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On the down side, he only played 60 games in 2011.
66 game season
Oh man, that's right. I forgot about the lockout. (Or maybe I just successfully blocked it out of my memory)
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I'll add .... I love the idea of a dominant Center, because there are so few truly quality Centers in the NBA. Bynum can be that type ..... if he's healthy and committed. He's athletic and long. He can be a plus level scorer ..... something I love having inside.
If we could figure out a way to resign him after a 1 year deal, and (to go complete pie in the sky) sign Lebron, along with the rest of the young talent on this team ........ I would take that. We'd have our big 3, plus quality youth.
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If we do sign Bynum, I bet that Byron Scott would have to think "Why couldn't I have those type of guys?
and the response could very well be:
all these guys flocked to play for Mike Brown (which sounds really weird to read back, but it's what they are all saying).
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Not likely possible, unless one or both of those two (Bynum, Lebron) took significantly reduced contracts.
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Well, Lebron took a reduced deal in Miami .... so who knows?
Maybe Bynum would do the same to play with 2 top tier players? Who knows?
Like I said .... pipe dream .... but who knows?
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Well, Lebron took a reduced deal in Miami .... so who knows?
Maybe Bynum would do the same to play with 2 top tier players? Who knows?
Like I said .... pipe dream .... but who knows?
I'm pretty sure Lebron is going for the full max this time around. Some of the things he's hinted at over the last year or so, about how he's not being paid what he's worth (sounds ridiculous because he's a multi-millionaire, but compared to what other guys make, it's true).
But yeah, who knows what will happen a year from now. Long way to go. I can't wait to see how the next year unfolds.
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I really have no idea what he'll do.
Part of me says that he'll look at teams that have players he wants to play with, and maybe sign for a little less so he can continue to be in contention to win titles ........ part of me says that he'll go someplace where he can be the hugest media whore and part of me thinks that he'll stay put and try to talk other stars into coming to Miami.
he has said that he wants to return to Cleveland one day ...... and I hate to think that he would want to do that only when he is too old to make a difference. Who knows though? I was wrong when he made "The Decision" .... so I make no predictions.
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I'm all for getting him back in Cleveland, but it would have to be next year. I don't want him when he's done and washed up. Like when Thome came back.
I mean, Thome flat out lied about leaving, then comes back, and whatever, forgiven, but I would have been fine if he never did.
He also doesn't deserve a statue. I don't know how you can put one up for that guy, with how he left, against Bob Feller and everything he stood for.
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A lot can change in a year, but I really don't see the guy going anywhere.
He's the leader of a dynasty that has good odds of regeneration.
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A lot can change in a year, but I really don't see the guy going anywhere.
He's the leader of a dynasty that has good odds of regeneration.
I think you have to at least question whether or not he wants to re-up with Dwyane Wade who is a shell of himself and not worth what Miami will probably pay him. Then you throw in Bosh.
They have a great team right now, and will next year, but beyond that who is going to be his running partner?
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A lot can change in a year, but I really don't see the guy going anywhere.
He's the leader of a dynasty that has good odds of regeneration.
I think you have to at least question whether or not he wants to re-up with Dwyane Wade who is a shell of himself and not worth what Miami will probably pay him. Then you throw in Bosh.
They have a great team right now, and will next year, but beyond that who is going to be his running partner?
I don't see a shortage of guys willing to go there.
I'm not saying they can re-load and win it every single year, but if LeBron wanted to keep the Heat dynasty going, he'd have a long line of guys willing to sign up.
Not only are they a dynasty, but they may be the most fixated upon dynasty in modern sports. There isn't a brighter spotlight. Couple all of that with the fact that it's Miami, Florida, and you've got a good thing going.
Of course, all of this assumes LeBron wants to keep Miami's dynasty alive. But I'd struggle to come up with reasons why we wouldn't.
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Well, Lebron took a reduced deal in Miami .... so who knows?
I'm talking $6-7 million less per year, not $1.5 million.
Max deals for both Lebron and Bynum in 2014 would be 65%, or about $40 million, using a projected cap of $62 million.
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I think with lebron, he cares ALOT about what people in his home area thinks about him. I know he didn't expect the backlash that came from the decision and I think it truly bothered him. I blame it on him being sheltered, privileged and naive. I think he's grown personally and professionally since he left. I am under the opinion that he would love to come home, fulfill a promise and become a hero and achieve god status in his home state. Yeah, theres little doubt he has all the accolades and pundits in his corner now. But I think part of him would like nothing more than to do it with his home team.
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They have a great team right now, and will next year, but beyond that who is going to be his running partner?
Kyrie, possibly. Like I said in an earlier NBA thread, things will get interesting if the Cavs have a bad season this year and they don't sign Kyrie to an extension next offseason.
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I think with lebron, he cares ALOT about what people in his home area thinks about him. I know he didn't expect the backlash that came from the decision and I think it truly bothered him.
I don't think he cares all that much anymore. Yeah, it bothered him at first. He didn't really like the villain role. But rings change things. He's not all that hated anymore. I'm not saying it can't happen, but the odds are slim and none.
And if the Heat win it next year, you can drop slim.
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A lot can change in a year, but I really don't see the guy going anywhere.
He's the leader of a dynasty that has good odds of regeneration.
I think you have to at least question whether or not he wants to re-up with Dwyane Wade who is a shell of himself and not worth what Miami will probably pay him. Then you throw in Bosh.
They have a great team right now, and will next year, but beyond that who is going to be his running partner?
I don't see a shortage of guys willing to go there.
I'm not saying they can re-load and win it every single year, but if LeBron wanted to keep the Heat dynasty going, he'd have a long line of guys willing to sign up.
Not only are they a dynasty, but they may be the most fixated upon dynasty in modern sports. There isn't a brighter spotlight. Couple all of that with the fact that it's Miami, Florida, and you've got a good thing going.
Of course, all of this assumes LeBron wants to keep Miami's dynasty alive. But I'd struggle to come up with reasons why we wouldn't.
No doubt. But will Miami just dump Wade? They are almost forced to sign him. After all, he's the guy that boasted of loyalty a day after the decision and how Miami was just so loyal. I can't wait until that crossroads comes. We will see how "loyal" the Heat are.
As far as Lebron and this dynasty talk. He could keep that thing going there. But truth be told, with the shape of the league right now, wherever he goes, they are the favorite. (Although with Miami being in the East, he has a free ticket to the finals every year)
I just have always thought the Cavs could be an option because of what they have acquired the last 3 years. Things are starting to take shape.
I do believe Lebron is considering coming back. He would love to make good with the area, to try and also make good on a promise from some years ago, but I don't think he comes back because it's Cleveland or Northeast Ohio.
He's going to the place that has the best collection of players. That could be staying in Miami. That could be LA. That could be Cleveland. I don't think there is really another option. Maybe on the outside chance Chicago or Dallas, but if I were setting Vegas odds. I'd have Miami as the favorite with Cleveland the next, and LA after that.
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They have a great team right now, and will next year, but beyond that who is going to be his running partner?
Kyrie, possibly. Like I said in an earlier NBA thread, things will get interesting if the Cavs have a bad season this year and they doP't sign Kyrie to an extension next offseason.
Kyrie is a RFA. We will tender him. Unless he signs the 1yr tender (which not one single star player has EVER done), then we get him back for at least 3 more years.
No star player has ever left after their first contract. Not LeBron, Melo, Bosh, Love, etc. Guys who are reportedly not all that happy with their situation. It's very hard to do in the NBA (you have to sign that 1 yr tender which effectively is telling your team to trade you now).
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We'll see what happens if the Cavs continue to be awful. Most superstar players' teams don't stay wallowing in mediocrity three or four years into their careers. Those that do, such as Kevin Love, become publicly dissatisfied.
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We'll see what happens if the Cavs continue to be awful. Most superstar players' teams don't stay wallowing in mediocrity three or four years into their careers. Those that do, such as Kevin Love, become publicly dissatisfied.
and he signed the extension anyway
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And then they proceeded to have back-to-back seasons with a record under .400. Unless that changes, he'll be gone after two more years, and his experience will serve as a cautionary tale to younger star players on bad teams that are trying to get them to sign extensions.
Like I said, we'll see what happens, but if the Cavs continue to have win totals in the 20s or 30s, Kyrie will be gone at the first opportunity.
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yes, I have no doubt that Irving may leave AFTER his 2nd contract. In fact, unless we are legitimately consistent contenders, I even expect it. However, it would be unprecedented for him to leave BEFORE his 2nd contract. That is my only point. Anyways, none of this matters because we are pursuing the JIMMER!
http://tracking.si.com/2013/07/08/jimmer-fredette-trade-kings/
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And I'm just saying that Kyrie is a caliber of star (not necessarily player) on par with very few players in the league, and may do the unprecedented if the Cavs show no signs of imminent improvement. It's not like the terms "unprecedented" and "Cleveland sports" are strangers to one another.
Rumors of pursuing guys like Andrew Bynum and Jimmer Fredette really make me wonder if the people running the Cavs are as adamant about getting out of the lottery as they say they are.
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yes, I know it's always a small possibility, but there's no reason to focus on it right now. there's also a small possibility that Minny trades us Uncle Wes, but I'm not going to get excited about that option either.
Andrew Bynum was the 2nd best center in the NBA the year Mike Brown coached him. Mike Brown is our coach now. If healthy, then isn't Bynum exactly the type of player to help us out of the lottery? obviously, he needs to get cleared by our medical staff (even on a 1yr deal)
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Well, Lebron took a reduced deal in Miami .... so who knows?
I'm talking $6-7 million less per year, not $1.5 million.
Max deals for both Lebron and Bynum in 2014 would be 65%, or about $40 million, using a projected cap of $62 million.
That assumes a max deal for both. Why knows? Maybe Bynum gets "only" $14 million/year, instead of a max deal. Maybe Lebron takes $16 million instead of the max? In that case, we'd have approximately $32 million to cover everyone else's contracts. That might work .... or at least come close. Plus, once we hit the cap, we'd have the exemptions we could use.
Lotta guesses there, but possibilities anyway. Likely? Probably not. Possible? Who knows? If Bynum wants a max deal, he probably won't be here anyway. (outside of a 1 year deal this year, and I doubt he gets the max anyway) Maybe he decides that a good situation and a huge contract is worth more than a strictly max deal. Stranger things have happened. Again ... not necessarily likely ..... but possible.
Other teams manage to handle 3 max deals. I'm sure that Chris Grant could figure out how to handle 2 of them. I doubt that Dan Gilbert would scream too loudly about paying a luxury tax, even at 3-1, if it got him a championship or 2. (and yeah, I know that it went up to 3-1 with the new CBA) (maybe not $10 million over with a $30 million tax ....... but $1 or $2 million over, he might be OK with)
All I do know is that next year is going to be really interesting.
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I posted something about Ferdette earlier, and I have to wonder why we would be interested.
I know that he's only got one year left on his deal, (with a team option next year) which is good, but beyond that ...... I don't get it.
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Andrew Bynum was the 2nd best center in the NBA the year Mike Brown coached him. Mike Brown is our coach now. If healthy, then isn't Bynum exactly the type of player to help us out of the lottery?
Like I said earlier, I don't like the idea of relying on our PG and C as our two primary scorers. Doubly so when those two players both happen to be incredibly injury-prone.
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Andrew Bynum was the 2nd best center in the NBA the year Mike Brown coached him. Mike Brown is our coach now. If healthy, then isn't Bynum exactly the type of player to help us out of the lottery?
Like I said earlier, I don't like the idea of relying on our PG and C as our two primary scorers.
Why?
I get the injury aspect, and that worries me as well. However, with the dearth of talent at Center in the NBA, I rather like the idea of a Center who can score.
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Andrew Bynum was the 2nd best center in the NBA the year Mike Brown coached him. Mike Brown is our coach now. If healthy, then isn't Bynum exactly the type of player to help us out of the lottery?
Like I said earlier, I don't like the idea of relying on our PG and C as our two primary scorers. Doubly so when those two players both happen to be incredibly injury-prone.
it certainly would work better if we had PFs who could shoot from the outside (Bennett maybe?) or better 3pt shooting wings (Karasev maybe?). But, I don't really care who are the primary scorers. I like having as many options on both sides of the floor as possible. Get the best players you can get and let the coach figure out how to use it.
I completely agree with the injury-prone angle. Add in Andy, and we'd constantly be holding our breath on every fall.
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That assumes a max deal for both. Why knows? Maybe Bynum gets "only" $14 million/year, instead of a max deal. Maybe Lebron takes $16 million instead of the max? In that case, we'd have approximately $32 million to cover everyone else's contracts. That might work .... or at least come close. Plus, once we hit the cap, we'd have the exemptions we could use.
Like no_logo pointed out, when healthy, Bynum is still one of the best centers in the league, and he's young. If he plays well on a show-me, he's going to be looking for a max or close to it, and someone will give it to him. His last deal averaged over $14 million/year. I doubt he takes a pay cut if he can still play.
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If it were just about signing two players to max contracts, sure. But you said both of those guys in addition to keeping the young talent we have already, by which I assume you mean Kyrie, Tristan, Dion, (hopefully) Bennett and Karasev. Those guys will be getting about $24 million combined. We'll still have Gee, Jack and Varejao under contract (for an approximate combined $18 million), an option on Zeller, and we'll have another new (likely high) draft pick or two.
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I just feel that the teams that consistently do the best are the ones who get most of their scoring production from the 2, 3 and 4 positions. I like a PG who distributes as much as or more than he distributes, and a C who primarily provides solid interior defense, and does most of his scoring on put-backs and posting up on the low block.
Obviously these aren't hard-and-fast rules, but more often than not it seems that the recent championship teams have role players at the PG and C positions. Starting PGs on championship teams of the past decade include Mario Chalmers, 38-year-old Jason Kidd, Derek Fisher, a rookie Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups. Good players, but outside of Parker, nobody that blows your mind. Likewise with Cs other than the future HoFer in Shaq, and he was always paired with an elite shooting guard. Bynum, Perkins, Anthony/Bosh, Wallace, Elson, Chandler...none of those guys are destined for greatness.
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I get what you are saying, but just cannot help but to mention the most consistently good team of the past 15 years happen to rely on PG & C (Spurs - Parker & Duncan).
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That assumes a max deal for both. Why knows? Maybe Bynum gets "only" $14 million/year, instead of a max deal. Maybe Lebron takes $16 million instead of the max? In that case, we'd have approximately $32 million to cover everyone else's contracts. That might work .... or at least come close. Plus, once we hit the cap, we'd have the exemptions we could use.
Lotta guesses there, but possibilities anyway. Likely? Probably not. Possible? Who knows? If Bynum wants a max deal, he probably won't be here anyway. (outside of a 1 year deal this year, and I doubt he gets the max anyway) Maybe he decides that a good situation and a huge contract is worth more than a strictly max deal. Stranger things have happened. Again ... not necessarily likely ..... but possible.
Wait, all of a sudden it's possible?
You were worried that Omer Asik at $8 million prevented us from landing an impact FA, but Bynum at $14 mil gives us a chance at the best player on the planet?
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I root for cap space. Why would we want to spend money on a one year contract just to watch someone play Center well?
I'd rather hoard cap space and think about it all the time while watching my team perform at a poor level.
And don't get me started about the Browns! Woohoo! $30M! Hopefully they can cut some guys and get that number up around $35M.
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I get what you are saying, but just cannot help but to mention the most consistently good team of the past 15 years happen to rely on PG & C (Spurs - Parker & Duncan).
Duncan is a PF, and I did note that Parker is an obvious exception. And even if you do consider Duncan to be a C, guys like him and Shaq are HoFers. I'm not talking about players of that caliber. HoF-level players help your team regardless of position.
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Personally, I wouldn't touch Bynum.
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If we were to sign a max free agent, as well as sign Bynum and resign him, then we would have to make adjustments to the team. We'd probably have to trade a guy like Thompson. (which shouldn't be too hard) If we think that we have a shot at signing 2 max free agents, then we would probably be in sell mode with our 1st rounders next year. We wouldn't want to add another guaranteed contract.
Let's say we have 2 max deals ....
Max 1: $19 million
Max 2: $19 million
Varejao's Guarantee $4 million (Unless we can trade him)
Irving: $7 million
Jack: $5 million
Dion: $4 million
Bennett: $4 million
Karasev: $1.6 million
Thompson: $5 million
Zeller: $1.7 million
That puts us at about $8 million over the cap. If we can move Andy's contract, it would put us at $4 million over. We might have to move our 1st round pick next year (and the guaranteed deal) if we signed 2 max free agents, Maybe we could trade that pick plus Varejao's guarantee for a future second round pick or something just to clear space.
I will not pretend to understand all of the nuances of the NBA salary cap. I know that teams are allowed to exceed the cap if they pay the tax. Miami's salary for next season is $86 million, and they have $79 million in salaries the next year, with only $3 million of that being options. They only have 6 players under contract for 2014-2015, (Lebron and Bosh can opt out in 2014. I think I read that Wade could as well) .
Anyway ..... what happens if we trade Andy and our first round pick. sign 2 max deals, and have the players as listed above? I know we can go over the cap, but I'm not sure how that works. Could we sign a player not on the team to a max deal, then resign Bynum? I'm not 100% sure how that works.
I read that Gee's 2014 contract is not guaranteed, so that can come off the books easily. Varejao's contract is only guaranteed for $4 million. We could dump him and pay the guarantee if nothing else. Zeller's deal is rather small. We might have to trade away a first round pick in next year's draft if we sign 2 max players. (which I would hate to do since that draft is supposed to be loaded)
I'm not sure if we can use a veteran exception on a contract like Jack's once we hit the cap? I'm not really sure how the exemptions work to start with actually. Maybe someone can slear that up for me?
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Evidently Bynum is in Cleveland today ...... Andrew Bynum in Cleveland to meet with Cavaliers | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/..._special-reportCLEVELAND, Ohio -- Free agent center Andrew Bynum is in Cleveland today to meet with Cavaliers officials about signing with the team, a league source confirmed. ESPN first reported the story. Neither Cavaliers general manager Chris Grant nor Bynum's agent responded to requests for confirmation. Bynum, a 7-foot, 25-year-old, missed the entire 2012-13 season after he was traded to Philadelphia because of knee problems that ultimately required surgery. While playing for the Los Angeles Lakers the season before, he averaged 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds. The Dallas Mavericks also are in pursuit of the intriguing center, but a league source said interest hinges on what doctors find in examining Bynum's troublesome knees. His agent, David Lee, previously stated that his client would not work out for potential suitors this summer. Yahoo! Sports said Lee would provide Bynum's MRIs to teams, and that he expects his client to be available to play when training camp begins. The Cavaliers, still about $20 million under the projected salary cap, are in a position to offer Bynum a lucrative one-year deal.
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Apparently the Cavs offered Bynum two years, $24 million "incentive-based". link
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Apparently the Cavs offered Bynum two years, $24 million "incentive-based".
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and 2nd year was a pure team option. smart move (though funnily worse than the one Kris Humphries got last summer).
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I don't really want the guy but I guess I can't argue with the risk/reward ratio being in the Cavs favor with that type of contract.
Count me on board if he signs.
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