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Well everyone can forget about signing a marquee free agent next year. Some doofus on NBA.com has an article about Lebron, Wade, Bosh and Carmelo all going to the Lakers to play with Kobe. His reasoning is "it's LA".
couple that with Kobe indicating he won't take a paycut (he makes $30mil) and a likely salary cap of $60mil and you have $30mil for those 4 guys. Sure, I believe they'll each take $7.25mil just for the opportunity to play in front of Jack Nicholson.
Maybe....but Bosh isn't getting another max deal with the way he played (come on, dude had NO POINTS in game 7 and really was a above avg. role player on that team), Wade's knee's are about done so I doubt he'll be getting another max deal unless Miami does everything to retain him, Lebron will chase titles because I think he views his legacy as more important than cash at this point and Carmello, shoot, he'd take $5 to play on a title winning team. Melo is close to passing that window of opportunity of being elite. IMO, he'd jump ship from NY for LA in a heartbeat (assuming he can get out, not sure of his contract).
While it may stink for the NBA and it's fans, this is the way the league is now setup. Build a super team in a new location for a 3-4 year run, rinse, repeat*.
*A dramatic oversimplifcation for sure, but you get my point.
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I think Kobe is grandstanding. No way will he get a mega deal from the lakers. Maybe a 3 year deal worth 15 million at the most. I think he wants to win, and will take a hit in the pocket to get some talent to win a championship.
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Wade and Bosh have massive deals up until 16. If lebron leaves, I could see them 2 staying in miami, and collecting their salaries, they wouldn't get elsewhere. It depends how much they want to give up in salary to win more championships. Carmello could opt out next summer as well.
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Well everyone can forget about signing a marquee free agent next year. Some doofus on NBA.com has an article about Lebron, Wade, Bosh and Carmelo all going to the Lakers to play with Kobe. His reasoning is "it's LA".
How would they afford it?
Seriously. They will only have Steve Nash under contract, and he's roughly $10 million. No way do they let Kobe walk, and no way does he take a huge pay cut from his $30 million current contract. Even if they get him to sign for "only" $25 million, that's almost 2/3 of the cap right there. They also still have to fill out a roster. 2 more max deals and they are at $75 million, with 4 players under contract. How do the media come up with this stuff?
I know that this is typical crap spewed by the media ..... but frankly why would anyone want to go play in California and pay a 13% income tax? (I just read an article that said that this was the tax rate, and was a factor in Howard's decision) I know that it's "exciting" LA and all ...... but that's one enormous chunk of change. I can see some guys taking a minimum type contract to go play in Miami, with no income tax ....... but taking a $1 million deal and losing $130K of it to state tax along with your federal tax is a HUGE chunk. It's an even bigger piece of the pie of you're making $20 million. Imagine writing a state tax check for $2.6 million...... plus your federal tax. Bam!
Hell, even without Howard, the Lakers have $74 million in salary this year. They are certain to pay the salary cap tax, which might equal what they pay in salaries. (and that's with only 10 players under contract) Of course, they are almost going to have to do something, because they traded away a ton of draft picks for Howard .... so building through the draft is out of the question.
Speaking of free agents and drafts ........ I think that it would be funny if we managed to resign Lebron, and the Heat still had to give us their 2015 1st round pick. 
Also, can someone who knows please explain to me how an NBA team can sign free agents and go way over the cap? I thought that their cap was somewhat firm, though you could go over to resign one player, or something like that. (plus the exceptions built into the CBA) I don't know how these teams wind up with a $58 million cap, and a $75 payroll, with more than the cap tied up in 3 players. Maybe someone can explain the various dodges and tactics teams use to go way over the salary cap.
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Either one of which guys? I named four.
If I was Lebron, Wade, Bosh or Kobe.....I'd be all over building a "super team" in LA over anywhere else in the NBA. That town is "NBA basketball" in my opinion.
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Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.
When they’ve settled into luxurious leather chairs and opened bottles of overpriced imported sparkling water, an NBA general manager arrives and points to a blank yellow legal pad in the middle of the conference table and five pencils.
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Well everyone can forget about signing a marquee free agent next year. Some doofus on NBA.com has an article about Lebron, Wade, Bosh and Carmelo all going to the Lakers to play with Kobe. His reasoning is "it's LA".
couple that with Kobe indicating he won't take a paycut (he makes $30mil) and a likely salary cap of $60mil and you have $30mil for those 4 guys. Sure, I believe they'll each take $7.25mil just for the opportunity to play in front of Jack Nicholson.
Maybe....but Bosh isn't getting another max deal with the way he played (come on, dude had NO POINTS in game 7 and really was a above avg. role player on that team), Wade's knee's are about done so I doubt he'll be getting another max deal unless Miami does everything to retain him, Lebron will chase titles because I think he views his legacy as more important than cash at this point and Carmello, shoot, he'd take $5 to play on a title winning team. Melo is close to passing that window of opportunity of being elite. IMO, he'd jump ship from NY for LA in a heartbeat (assuming he can get out, not sure of his contract).
While it may stink for the NBA and it's fans, this is the way the league is now setup. Build a super team in a new location for a 3-4 year run, rinse, repeat*.
*A dramatic oversimplifcation for sure, but you get my point.
So does Bosh opt out next year? Does Wade?
It seems like the national NBA guys all think Lebron is opting out. It only makes sense. He's at the top of the basketball mountain, and can lock down another long term deal, only this time around, can make top buck in doing so.
He can pretty much play wherever he wants. Even teams that don't have the space can do what they need to create some (just like in 2010 when the Cavs were basically forced to comply with S&T'ing Lebron)
I would think Wade opts out, only because he's still a big name, and even if Miami doesn't want to give him a max, he could get it from somewhere else. The way his body seems to be breaking down, every passing season is a chance he loses at signing another big time max deal. That's why I'd guess that he opts out, but that could also mean having to leave Miami.
Having another super team in LA would be crazy though. Think about the way the Clippers are going, and then a Lebron team with the Lakers. Half the league's biggest stars would be in one city.
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Bird rights, for one.
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Wade and Bosh have massive deals up until 16. If lebron leaves, I could see them 2 staying in miami, and collecting their salaries, they wouldn't get elsewhere. It depends how much they want to give up in salary to win more championships. Carmello could opt out next summer as well.
Okay, so you're saying those two wouldn't opt out at the same time Lebron and Melo might opt out because they could keep their huge salaries in Miami instead of taking less because of their perceived drop in talent value or super team money sharing problems in LA. Okay, fair point.
Like I said about Wade, I could see him staying in Miami because it was "his" team to begin with, he's got three titles and his family lives there (and come on, it's Miami).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap
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Having another super team in LA would be crazy though. Think about the way the Clippers are going, and then a Lebron team with the Lakers. Half the league's biggest stars would be in one city.
The NBA would droooooooool for that scenario. Heck, they'd move the Clippers into the Eastern conference temporarily just to force an all LA Finals. 
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If Wade isn't sure he'd get a big deal elsewhere, why would he opt out of his Heat deal?
He has player options of $20 million in 2014, and $21 million in 2016. He'd be a fee agent in 2016. He'll be 34 when his current contract expires. Who is going to go max for a longer term to sign him, especially with the way his body seems to be breaking down?
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you would think Wade gets another max deal? He will be 33 in the 1st year of that contract. I can't see a team doing that, but the knicks gave one to amare with bad knees. I think the lakers are in the drivers seat with Kobe. Similar to the yankees with Jeter a few years back. He will be 36 next summer. Depending on how he performs after a serious injury, the market could be very slim for him, so the Lakers could be very well be his only option, just like it was for Jeter.
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Wade and Bosh have massive deals up until 16. If lebron leaves, I could see them 2 staying in miami, and collecting their salaries, they wouldn't get elsewhere. It depends how much they want to give up in salary to win more championships. Carmello could opt out next summer as well.
Okay, so you're saying those two wouldn't opt out at the same time Lebron and Melo might opt out because they could keep their huge salaries in Miami instead of taking less because of their perceived drop in talent value or super team money sharing problems in LA. Okay, fair point.
Like I said about Wade, I could see him staying in Miami because it was "his" team to begin with, he's got three titles and his family lives there (and come on, it's Miami).
The other question is, does Lebron want to play with Wade beyond next season? The guy is going to get paid big, yet gets away with showing up just a few times in the playoffs. Everyone is so busy picking Lebron apart and destroying him for any bad game, that nobody even thinks to question the fact that Wade hasn't been at a superstar level in at least 2-3 years.
I think the general consensus is that Lebron left because he thought he couldn't get it done, at least as much as he thought it would be awesome to play with his 2 buddies. Couldn't you say he would want similar logic this time around when maybe Dwyane Wade could bring him down with a hefty contract and a game that doesn't back it up?
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If Wade isn't sure he'd get a big deal elsewhere, why would he opt out of his Heat deal?
He has player options of $20 million in 2014, and $21 million in 2016. He'd be a fee agent in 2016. He'll be 34 when his current contract expires. Who is going to go max for a longer term to sign him, especially with the way his body seems to be breaking down?
I think that's Alpoe19's point. Wade can earn more by staying the extra two years, not opting out, and then padding on another decent contract to finish his career. If he opts out, he lose that guaranteed cash, and be signing a contract based on his 2014 knees, which won't command $41 milllion. Right?
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If Wade isn't sure he'd get a big deal elsewhere, why would he opt out of his Heat deal?
He has player options of $20 million in 2014, and $21 million in 2016. He'd be a fee agent in 2016. He'll be 34 when his current contract expires. Who is going to go max for a longer term to sign him, especially with the way his body seems to be breaking down?
That's what I wonder. I think right now he'd still get close to a max, only because it's the NBA and these GM's sometimes forget (or don't care) about the consequences. Right now doesn't matter though. He has a whole year to play, and possibly break down more. If the same thing happens where he keeps having to get his knees drained and vanishing in playoff games, will someone be dumb enough then? I think someone is dumb enough right now, but a year from now is a long time.
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Also, can someone who knows please explain to me how an NBA team can sign free agents and go way over the cap? I thought that their cap was somewhat firm, though you could go over to resign one player, or something like that. (plus the exceptions built into the CBA) I don't know how these teams wind up with a $58 million cap, and a $75 payroll, with more than the cap tied up in 3 players. Maybe someone can explain the various dodges and tactics teams use to go way over the salary cap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap
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A couple things about that though ... If I remember correct, the "Bird Rights" mean that the player's salary counts against the cap, until a point where the player resigns a contract or the team just waives the Bird Rights. So that means, the Lakers can't sign two free-agents to the max, and then turn around and use Bird Rights to sign Kobe to a contract that puts them way over the cap.
So unless everyone agrees to play for $8M each, I don't see how the Lakers sign any more than maybe 2 big-time free agents ... and that includes Kobe.
We'd actually be in a better position, because all of our younger guys are still on rookie deals. We could offer max contracts to two free agents and get them under the cap. Then when the contracts of Kyrie and co expire, we could just resign them to bigger contracts, and use those exemptions to go way over the cap.
Listening to the Laker fans out here on talk radio is nauseating though. They think that players will sign for them just because "They're the Lakers". Who cares if a team has a better chance to compete now or can offer more money, or any "petty" thing like that ... it's the Lakers! Purple and Gold and stuff, how could you not want to play for them? They're all completely mind blown that Dwight would turn down a chance to play for them rather than go to a better situation in Houston.
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Yea if Lebron opts out, the cavs are by far his best destination. Even if Bynum flops, we have a young caore that is probably just as good as Houston's, if not better. Would Lebron want to go to La to play with an aging Kobe, who wants to chuck it up 30 times a game.? Even if he gets Bosh to come with him to La, I think the best basketball fit would be in Cleveland.
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Listening to the Laker fans out here on talk radio is nauseating though. They think that players will sign for them just because "They're the Lakers". Who cares if a team has a better chance to compete now or can offer more money, or any "petty" thing like that ... it's the Lakers! Purple and Gold and stuff, how could you not want to play for them? They're all completely mind blown that Dwight would turn down a chance to play for them rather than go to a better situation in Houston.
I get the same feeling when Cleveland fans talk about LeBron coming back in 2014.
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Even though I'm not a basketball fan, I can tell you it's totally different.
Lakers fans are nauseating.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I don't hear too many Cleveland fans saying it's a done deal. Most just know it's possible. Just like with Bynum, guarded optimism. Probably even less optimism than the Bynum situation. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody is crossing the line of ridiculousness.
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Even if LeBron came back to Cleveland (which he's not, sorry everyone)... The Cavs winning a title with LeBron would be bittersweet at this point.
I disliked LeBron when he was in Cleveland, and I've come to hate him even more since he's been gone.
Winning a title with that crybaby punk on the roster would be bittersweet for me...
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Even if LeBron came back to Cleveland (which he's not, sorry everyone)... The Cavs winning a title with LeBron would be bittersweet at this point.
I disliked LeBron when he was in Cleveland, and I've come to hate him even more since he's been gone.
Winning a title with that crybaby punk on the roster would be bittersweet for me...
I don't really care. I just want to win. I'd take Art Modell's rotten corpse if it meant the Browns could make the Super Bowl.
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That's where it's different for me, though. I'm a fan of the Cavs, but I don't live and die with them like I do with some of my other teams. I definitely see your point, cuz I'd take a Kentucky basketball championship even if it meant Hitler was coaching 
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I don't hear too many Cleveland fans saying it's a done deal. Most just know it's possible. Just like with Bynum, guarded optimism. Probably even less optimism than the Bynum situation. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody is crossing the line of ridiculousness.
dude, you don't know anything. this was all a ploy from the start. LeBron gets to build his resume further, become a global icon, win a bunch of rings, then, once we build up a young corps worthy of the king from the flaming wreckage he left behind, he can come back and become the chosen one once again for our franchise. heck, I hear LRMR actually wrote that comic sans letter.
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That's where it's different for me, though. I'm a fan of the Cavs, but I don't live and die with them like I do with some of my other teams. I definitely see your point, cuz I'd take a Kentucky basketball championship even if it meant Hitler was coaching
well, you have Mussolini, close enough, right?
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If Wade isn't sure he'd get a big deal elsewhere, why would he opt out of his Heat deal?
I guarantee some team would give Wade more than $41 million if he opted out of his contract.
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If Wade isn't sure he'd get a big deal elsewhere, why would he opt out of his Heat deal?
I guarantee some team would give Wade more than $41 million if he opted out of his contract.
For 2 years?
I'm not sure he gets anywhere near the max if he opts out of his deal next year .... at least not if he continues to deteriorate as he did this past year.
I'm not saying that he's not still a pretty good player, because he is. I do question whether or not he's a max contract type player .... and specifically whether or not he'll be that quality of player after next season. He did not look as explosive this year as he did in prior seasons. His quickness didn't seem to be the same as in the past. He can still shoot, but I don't see him creating as much as in the past. He also seems to have slipped as far as his range goes. He seems to have really dropped off as far as 3 point shooting goes.
Again, I'm not saying that he's not still a good player, but you pay a max contract to a great player who you expect to remain great. If he declines over the next year as he did over the past year ..... does he project as a 4-5 year max contract type player the following off-season? I don't think so. If not, then what sense does it make for him to give up the guaranteed 2 years max money he has coming from Miami?
It would be like Kirilenko giving up his $10 million player option to sign for the mid level exception. Instead of $10 million for this season, he will make $3.2 million this year and next. (with his player's option) I could see a similar situation with Wade, though probably with somewhat higher numbers.
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Now, on a far, far more serious note: Baron Davis says he was abducted by aliens about two weeks ago - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on...t-two-weeks-agoFormer New York Knicks guard Baron Davis has been a lot of places thanks to his professional career. He's been able to tour all over the United States and has traveled the world as an NBA player. He's translated a lucrative career with six franchises into incredible artistic opportunities with gaming and with the entertainment industry. According to Davis during a podcast interview with THE CHAMPS, he might have also been to a spaceship recently. At the very least, he says he was with aliens when he was abducted on a drive from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. Via the New York Post: “I was actually abducted by aliens two weeks ago,” Davis said. When probed for details, he explained he was driving from Las Vegas to Los Angeles in the early morning recently and this is what happened: “I see this light and it's a big a—truck. And I said, oh f---- this is going to be traffic,” Davis said.  riving, driving and the next thing you know there's a steel thing and these crazy looking people – half human, half ugly-looking mother f-----s. “They were poking me on the nose, looking at my eyes, they had my hands tied and the next thing you know I was in Montabello dude, burning rubber on the way back to L.A. at 4 o'clock in the morning.” The weird part of this story to me is that Davis was driving from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. I get that it's only about a 3 1/2 to 4-hour drive, but it just seems like if he was going to enjoy his time there, he'd catch a quick flight so he could have plenty of rest and recovery. Sure, the entire part about Davis being abducted by aliens seems strange, but the fact that he drove from Vegas to Los Angeles just doesn't add up to me.
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Wade would be guaranteed $41 million according to your numbers. If he opted out he could get more than $41 million guaranteed. It wouldn't be over two years, but he could get more. Opting out is the smart move most of the time, unless you are injured. If Wade goes on the market healthy at age 32 he can/will get a max deal. Especially with teams like the Lakers, Mavericks, and Heat competing to sign him (there will be quite a few other teams with tons of cap space as well).
Al Jefferson just got three years $40.5 million. Wade will opt out and get paid.
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Wade would be guaranteed $41 million according to your numbers. If he opted out he could get more than $41 million guaranteed. It wouldn't be over two years, but he could get more. Opting out is the smart move most of the time, unless you are injured. If Wade goes on the market healthy at age 32 he can/will get a max deal. Especially with teams like the Lakers, Mavericks, and Heat competing to sign him (there will be quite a few other teams with tons of cap space as well).
Al Jefferson just got three years $40.5 million. Wade will opt out and get paid.
Let's say that Wade continues to slip, especially with his outside shot. (and from 3 point range) Let's say that he loses another half step. Let's say he struggles with some injuries, even "minor" ones. I just don't see him getting a max deal at 32 with his game in decline. With the new CBA hitting teams in the luxury tax with a 3-1 tax, that's a hard deal t offer to a guy who will be 33, 34, 35, 36, and maybe 37 years old during the deal.
If Wade only gets a 2 year deal, then why change teams? If he gets a 2 year deal with a 3rd year guarantee, then does that improve his lot? What about 3rd and 4th year team options?
I suppose that all it takes is one team to throw around ridiculous money for an older player though. I just don't see him getting a long term max deal.
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I suppose that all it takes is one team to throw around ridiculous money for an older player though. I just don't see him getting a long term max deal.
You know what league we are talking about, right?
Joe Johnson is going to make $21+ million next season.
JaVale McGee is going to make $10.75 million.
Amar'e Stoudemire is going to make $21+ million.
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Let's say that Wade continues to slip
Wade has never been a good three point shooter (.317 is his highest percentage in his career).
In 2012-13 Wade shot .521 from the field. The best percentage of his career.
In 2008-09 (probably Wade's best season) he shot .404 on jump shots. In 2012-13 he shot .388 on jump shots. (Link for 08-09, Link for 12-13)
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Let's say that Wade continues to slip
Wade has never been a good three point shooter (.317 is his highest percentage in his career).
In 2012-13 Wade shot .521 from the field. The best percentage of his career.
In 2008-09 (probably Wade's best season) he shot .404 on jump shots. In 2012-13 he shot .388 on jump shots. (Link for 08-09, Link for 12-13)
Lately, most people's opinions on Wade are limited to the last six games he played.
And even working within those parameters, I don't get it.
Look at his box scores in the Finals. The way people talk, you'd think he was abysmal.
I think a lot of people want to grasp at straws to convince themselves that the Heat are falling apart.
I"m not saying that Wade's a spring chicken, but he's not as close to the end of the line as so many portray.
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The Spurs were begging Wade to hit jump shots. They were giving him the Rondo treatment. And much of the time he was bypassing freebie 15 footers.
I have to agree that looks to be in decline and I wouldn't be going anywhere the next two years. Cash those checks homie!
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In 2010-11, he took 206 3 point shots.
In 2012-13, he took 60. His attempts weer also way down in 2011-12. The court seems to be contracting for Wade. His range is not what it once was. I realize that part of the fact that his 3 point attempts have gone down is that he has Lebron and Bosh down low to go to .....but he's still not the same, aggressive shooter he once was. His shooting circle has shrunk. He doesn't create his own shot as well as he did earlier in his career. Like I said, he's not horrible, or even bad ,,, he's just not the same player he once was. He's 31 years old. That's bound to happen. I don't think that he'll be the same player at 32/33 as he is today. He does seem to be fading, slowly but surely.
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So he's not good because stopped doing something he wasn't good at?
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He's less good than he used to be because his range is shrinking.
He's not bad, and I have said that repeatedly. He's just on the decline.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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But his range isn't shrinking because he is less good, it is shrinking because he knows he stinks at jump shots.
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