for help "50 times" confused with the number of punches. However, like PDR has pointed out, the number of punches Zimmerman reported was fairly obnoxious sounding.
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I hope at some time you can take "race" out of your thought process.
Not everything has to be based in or on "race".
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Not everything has to be based in or on "race".
None of that post had anything to do with race. At least my post didn't, I only rechecked mine, but I don't believe the other person who I was responding to did. So who really is riding the race wave?
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I hope at some time you can take "race" out of your thought process.
Not everything has to be based in or on "race".
None of that post had anything to do with race. At least my post didn't, I only rechecked mine, but I don't believe the other person who I was responding to did. So who really is riding the race wave?
You. You bring it up in most threads. Go back and check it out.
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