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If the Browns have any players that other teams covet, they must be improving.
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IMO every player is tradable if the price is high enough.
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After today I'd rather trade joe Thomas
Ha,,, I know what you mean, but if you look at him overall, no way do you trade him.
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I agree. You never "not" listen to a serious offer.
I will say that there are times you have a player who other teams aren't going to be able to compensate you adequately....Joe Thomas would be one of them. After that I don't think anybody else is in that boat.
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I would have zero issues if we traded Cameron for a high pick. I think his stock will never be higher than it is right now and I also feel he is soft, he doesnt like contact and is one of those people that will always be looking for an injury excuse.
Love his talent and potential but i dont trust it as far as I can throw Big Phil.
No offense Mourg, but I find this to be an absolutely bizarre take.
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I agree that Cameron isn't an elite blocker or tackle breaker but he is fast for his size (and his size is HUGE) has great hands and runs good routes. The guy creates amazing mismatches and can beat almost any defender for a ball. He is a perfect weapon for the eventual rookie QB that comes to Cleveland.
Having said all of that, any team with a new front office and head coach is going to consider almost any trade offer. Cameron and Gordon are the 2 best players by far on offense and thus get attention (especially considering there are teams that were desperate at WR. SF, NE, MIA, etc...).
No big deal. He (and gordon) could get traded, but probably not.
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Every team has a phone number. Every GM or President can entertain offers.
When a trade is made then we will know what is and what is not BS.
The Browns are on a mission to secure a NFL Pro Bowl caliber quarterback. This draft may have more than one or two. Whatever it takes to land the right guy has got to be considered.
"Considered" is the optimum word here.
As a matter of practice you do not trade young proven talent for draft picks.
The exception is when it can put you into a guaranteed position to land what you believe to be a franchise QB.
If the Jags were willing to trade their number one pick then I am all ears.
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Agreed. Let us also add that he produces in the clutch, is improving (when they call good stuff for him), and especially he uses his body well to screen off defender to get to the ball. If he has been limited in production, it is because he has not been used as heavily as he might. Keeper in my opinion.
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Agreed. Let us also add that he produces in the clutch, is improving (when they call good stuff for him), and especially he uses his body well to screen off defender to get to the ball. If he has been limited in production, it is because he has not been used as heavily as he might. Keeper in my opinion.
I think we can say that of a few players on offense. With even just an average qb production would sky rocket.
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Just clicking Just to let you know we aren't the only team having these kinda things talked about. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...arry-fitzgerald
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yes, but it is much different when talking about a 10 year vet as opposed to two young talents to build around offensively.
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yes, but it is much different when talking about a 10 year vet as opposed to two young talents to build around offensively.
The point was that other teams face having to listen to the media talk about trades..
Who the players are, and what year they are in don't matter.
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Is it just me or is the "Trade deadline hype" at an all time high this year in the NFL? I know it gets this way every year in baseball but I do not ever remember this much trade deadline speculation in the NFL...
or is it just that the Browns finally have a couple players other teams might actually want that I'm hearing more about it this year?
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Well, not EVERY player. There are 10-15 elite players that the trade offer would never reach their current and future value of the player in question, see A.Rodgers. But yes, for the most part, I agree with that statement.
With that being said, I don't see the upside of trading Jordan. He's young, cheap and talented. I suppose getting a first rounder in return would be great and would help us land the QB we want, but trading him to then get a different TE or WR seems like a waste. I guess it just depends on the pick coming back and what we end up doing it. But yes, if it's high enough, take the pick and don't look back.
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Tuesday can't get here fast enough to put a stop to all this BS.
I'll second that!!
Agreed.
But.
I will be one step closer to giving up as a fanatical Browns fan if they trade any of the Browns "top talent".
What troubles me most is, if the Browns are offered a boatload of picks for Gordon or Cameron and take it.
I see nothing in the college ranks that is better than what the Browns already have in the stable at those coveted spots on the roster.
The college talent pool is mediocre at best.
And seems to have been in decline for the last several years.
Very few diamonds to be had.
And the rough ones seem to be the just slightly above average athlete that some of us played pickup games with in our younger days. JMHO.
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...or is it just that the Browns finally have a couple players other teams might actually want that I'm hearing more about it this year?
I think it's that plus the Browns did already trade who many thought were their best player. Once that happened the media speculates that they'd be willing to trade anybody.
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I think it's that plus the Browns did already trade who many thought were their best player. Once that happened the media speculates that they'd be willing to trade anybody.
Probably right,, looked like a potential fire sale.
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j/c... Jordan Cameron is so much better than I thought he could be when we drafted him. Man, he has developed so well.
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j/c... Jordan Cameron is so much better than I thought he could be when we drafted him. Man, he has developed so well.
The word around town is that Cameron practiced very well for USC but Carroll just didn't play him for whatever reason. Strange.
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j/c... Jordan Cameron is so much better than I thought he could be when we drafted him. Man, he has developed so well.
The word around town is that Cameron practiced very well for USC but Carroll just didn't play him for whatever reason. Strange.
Kinda that same way it was with Shurmur... He didn't play him either.
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Under another day before the media has to find other things and propaganda to spread around...
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What does boils down to. Is that the Browns are not allowed to have any decent players.
If we happen to have good players, apparently we need to trade them away.
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You're the same guy who said we were going to trade Taylor, Reubin, and Sheard. Keep taking shots, one of them might stick. 
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You're the same guy who said we were going to trade Taylor, Reubin, and Sheard.
Keep taking shots, one of them might stick.
I never said we "were going to trade" anyone. You make it sound like I was screaming these moves were inevitable...but who knows, these things could still happen as it's not even been one year. I suggested (in the offseason) we could see players becoming less relevant, thus available (due to being released OR traded), because of changes we made defensively, the money they were making this year and next, and because of other moves at their position........Taylor was not one of those people, that's simply idiotic. The three I mentioned were Ahtyba Rubin (not Reubin- you do this far too often with players' names, get it right he's not Jewish), Jabaal Sheard, and D'Qwell Jackson.
I suggested Rubin could be an option to be released or traded at some point as I didn't think he'd fit as a 3-4 DE, think Winn is a better fit long term and can play it just as good- I still do think that. Rubin's contract is up and the end of next year and it's a $8mil cap hit in 2014.
Sheard's concerns from many were whether he could transition to a OLB after playing DE in a 4-3 in both college and the NFL. The FO drafted Mingo and signed Kruger and Groves. What a wild thing to consider that an excess of OLBs could warrant moving a player who hasn't played the position before. He's obviously doing well and am glad he hasn't been traded.
DQwell struggled in the last 3-4 we ran, is in his ninth year in the NFL next year, and will be owed $9.2M. Sorry but I don't think he's doing anything spectacular this year and our LBs have been exposed greatly. This is a person I would watch for in 2014.
Not sure what trade rumors of Cameron and Gordon has anything to do with what I've opined about in the offseason regarding players getting released or moved? All of these thing I said regarding the aforementioned players had to do with age, money, and scheme. Gordon and Cameron fall nowhere near those categories.
Keep taking shots? What did I say on this thread that would lead you to say something as stupid as this? Oh wait, you're simply at it again picking fights...
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You acted like trading Fitz was nothing while trading two unproven guys was huge. Get freaking real.
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Wrong.....again. I said they're "different". You simply interpret it as it's "nothing" because you choose to see only what you want to see and use it to be combative. In fact, Fitzgerald falls in line with the 2/3 categories for the three people I used in my previous post....age and money. Fitz is owed $18M next year, $21M in 2014, and other 3 years after than averaging $16M. He's also 30. This is a far cry from where Gordon and Cameron are in terms of money and age in their career. Again, they are different. Would you build your team offensively around a 30-year old player owed that much money through 2018? I didn't think so. And unproven? Unproven is people in this draft class like Mingo. Cameron has proven in the past he can be explosive and extremely athletic. He's getting his shot as a STARTER and booming on the scene. He's a top TE in numerous categories. Gordon proved himself on the field last year and everyone saw signs of his talent and ability. And this year he has gotten better amidst distractions of trade rumors (admittedly he brought upon himself) but has performed nonetheless. Since week 3 Gordon (his first game) is in the top 5 for receiving yards. It may even be top three after yesterday. Both of these players are performing with average to below average QB play. Unproven....whatever .
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One thing I hate about trade talk when it comes to the Browns best players. We would trade proven NFL talent to draft, unproven nfl talent. So trade Gordon and Cameron to get daft picks to pick a qb who could end up a bust.
Sounds like an easy way to go back to square 1 in a few years. Unless we get crazy good value back, I don't like. We have talent at the position, don't mess with it.
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I don't trade Cameron. I make sure we target him 10 times a game.
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I don't trade Cameron. I make sure we target him 10 times a game.
It's a little bit mind boggling that we aren't doing that.
Or maybe "we" (the coaches) are, and our lacking at QB is why he isn't getting force fed the ball.
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In all seriousness, if this happens, i just might be done with them...... Lets strip this team of all talent. Sounds like a good idea, if you did it week one and there was a Luck to draft. But with three wins, the jags playing horrendous, how does one position themselves for Teddy, if he is the next great one and i'm not so sold on that......
Hopefully this is just some idiot writing an article to get people talking..... and if that is the case, looks like it worked.
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What does boils down to. Is that the Browns are not allowed to have any decent players.
If we happen to have good players, apparently we need to trade them away.
It's not just the Browns, its Cleveland. Heck people are talking about when Kyrie is leaving already.. and the Indians have been nothing but a farm team for playoff contenders for years.
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I'm a pretty good guesser.
Me thinks these cough: Journalists :cough....ASSumed that the Browns were Blowing up the team after we traded Trent. Cause what other reason did we trade our best Fantasy...errrr player for but a full blown regime change BLOW UP!
They just don't get not even when they see the stats that we are avg. over 4 yards per carry after trading Trent as opposed to 3.something with him. They just refuse to believe they were incorrect that they know more than the Browns FO. So in lieu of the IMAGINARY BLOW UP...ANYTHING GOES.
They even had the GALL to propose (all be it a NY Minute) that we were going to trade Joe Thomas.
Then it Schwartz cause Heckert is in Denver.
Gordon cause Brady needs a WR.
Cameron cause the Lions lost their TE.
And the list goes on. note I refrained to call them what I really think of them, cause you dislike that term...so in answering to you I will not use it 
Anyways I'm sure that is what has gone down.
JMHO - 3 weeks now and still no trade...hmmm wonder if we will do it right at the witching hour  I doubt it.
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Everyone on the planet knows that when you are dealing with a player like Gordon, if you are going to trade him, the best time is JUST MINUTES before the trading deadline.
That's when you will get your best and probably final offer.
So I wouldn't ASSume that it's not going to happen until 4:01 pm this afternoon.
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I agree with most of that ....... however, I think that if a team had offered a 2nd round pick for Schwartz, then he would be gone.
I don't think that he fits what they want at RT.
However, I think what happened is what has been said by several in the local media ..... that being that teams had the perception was that once the Browns traded away Richardson, they were going into fire sale/rebuild mode, and that they could get a steal on some of these other players.
I suspect that team called up and said, "Hey, we know that you're building for the future, and that Gordon is one hell of a risk ..... so what if we take on that risk and sent you a 4th round pick for him .....?" Or ...... "We see that you are planning to make your run in a year or 2, and trying to acquire all of the assets you can right now, so what if we sent you a 3rd round pick for Cameron .....? In other words .... simple feelers with low risk, in hopes that the Browns might bite ..... or, at least, counter. I see no chance of a team even getting a counter offer for Cameron. Maybe a pair of 1st rounders ..... but I think that they really like him, and that he's going nowhere. I do think that Gordon has probably provided more internal debate than any other player on the roster. I do think that he could be had for the right deal ..... but that it would have to be a really strong deal. (Like a 1st rounder, plus)
I also think that Banner and Lombardi are constantly looking for any way possible to improve the team. However, Banner has said that he expects to win in every trade he makes, so that means that I don't expect him to just give a player away. I think that's the last thing we have to worry about. He wants to win with regards to every trade he makes. I think that it can,convincingly, be argued that he has won his trades so far.
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Only one trade was made . . . LINKThe Eagles announced they traded 330-pound nose tackle Isaac Sopoaga and a sixth-round pick to the Patriots in exchange for a fifth-round pick.
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Give Cameron the Bess passes. Not like he is using them. More for Fozzy, too! 
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