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Suspension starts Thursday... so A-Rod is in the line-up tonight... playing 3rd, batting 4th, pleading the 5th...
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I would agree except that it would help the Yankees. I cannot agree with anything that helps the Yankees  Also, once a player becomes a anchor on the payroll, it'd be awfully tempting to have the waterboy slip something into his drink 
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and, yet, Pete Rose still cannot get into the HoF.
Baseball is a freaking joke.
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Hmm.. I know my thoughts / Costa's aren't perfect.. what other ideas can we try? And what about this.. What if a team is caught doping a player to get rid of a contract? 3 year post season ban? And how would that work?
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What if a team is caught doping a player to get rid of a contract?
I was joking, but if a team did try to do so and got caught, I don't think you'd really even need to punish them. Take away the next couple 1st rounders to show the players you won't tolerate it + hefty fine. But, the real punishment would be players deathly afraid to ever consider signing with that team again. They would almost have to sell the team and replace everybody.
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What if a team is caught doping a player to get rid of a contract?
I was joking, but if a team did try to do so and got caught, I don't think you'd really even need to punish them. Take away the next couple 1st rounders to show the players you won't tolerate it + hefty fine. But, the real punishment would be players deathly afraid to ever consider signing with that team again. They would almost have to sell the team and replace everybody.
Come to think over your response.. I'm agreed. That would be a dealth penalty for that FO, possibly ownership. I would refuse to sign with that club.
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and, yet, Pete Rose still cannot get into the HoF.
Baseball is a freaking joke.
Betting on baseball was a rule before, during and after Rose put on a jersey. The zero tolerance penalty of lifetime banishment was well known by Rose but that didn't stop him from doing the deed. The punishment fits the crime. Good riddance on his lying ash.
And if someone comes along and test positive three times, he'll be banished for life too. It fits.
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Yeah.... but he just gambled.
These guys are outright, blatantly cheating.... and they get slaps on the wrist from the league followed by big contracts, awards and adulations.
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Rose will get into the Hall of Fame.
It will happen when he's on his deathbed or after he dies.
Seems silly to prolong it, but I understand it to an extent.
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He knew the rules. He knew the punishment. That is the one rule everyone knows you don't break in all sports. He did, he's gone.
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How about instead of paying the player that money they still have to pay it out but to one of MLB's charities and that money still counts against them for luxury tax purposes etc
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Most of the time teams don't know about players PED use. A-Rod signed the giant contract with the Yankees in 2007 and was outed as a PED user in 2009. Everyone thought he was the clean guy who would get all the records back.
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Rose will get into the Hall of Fame.
It will happen when he's on his deathbed or after he dies.
Seems silly to prolong it, but I understand it to an extent.
Joe Jackson has been off his death bed and in the ground since 1951, and he isn't. A .356 average over his 13-14 year career.
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How about instead of paying the player that money they still have to pay it out but to one of MLB's charities and that money still counts against them for luxury tax purposes etc
Yeah not sure the right thing here as it pertains to PEDs.
What would prevent a team like the Yankees in the midst of a terrible long term contract from spiking a waterbottle with PEDs to jettison a player?
When we're talking about 10s and 100s of millions it comes into play for sure.
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Yeah.... but he just gambled.
These guys are outright, blatantly cheating.... and they get slaps on the wrist from the league followed by big contracts, awards and adulations.
Cheating is part of sports. From spitballs, to stealing signs, holds in football, flopping in basketball, or anything else you can think of, it's normal. I'm not saying it's right, but it's sports, someone will always find an edge (chemical or not).
As for a slap on the wrist, Braun had his reputation destroyed and got fined $3.something million. That's hardly a slap on the wrist. And ARod will lose $~40million, a HOF spot, his legacy and won't get to finish his career. Sure, they get to keep the rest of the contract, but that's because the CBA and contracts haven't been changed in the PED era. Eventually, they'll put wording into the contracts to void them or make them X% less. This is still new to MLB, they'll get it right years from now, I hope.
As for Rose, again, he belongs right where he is. The rule and punishment is crystal clear. Bet on baseball and MLB catches you, you're gone forever. No playing, no managing, no HOF, no radio, no TV...nothing. So I don't get why people want him in the HOF. I used to think MLB would put him in as a player after he died, but I don't think so now. I think he's like Shoeless Joe, like another poster said, he's in baseball Hell for eternity.
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Ridiculous. Come on Perez.
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Without getting an out.
Destroys a great outing by Kluber and turns a 2 game deficit into 4 games. Jerk.
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Ugh.  That was an ugly end to a very good game.  Kluber certainly deserved better.
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words cannot even describe that 9th inning, but I'll try. Chris Perez shouldn't have been out there a 3rd straight game, but he's got to be better than that. not only giving up the 2 run lead, but giving them their own 2 run lead in a freaking flash. We were walking batters, giving up 1B on SOs (Santana!), and doing everything we could to just give up. I half-expected Prince to hit a grand slam his 2nd time up in the 9th just to end the misery. Instead, we got to witness our guys come up and feebly go 1-2-3 to end things. that was about the worst way we could have started this series and I'm leaving all of this terrible 1 paragraph formatting because that's just how I feel right now (cluttered and rambling).
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Just Wow.
Maybe Terry will think again sending Perez to the mound three days in a row...even Acta did.
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I stopped playing baseball at age like 13 or 14, so all my baseball playing days were pretty much crappy little league games that nobody cared for.
So like, how does Perez even look Kluber in the face after that performance? Guy went out and gave you a gem. 10 guys contributed to that performance (8 position players, Kluber, Smith) then 1 guy comes in and shreds it to dust (I realize Santana lost a bal in the dirt but I think that's irrelevant after the way that turned out, Perez was terrified to even put the ball over the plate)
I've given up game winning goals all the time, it's always tough to go back into that locker room, whether I just flat out got beat, or the defense let me down, but tonight was Perez's fault, all his fault. Not the team's, not Francona's, only Perez.
I saw the graphic they put up when Perez was warming up, He had pitched 5 of the last 7 days, a few times throwing 20 + pitches. It was his 3rd straight day out there. You have to know that you can't go out there, you can't put that on your manager. It's your arm. Awful. That kind of loss can deflate a team. We'll find out soon if they are still this resilient bunch.
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Who cares what Kluber thinks? He let the whole team down, not just one guy.
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bottom line is we have to hope we go on a tear and detroit implodes, not a snowballs chance at beating them head to head..Say what you want about pitching, yeah perez had no business out there, but you aren;t going to beat too many contenders scoring 2 runs. meanwhile our 56million dollar man is hitting sub 250 and we don't have a single player hitting over .300. That don't sound like a contending team. It seems to be feast or famine with the bats..i'd give up the 10+run games for a consistent 5-7 run games
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Don't look at the batting average. That is not a good way to judge an offense.
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we have the 5th best offense in MLB by runs/game
8th best by offensive WAR
and the runs/game is helped out alot by the 2nd most SB in MLB
we have been hot/cold at times, but our offense has been very good this year
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On Wednesday, Blue Jays pitcher J.A. Happ will make his first major league start since May 7, when a line drive off the bat of Desmond Jennings fractured his skull, and the ensuing fall caused a sprain of his right knee.
I thought for sure he was gone for the year (at least) when I saw it. Kudos to him working hard on his recovery and best wishes in his first start back.
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Who cares what Kluber thinks? He let the whole team down, not just one guy.
The pitcher win is one of the most irrelevant stats in sports.
I'm just talking man to man. Guy goes out and gives you the pitching performance you need, and then you come out and blow it all up. I wasn't thinking pitching stat W as much as overall team W.
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I am really glad I missed watching this game or I would have been super angry. Personally I think it's about time we look at Pestano or someone else as the closer. I mean really, you come in at a pivotal time and just blow it like that? I hope he was booed like crazy.
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I am really glad I missed watching this game or I would have been super angry. Personally I think it's about time we look at Pestano or someone else as the closer. I mean really, you come in at a pivotal time and just blow it like that? I hope he was booed like crazy.
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I am really glad I missed watching this game or I would have been super angry. Personally I think it's about time we look at Pestano or someone else as the closer. I mean really, you come in at a pivotal time and just blow it like that? I hope he was booed like crazy.
you haven't watched much this year at all if you think Pestano is the answer.
Perez has actually been phenomenal since coming off the DL. But, he had nothing last night and it showed.
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True, I haven't watched as many games this year as I would've liked. If what you said about Pestano is true than hopefully this was just a mistake by Perez. It's not like he can be perfect all the time but the circumstances and the loss are upsetting.
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True, I haven't watched as many games this year as I would've liked. If what you said about Pestano is true than hopefully this was just a mistake by Perez. It's not like he can be perfect all the time but the circumstances and the loss are upsetting.
Pestano has been so bad that they sent him down to Columbus
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Some local media types are saying Francona shouldn't have tried to use Perez for the third time in 3 days. I don't think that so much, although I do think it was clear he had nothing after a hitter or two. If I have a criticism of Francona its that he stays with guys too long after it becomes apparent they don't have it. Rzepczynski should have been warming up to start the inning, especially knowing that the Tigers had Fielder, V Martinez, Dirks, Avila coming up - all lefties except VM. Once Fielder doubled and Victor singled, Perez needed to be replaced. There's no proving this, but I KNEW Avila was going deep when he stepped to the plate. Guy is hitting .199, and Perez threw him a crush-me fastball because he couldn't throw strikes. Its a movie I've seen enough times to be sick of, thats for sure.
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Avila has been on a tear the last 2 weeks too. He's hitting .325/.386/.650 w/ 3HRs and 4x2B.
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True, I haven't watched as many games this year as I would've liked. If what you said about Pestano is true than hopefully this was just a mistake by Perez. It's not like he can be perfect all the time but the circumstances and the loss are upsetting.
Pestano has been so bad that they sent him down to Columbus
I hope that he is able to get his arm and stuff right while he's down there. Hopefully he pitches 3-4 times per week while he's down there, so we can try to get his stuff back on track, and get his velocity back.
If we could somehow get Pestano back to last years normal, it would be an enormous help to our playoff hopes.
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All the more reason to go with a matchup approach. The Tigers were in the lefty-heavy part of their lineup. It was a must win situation - a 2 game swing - and Tito needed to be more hands-on than he was last night. It didn't help to replace Perez after it was 4-2 Tigers.
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I don't think he should have put him out there in the first place (not only 3 straight but 5 in 7 games). But, once he did, he should have pulled the trigger on the change once it was clear he didn't have his stuff. Putting men on 1st and 2nd after already giving up 1 run was plenty of time to have Allen warmed and ready.
Ah well, time to go get them tonight. Hopefully, we continue our mastery of Verlander this year.
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.. " I don't think he should have put him out there in the first place (not only 3 straight but 5 in 7 games). But, once he did, he should have pulled the trigger on the change once it was clear he didn't have his stuff.."
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