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I dunno about "dumbest comment of the year so far", you or I might have made that one.  But to the poster to whom you were respondingm there are injuries that simply hurt yet can be played through. Injuries that the medical staff can look at, see the bruising and swelling and treat with a wrap, some meds and by keeping an "eye" on it. Then there's an injury that includes internal bleeding, (which is life threatening), that cannot be seen or touched nor can medical procedures be directly administered. Luckily in this day and age we have machines that can give us a picture of what's happening on the inside but even those are murky evidence causing the injury to be handled with much caution. He'll be back when he's cleared. I doubt very much it will effect his playing as he seems to not remember when it happened. If he took a huge blow to the chest which knocked his wind out he'll remember that and he'll remember the life threatening internal bleeding that came from it. That could make him tentative of another such hit. But since he doesn't know what actually caused it he'll likely play with the same abandon as he always has. I'm just hoping that it is not something that will occur again due to a physical problem when it comes to taking a big hit. Beyond hope I actually doubt it since he's played most of his life and this has never happened before and I'm positive he's taken more violent hits since he can't remember this one, if it even was a hit that caused it. I'm on board with this issue being an anomaly and with him being fine for years once he's cleared to play.
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It sure is a strange injury. A liver laceration would shut a person down for months, and usually comes from a violent blow. I don't really know why a lung would be different, that soft tissue would still need time to heal.
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It sure is a strange injury. A liver laceration would shut a person down for months, and usually comes from a violent blow. I don't really know why a lung would be different, that soft tissue would still need time to heal.
He'll be back when medically cleared.... i just wonder what criteria that would be, other then time....
I think I know the difference.. With a laceration, the liver is cut... as in open wound. I don't believe that's what happened to Mingos lung.. I believe it was referred to as a bruise. FWIW.
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Well, Ok,, maybe not the dumbest post this year, But it's in the running  you described it pretty well..
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News on Mingo from Joe Banner: Quote:
Browns CEO Joe Banner said rookie outside linebacker Barkevious Mingo will undergo further medical testing this week to determine whether he’ll be able to play Sunday in the regular-season opener against the visiting Miami Dolphins.
Mingo, the sixth overall pick in this year’s draft, practiced Monday for the first time since doctors diagnosed him with a bruised lung Aug. 15 during a preseason game against the Detroit Lions. He participated in team drills but was limited in practice. The Browns do not have practice today.
“I think that we’re pleased in how he’s doing and the fact that he’s back out on the field, limited, but back out on the field,” Banner told the Beacon Journal today during a wide-ranging interview about the state of the organization heading into a new season. “We’ll probably know in the next two to three days whether he’ll be able to play this week. We’re still hopeful, but we won’t know for sure until later in the week.”
Although Banner said Mingo will be subjected to more tests this week, he declined to specify exactly when they would be conducted.
Medical personnel examined Mingo on the sideline against the Lions because he said he was spitting up blood and experiencing shortness of breath. He was transported to the Cleveland Clinic’s main campus before the game ended and spent two nights in the hospital.
Mingo insisted he did not suffer any broken ribs and said he believes his lung was bruised during the opening kickoff against the Lions, but neither he nor the Browns have been able to identify a specific hit as the culprit. Despite the mystery surrounding the cause of the injury, Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said last week that the diagnosis for Mingo was still a bruised lung.
Banner was asked if he’s comfortable that the diagnosis of a bruised lung stands up and whether the possibility of a congenital disorder has been ruled out.
“Well, here’s what I’m comfortable with: We have absolutely the best of the best at Cleveland Clinic from emergency medicine to general medicine to pulmonary experts have evaluated this, and they’ve done every test that they’ve deemed appropriate,” Banner said. “And they’re very, very confident in where we’re at, and I have complete trust and faith in them.
“I’m not even remotely a doctor. I’ve never seen the injury before, and I’ve been in the league 19 years myself. But my confidence in them and the thoroughness of them evaluating every question that’s come up of all the possibilities -- that’s what they did – leaves me confident in their assessment and that they’ll make the right evaluation as to what it was and what it wasn’t and when the right time is to put him back out on the field.”
On Monday, Mingo backpedaled, sprinted around cones and caught passes during a linebackers drill. He warmed up with the team at the start of practice and then watched a punting drill from the sideline. He did not engage in contact during the 30-minute portion of practice open to the media.
Mingo, a backup right outside linebacker who’s expected to play a prominent role in pass-rushing situations, did not travel to either of the team’s final two preseason games. Last week, he began running and working out in the weight room, and Chudzinski said he responded well to those activities.
Mingo declined to answer questions Monday in the locker room. A Browns spokesman said Mingo won’t be made available to reporters until Friday, citing his uncertain status for Week 1 as the primary reason.
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Nothing really anything new, same ole mumbo jumbo all the other articles have stated. I don't get why anyone can't be more detailed. I am sick of dr "opinions" who aren't even testing him, and I am sick of the here-say and lack of detailed facts from those who are supposedly testing him. I mean stuff like this: "Although Banner said Mingo will be subjected to more tests this week, he declined to specify exactly when they would be conducted." ... pisses me off. Just effin tell us what the hell is wrong with the kid! 
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Who does it really benefit if they tell us what is going on?
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Nobody! and privacy is probably why the do it. that and wanting to keep this weeks opponent off base a little.
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miami.
im not worried about mingo, or the lack of information at all. any certainty about his status only helps miami. they either have to game plan for a player who wont be playing, or they have to decide not to gameplan for a guy who WILL be playing. i'd prefer that be the case, rather than them know he wont be playing, and focus their gameplanning against guys they will actually be playing.
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Mingo played in one preseason game, I doubt that was enough for Miami to declare they need to, or don't need to, game plan any for him. Besides he didn't even roll with the starters when he did play. They probably more worried about Groves than they would be Mingo.
Whether if the Brown's let us know or not, really likely doesn't affect how Miami will game plan against our defense I don't think. Ed Reed, RGIII and many more all were given the nod, why can't we just say Mingo will or won't be ready? I'm very confident the answer and health reasons are all available, they just need to be said/told. Instead, all we are told are smoke screen fluff crap.
All I want is an answer that is more "definitive" than what we've been told. Quite a long time has passed since the injury was reported - and we basically know now all we knew then. The more they fluff and ride it out with these low-level generic answers, the more I question is Mingo will even play at all this season or not. Running and cardio at practice is meaningless and not much of anything to base a status update on IMO.
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He has a bruised lung. He went from running to lifting weights to practicing with no contact. He is going to be tested further this week. What else/more could they tell us? Do you want his full medical record?
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Full medical record, no. But I still think there are things as to why it happened, concerns for future occurrences and so forth that be said/revealed that is specific for Mingo and his occurrence of this type of injury. Personally, I think the staff has already ruled him out for the Miami game. Just holding it in to tell the last minute. I am anticipating some really bad news to come out in the end, but that is just my gut talking.  Just "seems" a nasty detail or two is being hidden somewhere along the line...
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Do you think he would be practicing (albeit with no contact) if something was seriously wrong with him?
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I am anticipating some really bad news to come out in the end, but that is just my gut talking.
"Battered Dawg Syndrome," perhaps?
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Enough about Mingo. If he plays, he plays.
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Do you think he would be practicing (albeit with no contact) if something was seriously wrong with him?
I wouldn't call riding the treadmill and weight lifting "practicing". I don't even think he's running around/doing much cardio at all.
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Barkevious Mingo took a big step Monday toward playing in a game again when the rookie linebacker practiced in individual drills as the Browns started getting ready for the season opener Sunday against the Dolphins.
Mingo was limited in team drills in the session of practice closed to the media. He has been out since sustaining a bruised lung Aug. 15 in a preseason game against the Lions.
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I'm not sure what you are questioning.. Did I respond to you by mistake? if so, I'm sorry, that comment was meant for a different poster....
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Now that actually is *decent* news... thanks for the link, I didn't see that article that was posted yday. That does make me feel a lot better actually (not that it matters).  edit - actually the link you had posted mentioned he was running. I should have read it fully. Quote:
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They didn't seem very forthcoming on the details with Lava either until quite a while after the injury. It's not all that unusual. Some teams are pretty open about such things while some keep such things pretty close to the vest. I don't really consider it a big deal one way or the other. I'm sure we are all quite curious as to details, but I in no way feel the team "owes us" an explanation in regards to player injuries. JMHO I hope that didn't sound in any way like I am possibly "hating" on the FO or I'm sure I'll hear about it!
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Mingo played in one preseason game, I doubt that was enough for Miami to declare they need to, or don't need to, game plan any for him. Besides he didn't even roll with the starters when he did play. They probably more worried about Groves than they would be Mingo.
Whether if the Brown's let us know or not, really likely doesn't affect how Miami will game plan against our defense I don't think. Ed Reed, RGIII and many more all were given the nod, why can't we just say Mingo will or won't be ready? I'm very confident the answer and health reasons are all available, they just need to be said/told. Instead, all we are told are smoke screen fluff crap.
All I want is an answer that is more "definitive" than what we've been told. Quite a long time has passed since the injury was reported - and we basically know now all we knew then. The more they fluff and ride it out with these low-level generic answers, the more I question is Mingo will even play at all this season or not. Running and cardio at practice is meaningless and not much of anything to base a status update on IMO.
it all matters. if they know he is out for sure, then they are watching tape on sheard and groves. if they say he may be playing, then they are watching tape on him, groves, and sheard. he's a speed rusher, thats something they have to account for, and plan for differently than if he doesnt play.
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It's not all that unusual. Some teams are pretty open about such things while some keep such things pretty close to the vest.
I don't really consider it a big deal one way or the other.
I'm sure we are all quite curious as to details, but I in no way feel the team "owes us" an explanation in regards to player injuries.
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The list that truly believes I'm a hater has select reading skills and is a very, very short list. Possibly as short as one!
That may be true.. probably is in fact
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That may be true.. probably is in fact
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In full agreement. I could care less whether he is a rd 1 pick or an UDFA, the players well-being must come first...
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They made him 6 th choice for a reason, he's shown it, but they want a return on their investment too.....nearly a billion in head issues doesn't mean player's best is only thing important......GO Browns!!!!!
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In full agreement. I could care less whether he is a rd 1 pick or an UDFA, the players well-being must come first...
It's as it should be. They've invested heavy in him (not just money) and they need to be cautious..
I actually think that this situation is being handled correctly..
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It's not almost uncharted waters, it is uncharted waters.. No one has ever really heard of this injury before, and certainly the fact that there is no identifiable cause play makes it more perplexing.
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Truth is often stranger than fiction... The whole thing really is weird- and mildly disturbing. I'm not even sure how such a thing could happen. It had to be a freakish combination of angle, momentum and contact point for something like this to have happened. IIRC, Mingo himself has stated that he thinks he knows when it happened, but he isn't sure how it happened (corrections, if I'm wrong, please). _____________ This is why I do what I do for a living, and didn't pursue a life in the biomedical sciences... I can't imagine having to be the doc who clears this young man to retake the field. Not without some basic answers as to causation, at least. Don't forget- in this scenario, I'm a doctor- first and foremost. Chuck that choice for a living... I don't need the stress. __________ Putting myself in the role of coach, with no training or experience in the field, I'd: 1. Seriously spend some time thinking about his continued presence on ST (after all, he was hired for his skills as our LB...) 2. Insist on him wearing a custom-fitted flack jacket at all times. His position/role(s) sees a lot of contact... and not every collision will be under his total control. Many Dawgs expressed concern for his slight, long build at the position, and those concerns were not without merit, imo. (In all fairness, I do take note of the fact that his injury seems to have been sustained on a ST play, but let's be real about things here: contact is contact.) There was talk of him 'bulking up,' and the staff said: "Not gonna happen." So... here we are: with a high draft pick banged up in his first preseason. With a freak, "NFL Outlier" injury which nobody can pinpoint or explain. ...and the kid has just been cleared to me to reinsert into the game. (Again... I love my job because it's suited to me. I couldn't be a HC, either.) As coach, I'd be taking every precaution to protect not only my weekly game plan, but the company's investment, as well. .02
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Hey Clemmy.. I don't agree that he should be taken off special teams strictly for the reason of keeping him from getting injured. I mean, if you are worried about injuries, hell, that can happen on any given play on any given Sunday or for that matter any day they have practice. Maybe,, we should wrap them up in Bubble wrap to keep them safe Just kidding
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