DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Cleveland Browns' Barkevious Mingo, due to report Friday, still unsigned

If your sold on and honestly believe that who you picked at #5 deserved to be picked at #5, there should be no reason to leverage for it in the deal.

Unless your doubting your pick's potential.

From the other angle, if the player is sold on and honestly believes he absolutely will not bust but will finish his original contract and beyond to a good career he should have no problem accepting the offset language that he knows in his heart will never come into play.

I would love an explanation why a player should get paid by his old team for not playing for them while at the same time getting paid by his new team.

If he signs a 4 year deal for $20M that's $5M a year. If he gets cut after year 3 he is still entitled to the $5M that is remaining of his original contract whether he plays anywhere or not. No problem so far as it was a guaranteed contract.

Now, some other team decides to take a chance on him and signs him to a 3 year/$3M contract. Without the offset language he will now get paid $5M from his old team, which was the remaining from his old contract, and now $1M by his new team. His first year of his new contract he makes $6M. That's $1M more than his original, big, guaranteed deal.

All the offset language does is require that the old team only pay the difference between his old contract and the new one. So his old team pays $4M because his new team pays $1M and $4M is the difference between his new deal and the original contract.

The player still makes $5M in his 4th season just as he would have had he not busted and been cut in the first place. He loses no money. In fact, since he took a pretty hefty pay cut because he was deemed a bust and cut from his old deal and couldn't get anyone to pay him more than $1M, which says he wasn't worth the $5M per year in the first place.

As shown earlier, by not having the offset language he makes $6M of which $1M is from his old team for whom he contributes absolutely nothing.

So why should he make more per year than his original deal ($5M) when neither his old team nor his new team thinks he was worth the $5M to begin with?

I passed that bar exam by the way. One day here soon I'll roll up in my new Bentley and we'll go have a drink and discuss this further.

I get it. the answer is that they have to make as much money as they can in there short football life. I really get both sides of it and really there is no right or wrong that I see.

good news for the browns. Now Mingo's deal should fall into place.

To my knowledge most of those players were traded intstead of cut. Which I think is a different scenario with the new team adopting the salary ( I think).

This is not a big deal mingo probably wont get 7 sacks this year.

Maybe I'm just dense, but doesn't the offset just benefit the player?

e.g. Browns draft Busty McBust to a $5 mill per year deal. He doesn't make a single tackle and assaults the team owner and head coach in the parking lot. He is released, but Al Davis' rotting corpse loves the guy, but only for $1 mill/yr.

Browns pay $4 mill, Raiders pay $1 mill, and Busty still gets $5 mill. Is this inaccurate?

Yes. Busty double dips earning $5M from Browns AND $1M from Raider.

Thus earning $6M instead of just 5.

I told you we shouldn't have drafted Busty, but you wouldn't listen.

Strip club Busty, yes. Football player Busty, no.

I hope Strip Club Busty stays in Cleveland. I want to hang out with him.

I sincerely hope Mingo signs in time to not miss any training camp reps, and I don't care who gives in on the offset language in negotiations.

Will offset language for No.3 Jordan and No. 4 Johnson put pressure on the Browns' Barkevious Mingo?

While the Browns and No. 6 overall pick Barkevious Mingo are still at odds over offset language in his contract, the No. 3 and No. 4 picks both signed contracts today with the provision included.

No. 3 overall pick Dion Jordan, the defensive end from the Dolphins, and No. 4 overall pick Lane Johnson, the offensive tackle from the Eagles, both have offset language in their fully-guaranteed contracts, according to multiple reports. In exchange, Johnson will receive his entire signing bonus within 15 days according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, and Jordan will receive his bonus on a quicker payout, according to the Palm Beach Post.

Jordan received a four-year deal worth $20.6 million, including a $13.3 million signing bonus, according to the Post. Johnson received $19.853 million, including a $12.818 million signing bonus.

The two signings may put pressure on Mingo to include offset language in his deal and get into camp on time. The rest of the Browns' rookies reported on Friday, and the first full-squad practice in Thursday at 4 p.m. The Browns want offset language and Mingo's camp does not.

The No. 2, No. 5 and No. 8 overall picks -- Jaguars offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Lions defensive end Ziggy Ansah and Rams receiver Tavon Austin -- have no such language in their contracts.

The offset provision means that a team would only have to pay the difference in salaries in the event a player is let go and signs with someone else before their fully guaranteed contract expires.

“We’re very excited to have all of our draft picks ready to go for the start of training camp,” Eagles G.M. Howie Roseman said in a release. “I give Lane and his agent, Ken Sarnoff, a lot of credit for their work in getting this deal complete. Both had stated to us how important it was to get this deal signed before the rookies report on Monday and they kept their word. We’re all looking forward to watch Lane get his NFL career started.”

Jordan’s agent, Doug Hendrickson told the Palm Beach Post, “it was critical for (Jordan) to be at camp on time. It was clear to me that he wanted to be there from the start.''

The Dolphins also secured offset language last year for quarterback Ryan Tannehill, the No. 8 overall pick. They were the only team in the top nine to obtain it.

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Just saw this on FB and the official site saying MIngo has signed.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...d8-b0deed894a9d

Just heard on Fox 8 news....Mingo signed...done and DONE.
This signing takes care of all of our Rookies.

Glad our FO sucks so much...that we got all signed n in camp on time!
The Hate Banner crowd got to eat some crow - Ya think

It's a four year, $16 million deal.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ult#incart_2box


CLEVELAND -- Browns first-round pick Barkevious Mingo signed his four-year contract today with a club option for a fifth year, the team announced.

The Browns now have all of their draft picks under contract

The deal is worth more a little more than $16 million a league source said, and the Browns were able to obtain offset language in the contract. His signing bonus is in the $10 million range.

In exchange for the offset language, Mingo will receive his entire signing bonus between now and the end of the year, a league source said.

The two sides actually agreed to the deal at about 3 a.m.

"Keke said he wanted to be in on time, so we got the deal done,'' said agent Jeff Guerriero in a text message. "He will be ready to go at 7 a.m. He's glad to get the contract behind him and ready to work!''

Offset language means the team of origin would only have to pay the difference in salary in the event the player is released and signs with a new team before his rookie contract expires.

Mingo received a slight increase over last year's No. 6 overall pick, Morris Claiborne, his former LSU teammate. Claiborne, a cornerback, received a fully-guaranteed four-year deal from the Cowboys worth a total of $16.26 million, including a $10.3 million signing bonus. Claiborne does not have offset language in his contract.

Mingo may have felt pressure to get his deal done after No. 3 overall pick Dion Jordan, the defensive end from the Dolphins, and No. 4 overall pick Lane Johnson, the offensive tackle from the Eagles, signed Saturday with offset language in their full-guaranteed contracts, according to multiple reports.

In exchange, Johnson will receive his entire signing bonus within 15 days according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, and Jordan will receive his bonus on a quicker payout, according to the Palm Beach Post.

Jordan received a four-year deal worth $20.6 million, including $13.3 million guaranteed, according to the Post. Johnson received $19.853 million, including $12.818 million guaranteed.

Mingo only missed the first two days of the rookies-only portion of training camp. The rest of the Browns' rookies reported on Friday, and the first full-squad practice in Thursday at 4 p.m.

The No. 2, No. 5 and No. 8 overall picks -- Jaguars offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Lions defensive end Ziggy Ansah and Rams receiver Tavon Austin -- have no offset language in their contracts.

Mingo's timely arrival means he can get down to the business of cracking the starting lineup, which won't be easy. He left minicamp as a second-stringer behind starters Paul Kruger and Jabaal Sheard, and might be part of a rotation at the position.

"Right now the other two guys are better,'' said outside linebackers coach Brian Baker during minicamp. "So yeah, whether I'm supposed to say it or not. Every place I've been I've always played the best guys and played those guys in the best positions. So if Barkevious beats one of those guys out, he'll be a starter. Until then, they're the starters.''

Mingo, who had 12-1/2 sacks in his last two seasons, has every intention of starting the opener against Miami Sept. 8.

"I'm very determined,'' said Mingo during minicamp. "That's the goal. That should be everybody's goal. You want to play, you want to help the team win, but you've got to put in the work.''

He's already gotten a taste of how tough it will be to crack the top two.

"Exactly,'' he said. "Those are some big-time guys. It's a learning curve. I've been thrown into a different position. Time will tell what the coaches think.''

But Mingo would rather earn it than inherit the job from his first-round pedigree.

"You don't want anything given to you,'' he said. "So you earn the respect and put in the work to get what you want.''

For now, Mingo is just eager to start hitting again.

“I’m very excited to get it out the way, just get it started,'' he said. "I'm just ready to put on the pads and show the coaches what us as a class and me personally, what we’re made of, being able to compete and earn a spot on the team.”

Anyone else curious, Does the contract have offset language?

Someone said get this thread back on track. I thought Busty and Barkevious were at least synonymous.

Mingo is probably, going to be nothing special. I may be caught up in the fact he is a 1st round pick,(and have inflated hopes), but I doubt he surpasses in his 1st 3 years anything that Dqwell or Sheard did in each of their 1st 3 years and neither of them were a 1st round pick.

Honestly I have to be disappointed in this offseason, I think we, ( well at least some who think like me) will look back on this year as a beginning of the talent drop. If I take off the Brown and Orange goggles for a second, the best player addition this offseason is arguably Mingo, because the Free Agents are not 22,or23 years old. The second best is arguably Krueger, and he does have the potential to show that he was only excellent in the situation he came from.
The disappointing thing for me is that,
there was a legitimate opportunity to get one offensive playmaker more than they have today, somewhere in the draft or the offseason, and it's an ongoing problem.
Is this a bash of the new regime maybe, but they don't have the opportunity to show they can win more than they lose yet. They have had the opportunity to show their commitment to winning by matching the offensive additions of other teams, and it's only partially been done.

Article above says it does

We've had holdouts during camp before.

The guy is here. It's good news.

j/c

I thought the OLB coach's comment about Mingo being behind the other two players was very interesting. That was a brutally honest assessment and I will be shocked if Mingo starts a game this season (barring injury). In fact, I'd have to say Mingo is our 4th best OLB at this point because Groves has a big advantage on him.

I thought that Coach Baker's comments were refreshingly candid. At the same time I can't draw any conclusion about Mingo's final place on the depth chart from what he said. I think Mingo is right on schedule for a player who is coming into his 1st TC, making a position change and competing with players who have actual game experience. Add to that, the pads are just now going on.

Just re-read the post since Mingo's signing was announced. So let me be the first board member to say, Congratulations Mingo! Welcome to the Browns! And get to work !

I just want to say good luck, Barkevious. We're all counting on you.

Welcome the Browns, Mr. Mingo. Now, get your ass to work! We need double digit sacks from you.

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It's also a LOT easier to get everyone in on time these days with the new rookie wage scale, so it's not like this is some major accomplishment.

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True.

I may be sensitive about this issue, but there are a lot of posters who seemingly are looking for reasons to bad-mouth the FO--as we noticed in earlier in this thread. However, they don't have anything good to say when we have all our guys in.