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Jan. 1 Capital One Orlando Missouri (SEC No. 2) vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten No. 2)
This is wrong. If Ohio State is in the National Championship Game, the Big Ten #2 would be the representative in the Rose Bowl, which would be Michigan State, not Wisconsin.
That is the most obvious mistake. I didn't look into all the others, but I'm sure more errors could be found there. It is CNN/SI.
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Like I said....it looks like it takes the SEC to beat the SEC.
In two years, nobody has found a way to beat Ohio State. If they lose next week, it will have been a Big Ten team that'll have done it. 
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Jan. 1 Capital One Orlando Missouri (SEC No. 2) vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten No. 2)
This is wrong. If Ohio State is in the National Championship Game, the Big Ten #2 would be the representative in the Rose Bowl, which would be Michigan State, not Wisconsin.
That is the most obvious mistake. I didn't look into all the others, but I'm sure more errors could be found there. It is CNN/SI.
Sorry, but the most obvious mistake is that you're somehow reading that they project Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. Carefully read what you quoted. (I didn't even list the Rose Bowl because they don't project an SEC team in it.....MSU/Stanford).
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Jan. 1 Capital One Orlando Missouri (SEC No. 2) vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten No. 2)
This is wrong. If Ohio State is in the National Championship Game, the Big Ten #2 would be the representative in the Rose Bowl, which would be Michigan State, not Wisconsin.
That is the most obvious mistake. I didn't look into all the others, but I'm sure more errors could be found there. It is CNN/SI.
Short of OSU winning Saturday and getting jumped, MSU is in the Rose Bowl no matter what.
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That's what they project....MSU/Stanford in the Rose Bowl. Anarchy read it wrong.
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Seriously, the storming the field stuff has gotten lame.
In a lot of cases I would agree with you.. this just isn't one of them.
No kiddin... I'm very much against storming the field... but I'm on the field after taht game... with that ending?!?! no question...
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My contention is that Wisconsin cannot be the Big Ten #2 under and circumstance. That would either be Ohio State or Michigan State.
I don't know why they list Wisconsin as the Big Ten #2.
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Like I said....it looks like it takes the SEC to beat the SEC.
Of course it does ... have you seen the cream-puffs they schedule for out of conference schedules? 
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Georgia Southern is in the SEC now?
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My contention is that Wisconsin cannot be the Big Ten #2 under and circumstance. That would either be Ohio State or Michigan State.
I don't know why they list Wisconsin as the Big Ten #2.
because bowls don't have to go by standings. they can pick whatever team they please (though some have more restrictions via BCS like Rose). also, Big Ten #2 is actually Big Ten #3 if Ohio State goes to the Nat'l Champ game and Mich State goes to the Rose Bowl.
that's why Michigan may get the Gator Bowl despite their conference record.
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Jan. 2 Sugar New Orleans Auburn (SEC champ) vs. UCF (AAC champ)
Jan. 3 Orange Miami Clemson (BCS at-large) vs. Alabama (BCS at-large)
Dec. 30 Music City Nashville Georgia Tech (ACC No. 6) vs. Ole Miss (SEC)
Dec. 31 AdvoCare Shreveport, La. Boston College (ACC No. 7) vs. Arizona (SEC*)
Dec. 31 Liberty Memphis Marshall (C-USA No. 1) vs. Mississippi State (SEC)
Dec. 31 Chick-fil-A Atlanta Miami (ACC No. 2) vs. South Carolina (SEC)
Jan. 1 Gator Jacksonville Michigan (Big Ten No. 5) vs. Georgia (SEC)
Jan. 1 Outback Tampa Iowa (Big Ten No. 3) vs. Texas A&M (SEC)
Jan. 1 Capital One Orlando Missouri (SEC No. 2) vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten No. 2)
Jan. 3 Cotton Arlington, Texas Baylor (Big 12 No. 2) vs. LSU (SEC)
Jan. 4 BBVA Compass Birmingham, Ala. Rutgers (AAC) vs. Vanderbilt (SEC)
the SEC and Pac12 were the best conferences this year. we really need a Bowl Selection Committee so that in years like this we can pit more teams against each other.
also, it is absolutely blasphemous that the bowl allegiances will not allow for an Oklahoma State vs. Alabama grudge match (as OkieState got screwed over by the BCS last year - similar profile in all regards, 1 loss. also, LSU got screwed over because it's always tough for the winner of an evenly matched contest the 2nd time around).
finally, if it plays out as above, I have a tough time finding more than 5 losses at most for the SEC. and, it's more likely 5-3 to 6-2. having them match up with a down Big10 AND having 2 Big10 teams in the BCS hurts the overall matchups (not to mention having another team not be bowl eligible in a feisty Penn State squad).
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--Someone asked how would Ohio State stop Florida State. Good question. Now, I got one for you. How would Florida St stop Ohio State? This is the best offense I have ever seen at Ohio State. They can beat you in a myriad of ways. Yes, our defense is one of the worst we have fielded in my memory, but this offense is incredible and is perhaps the best offense in the entire country.
This alone worries me. Look, I am a huge Buckeye fan. The wife and kids as well. We live in the area, I work across the street from the main campus, and I am an adjunct professor there (office with a view of the Shoe - awesome) but what I saw Saturday scares me.
That central Michigan university was absolutely putrid on offense for the month (before the Game), heck they averaged a yard a carry over that span (TRich laughs at that). There is no excuse for our D to have looked so out of place and unprepared the entire game. Fickell was outmatched Saturday. The adage is to keep calling the same play until the D stops you, it is not to keep calling the same D until you actually stop the offense.
No worries about the offense, but the D better step it up quite a bit, quickly. If Michigan can do that to us, I shudder to think what a good team can do.
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--Someone asked how would Ohio State stop Florida State. Good question. Now, I got one for you. How would Florida St stop Ohio State? This is the best offense I have ever seen at Ohio State. They can beat you in a myriad of ways. Yes, our defense is one of the worst we have fielded in my memory, but this offense is incredible and is perhaps the best offense in the entire country.
This alone worries me. Look, I am a huge Buckeye fan. The wife and kids as well. We live in the area, I work across the street from the main campus, and I am an adjunct professor there (office with a view of the Shoe - awesome) but what I saw Saturday scares me.
That central Michigan university was absolutely putrid on offense for the month (before the Game), heck they averaged a yard a carry over that span (TRich laughs at that). There is no excuse for our D to have looked so out of place and unprepared the entire game. Fickell was outmatched Saturday. The adage is to keep calling the same play until the D stops you, it is not to keep calling the same D until you actually stop the offense.
No worries about the offense, but the D better step it up quite a bit, quickly. If Michigan can do that to us, I shudder to think what a good team can do.
I'm not worried with what I saw Saturday, because I think the other team got up for that game. The Buckeyes D didn't play great, but credit the othe team.
What I worry about is a lack of pass rush, which has been consistent with this team all year. Should they get into a game against Jameis Winston, I think you have to pressure him. You're not going to sit back and let him pick his spots. He's a freshman. He also hasn't faced a ton of pressure this year. The most pressure he's faced is from the half-assed investigation into his rape accusation.
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I'd really like to see Duke beat FSU to put Missouri in the title game, because even if Ohio State beats FSU, they'll still find a reason to trash the Buckeyes. That could set up the dominoes for the B1G to go 3-1 against the SEC in Bowl season. Quote:
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Jan. 1 Outback Tampa Iowa (Big Ten No. 3) vs. Texas A&M (SEC) This could be an epic disaster for the B1G. Iowa finished strong, but I'd probably rather see Penn State here.
Jan. 1 Capital One Orlando Auburn (SEC No. 2) vs. Wisconsin (Big Ten No. 2) could also be a B1G win
Jan. 6 Ohio State (B1G) v. Missouri (SEC) -- I like Missouri a lot, but I think Ohio State beats them.
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I can tell you this, if OSU or FSU were in the SEC, both would have at least one loss, and I have no reservation in saying that.
That's quite possible.. then it depends on which side of the SEC.. I could see either of them potentially running the table in the east beating USC and Missouri.. the west with Bama, Auburn and LSU is by far the stronger division...
And to be honest, I anticipated comments like yours which is one of the reasons I kind of hope Auburn or Missouri gets into the NC game.... Your comments are what I would expect if the SEC doesn't at least get to play in the game.. I don't just want the SEC to not win the NC championship, I want them to lose the game..
And I think you are absolutely nuts if you think Bama or Auburn or Missouri would wipe the floor with FSU or OSU.. could they win? Of course they could win, they are all very good teams.. but to think it's a given and wouldn't even be close is homerism at its finest... Nobody in the SEC has the dominant defense that has been the signature of the top of that conference for years and what has allowed them to dominate other teams.. Bama's defense is pretty good, Auburn's is fairly pedestrian, Missouri's is decent.. none of them are going to keep FSU or OSU from scoring...
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I'm not worried with what I saw Saturday, because I think the other team got up for that game. The Buckeyes D didn't play great, but credit the othe team.
You're not at all concerned about giving up 600 yards and six touchdowns to an average team? Three 4th-quarter touchdowns?
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Dec. 31 Chick-fil-A Atlanta Miami (ACC No. 2) vs. South Carolina (SEC)
Not sure how old this article is.. but how is Miami the ACC No. 2 when Duke had a better overall record, a better conference record, is higher ranked and... Duke beat Miami head to head?
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Georgia Southern is in the SEC now?
LOL....ok...we sucked this year. At first it was a rash of injuries, then it looks like we quit, and that is on the coach. It was pitiful. I hope we make a coaching change. I don't think "Muschump" has it.
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As stated earlier, ACC #2 simply means the second ACC team selected.
They don't HAVE to go in order by standings, they just get to pick the #2 ACC team.
Miami brings in more money than Duke, so the Chick-Fil-A Bowl could easily take Miami over Duke.
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LOL....ok...we sucked this year. At first it was a rash of injuries, then it looks like we quit, and that is on the coach. It was pitiful. I hope we make a coaching change. I don't think "Muschump" has it.
I can't believe anyone ever thought Muschamp 'had it'
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I'm not worried with what I saw Saturday, because I think the other team got up for that game. The Buckeyes D didn't play great, but credit the othe team.
You're not at all concerned about giving up 600 yards and six touchdowns to an average team? Three 4th-quarter touchdowns?
In one game, not really. It's a rivalry game.
Especially considering that we have already chalked this defense up to not being a vintage Tressel era type defense.
They're going to give up points.
Urban's offense is a bit of a double edged sword. They score quickly. The defense gets right back on the field a lot. For a defense that's not great to begin with, it can come back and bite you. You saw how quick they got down the field on the game winning TD. How much time came off the clock?
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I'm not worried with what I saw Saturday, because I think the other team got up for that game. The Buckeyes D didn't play great, but credit the othe team.
You're not at all concerned about giving up 600 yards and six touchdowns to an average team? Three 4th-quarter touchdowns?
Al Borges and Devin Gardner gave the best performance of their lives. It was a fluke in a rivalry game.
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I look at the trends of this team more than just one game.
Ohio State is always winning. I bet they have been in the lead this entire season probably 90% of the time. That means you know teams are more likely to have to be throwing, and the trend this year with the pass rush scares me.
It's happened all year, pretty much start to finish. They don't get to the QB like they should. Especially to OSU's standards of defense, which over the course of forever, they have had a really good defense.
Fickell takes a lot of heat, maybe more than he should. This is a collection of really good defensive players, but it's not a good team defense. They still made all the plays they needed to, included the stand on the 2pt play. Bad defenses don't get you to 12-0. They just don't. I don't care if it's SEC or Big Ten. They just aren't up to everyone's standard.
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I can tell you this, if OSU or FSU were in the SEC, both would have at least one loss, and I have no reservation in saying that.
That's an opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.
However, OSU has not faltered once this season when everyone else has had a letdown or a bad week. That's a fact. That's why, if they beat MSU, they are far more deserving of a shot at the title than an 1-loss SEC school.
Like I said earlier, I really hope FSU loses and OSU gets Auburn.
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I'll just come out and say it....
People arguing for Auburn or Missouri are wrong, bur for the right reason.
People arguing for Ohio State are right, but for the wrong reason.
The fact is, Ohio State is NOT even one of the top 5 teams in the country. I don't know that many people would argue that. All you need to determine that is the eye-test. They're simply not as good a football team as Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Stanford, maybe not even Oklahoma State or South Carolina.
But you know what, those teams lost. Yeah, their schedules have been much tougher than Ohio State's, but at the end of the day, they lost.
You have to put Ohio State in if they beat Michigan State, but that doesn't mean they're actually one of the best two teams in the country, it simply means the other teams didn't get the job done.
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And even if they win the National Championship, they're not one of the top 5 teams in the country.
Seriously. You SEC honks need to make a list of who is allowed to be the best team in the country before the season starts, so all the other teams should know if they should even bother trying.
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I can tell you this, if OSU or FSU were in the SEC, both would have at least one loss, and I have no reservation in saying that.
So, what you're saying is: If OSU or FSU were in the sec, they'd at worst be tied for first in the sec? Is that right? I mean, I think every sec team has at least one loss, right?
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I'm sorry, but when I watch Ohio State play, I don't see a top team in the country.
If you do, that's fine. But I see an offense that is one dimensional, as Braxton has limited ability throwing the football. I'll give you the run game is outstanding, no arguments here on that. I see a defense that has given up 24+ points in 6 games, 30+ points in 4 games, and over 40 points to Michigan.
I see a good, not elite, football team.
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I'll just come out and say it....
People arguing for Auburn or Missouri are wrong, bur for the right reason.
People arguing for Ohio State are right, but for the wrong reason.
The fact is, Ohio State is NOT even one of the top 5 teams in the country. I don't know that many people would argue that. All you need to determine that is the eye-test. They're simply not as good a football team as Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Stanford, maybe not even Oklahoma State or South Carolina.
But you know what, those teams lost. Yeah, their schedules have been much tougher than Ohio State's, but at the end of the day, they lost.
You have to put Ohio State in if they beat Michigan State, but that doesn't mean they're actually one of the best two teams in the country, it simply means the other teams didn't get the job done.
While I understand what you're saying and you may be right, there's no way to prove it unless you play it out. This is the stuff I'm hoping goes away when the 4-team playoff starts next year.
In the NFL, nobody argues that the 10-6 wildcard team is better than the other division winners. Why? Because it ultimately doesn't matter if they are or aren't better. Each of those teams will have a chance to prove it on the field. If OSU gets in, they have a chance to prove it. If Auburn is left out, they don't get a chance and so on.
Assuming the BCS standings don't move, we'd have:
FSU (1) playing Bama (4)
OSU (2) playing Auburn (3)
I don't think we'd hear a lot of snub talk coming from Mizzu or others. 85% of the country would be good with that final four. And it'd be great TV.
Instead, we get a bunch of conference ranking, SOS, quality wins and margin of victory debate. So lame.
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So Auburn that lost to a mediocre LSU team, Bama that should have beat Auburn, an undefeated FSU, and a team that lost to two unranked teams is better than an undefeated team? Say what you want about OSU, but they don't lose, that's what makes them the best team.
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Say what you want about OSU, but they don't lose, that's what makes them the best team.
Take out "OSU" and replace it with "Northern Illinois" and is that statement still true?
I'm agreeing that Ohio State should be the BCS Championship but simply being undefeated does not make you the 'best' team.
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So the only thing separating Ohio State and Northern Illinois is their 1 win over the BCS Top 25 in Wisconsin?
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So the only thing separating Ohio State and Northern Illinois is their 1 win over the BCS Top 25 in Wisconsin?
Got it.
Strength of schedule matters, but losing also matters (imagine that!).
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I'm failing to see your argument here.
OSU wins both big and small games, while SEC teams do not.
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Easy to win 'big' games when you play one a year, and that 'big' game is against 3 loss Wisconsin
So what's Auburn's excuse on losing those games?
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The fact that they play more than one of them a year?
If you haven't noticed, I said Ohio State should be in the BCS title game. I'm going to keep typing that, so it doesn't go unnoticed, though.
But, playing a primetime game AT LSU isn't exactly the same as playing a primetime game AT HOME against Wisconsin.
And Ohio State doesn't have a win that matches up to either Alabama or Texas A&M.
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