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I posted this on it's own thread, perhaps I should have posted it here. Would you give the indy first rounder for RG?
Yes I would give indy's 1st rder for RG3....I think it would be a good move. RG3 is struggling this year because it usually takes a year before you really get back into things after having the knee injury he had.
RG3 is a risk, but hes no more a risk then taking one of the 1st rders this year, however, I believe RG3 to be much more talented then any of the QB coming out this year, and maybe even next year....if we could get RG3 for Indy's 1st rder...i say pull the trigger....even if we have to give up our 1st rder instead...a pick between 6-12...i think RG3 would be worth that....
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I may totally be in the minority here, but I think if we can, we should make a deal to get Mark Sanchez off the NY Jets.
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You ARE the minority. And you're off your rocker. No offense. 
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I think the FO should focus their draft on building other areas of the team,if the QB they want isn't there to pick.No point in making things worse by taking another crap QB,and wasting valuable picks.Keep adding to the defense,add a WR,RB,G ect and wait until the QB they want comes along.
I wish we had a choice. I think we gotta see if there is something there in this upcoming draft.
But honestly, if the guy they think is the answer isn't there, no sense it breaking the bank to get another guy they don't believe in.
I've been under the opinion that we had two guys that could do the job in Hoyer and Campbell. I'm of the belief now that Hoyer may still be a strong Backup but Campbell, while possessing all the tools, isn't the answer.
I'd like to see us dump Weeden because he's clearly not the answer, keep Campbell and Hoyer and draft someone to develop if the guy the want isn't there when we draft.
Oh they were already done with Weeden,he won't be here next year.I he is I won't be...lol
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I may totally be in the minority here, but I think if we can, we should make a deal to get Mark Sanchez off the NY Jets.
Sanchez wasn't that bad in 2011 and 2012, he has playoff experience, he is still young, and he has actually won games in the NFL.
Make me puke.
Sanchez is simply not a good QB. He is inaccurate as can be. He was decent with a top running attack and a top defense, but when they started to slide, he fell apart.
I would pass, then pass again just to make it clear.
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Well ..... if Campbell is out for an extended period of time, we may need to sign a QB. (or maybe 2) He is reported to have a concussion, on top of other physical problems. Who is out there? Which quarterbacks are available that the Cleveland Browns might look to sign? | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_river_defaultCLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns may be in the market for a quarterback Monday after starter Jason Campbell suffered a concussion in Sunday's 27-11 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers at FirstEnergy Stadium. With Brandon Weeden the only healthy quarterback on the team and the NFL trading deadline passed, the Browns will likely have to turn their attention to a player from another NFL team's practice squad; or a free agent who does not have a team right now. "We'll talk about that (Monday)," Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said after Sunday's loss about the possibility of adding a quarterback. "We'll evaluate and see where Jason is, but that's a possibility." QBs on NFL practice squads The Browns did try to sign former Wisconsin quarterback Scott Tolzien off the Packers' practice squad about four weeks ago, but the Packers matched the Browns' offer and Tolzien decided to stay with Green Bay. On Sunday, Tolzien started in place of the injured Aaron Rodgers (broken collarbone) and Seneca Wallace. However, Tolzien was ineffective and was replaced by Matt Flynn as the Packers played to a 26-26 tie with the Minnesota Vikings. Here are QBs listed on the practice squads of other NFL teams: Code:
Name, Team Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College
Matt Blanchard, Panthers 6-3 225 24 1 Wisconsin-Whitewater
B.J. Daniels, Seahawks 5-11 217 24 R South Florida
Dennis Dixon, Bills 6-3 215 28 5 Oregon
Seth Doege, Falcons 6-1 197 24 R Texas Tech
Chandler Harnish, Colts 6-2 222 25 1 Northern Illinois
G.J. Kinne, Eagles 6-2 218 24 1 Tulsa
Greg McElroy, Bengals 6-2 225 25 3 Alabama
Jordan Rodgers, Buccaneers 6-1 212 25 R Vanderbilt
Matt Scott, Jaguars 6-3 212 23 R Arizona
Nick Stephens, Ravens 6-3 221 26 1 Tarleton State
Alex Tanney, Cowboys 6-4 220 26 1 Monmouth
Available free agents Here is a list of quarterbacks with NFL experience who are without a team right now, as compiled by the football website thesidelineview.com: Charlie Batch John Beck Levi Brown David Carr B.J. Coleman Trent Edwards Nathan Enderle Caleb Hanie Graham Harrell Jerrod Johnson Mike Kafka Byron Leftwich Matt Leinart JaMarcus Russell Tim Tebow Tyler Thigpen Pat White John Parker Wilson Vince Young Man, what a depressing list. 
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You left out Jeff Garcia.. and he wants the job..
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Well, that was the list the PD put together.
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I think we will be drafting top 7 so it really depends on who comes out and what we think of them. I doubt that the Jags/Vikes would trade Bridgewater regardless of what we offered ad I've mentioned. However, if we like Mariotta, Hundley, etc. then we could either trade up or just draft them where we are.
I really think we have no choice but to draft a QB high or sign a competent starter. Weeden and now Cambell have been awful, and Hoyer simply is an unknown. If I were in the FO I would be beating the drum to pay whatever the number 1 pick holder wants for Bridgewater.........good chance they wouldn't answer our call, but I would definitely call.
It becomes obvious at some point doesn't it Willie????
Arch your simply wrong I feel no need to put you down but we can take a QB even if a 1st round pick at the very top of the draft and let him sit and watch for a time, Rogers sat for what 3 years and its how teams used to draft QB's and bring them along and it worked....
In fact if you were really thinking this thru you would understand that the reason QB's have been rushed to start and play when drafted at the top of the 1st round was because the investment was so large. That is no longer the case, we can afford to wait at least for a time we can, and I think that if we do manage to move up (I think we will) we will wait and not rush the pick to play until he is ready....
Being ready is the key....
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I'd consider bringing in Lalich as a developmental. I'm a ridiculously big Garcia fan but at his age and with our offensive scheme I don't see the point. A few odd facts about Garcia: He is the third of seven children in his family. His twin sisters died before he was born, his younger brother Jason drowned when he was seven, 14 months later his younger sister Kimberly fell out of a truck and died. He attributes his drive to wanting his parents to be happy. He is part Mexican and part Irish like comedian Louis CK
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welp, after yesterday's debacle, we can try trading for mallet, cousins, or see where hoyer takes us.
but we absolutely need a QB in this year's draft.
and we are getting close to a very high draft pick, seeing as how somebody forget to tell jax and TB that they were suppose to lose. jax can very well beat us next week. we are looking at a top 10 draft pick.
which i guess is a good thing? but really sucks to endure THIS season.....yet again.
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I was a Levi Brown fan when he came out. I just like the way he throws a football. Being drafted as late as he was he never got much of a chance to prove himself.
I also liked Matt Scott coming out in the draft but if he cannot even make JAx roster at QB ... but he has a strong arm, great mobility and seems to be clutch late in games.
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We can give up on this RGIII nonsense cuz he's not available and probably never will be. I think this is an unusual spot due to Hoyer being an unknown. He looked great in the games he started but I doubt he has the ability to lead the Browns to a Super Bowl. One thing seems definite and that is that we will, once again, be picking in the top 10. I think we have to get whichever QB we think gives us the potential to be a franchise guy. Trade up, trade picks, do whatever needs to be done to get him. I don't think Bridgewater is going to happen unless the Jags somehow pick after us. Think of a list of teams who want a QB: Jags, Texans, Vikings for sure who could very well be picking before us. Our best case scenario would be if the Falcons would somehow end up with the 1st overall pick and trade with us so we could take Bridgewater. It also depends who comes out next year. Hundley and Mariotta have the ability to come out if they want to but don't have to as they are both red shirt sophmores like Johnny Football. I think Football comes out without even blinking. I would love if Mariotta would come out and we could end up with him. I believe he's 6'4", 230ish so he's got the build. This could be nice too as we could play Hoyer until whoever we draft is ready to play.
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Arch your simply wrong I feel no need to put you down but we can take a QB even if a 1st round pick at the very top of the draft and let him sit and watch for a time, Rogers sat for what 3 years and its how teams used to draft QB's and bring them along and it worked....
In fact if you were really thinking this thru you would understand that the reason QB's have been rushed to start and play when drafted at the top of the 1st round was because the investment was so large. That is no longer the case, we can afford to wait at least for a time we can, and I think that if we do manage to move up (I think we will) we will wait and not rush the pick to play until he is ready....
Being ready is the key....
In the end will see who lives on planet blind............
Okay. I may be wrong. But, I've checked all 13 pages here, and I can't see where I've even posted. Could you enlighten me as to what I was wrong about? If I posted, I can't find what I said.
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should have said anarchy2day my bad.... 
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The question was, WHAT IF?
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KOB...My youngest who we have talked serious football since he was 5 and eventually a pretty darn good little QB. Has an excellent eye - He thinks my opinion is great - but actually I think his opinion is great. We were talking about the Browns QB situation right after the game. As we were done in parting as he left the room to be with his gf...He said "I don't know, somebody is going to get real lucky in obtaining Sanchez...he will be a stud waiting to happen." Note...he in no way is a Jets fan but many of his friends are and got to see him a lot living in NY.
Not going to agree with him...but as stated I really respect his opinion and now I come to the board and read your opinion. Hoyer? Will he be enough to not pursue Sanchez? Will there be a lot of interest in him raising up the cost?
Even if we did - I still remain steadfast Hoyer/Sanchez starts we need to invest high in the draft (high = 1st or 2nd rounds) and develop the young QB while somebody capable starts.
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Well ..... if Campbell is out for an extended period of time, we may need to sign a QB. (or maybe 2) He is reported to have a concussion, on top of other physical problems.
Who is out there?
Which quarterbacks are available that the Cleveland Browns might look to sign? | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_river_default
CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns may be in the market for a quarterback Monday after starter Jason Campbell suffered a concussion in Sunday's 27-11 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers at FirstEnergy Stadium.
With Brandon Weeden the only healthy quarterback on the team and the NFL trading deadline passed, the Browns will likely have to turn their attention to a player from another NFL team's practice squad; or a free agent who does not have a team right now.
"We'll talk about that (Monday)," Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said after Sunday's loss about the possibility of adding a quarterback. "We'll evaluate and see where Jason is, but that's a possibility."
QBs on NFL practice squads
The Browns did try to sign former Wisconsin quarterback Scott Tolzien off the Packers' practice squad about four weeks ago, but the Packers matched the Browns' offer and Tolzien decided to stay with Green Bay. On Sunday, Tolzien started in place of the injured Aaron Rodgers (broken collarbone) and Seneca Wallace. However, Tolzien was ineffective and was replaced by Matt Flynn as the Packers played to a 26-26 tie with the Minnesota Vikings.
Here are QBs listed on the practice squads of other NFL teams:
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Matt Blanchard, Panthers 6-3 225 24 1 Wisconsin-Whitewater
B.J. Daniels, Seahawks 5-11 217 24 R South Florida
Dennis Dixon, Bills 6-3 215 28 5 Oregon
Seth Doege, Falcons 6-1 197 24 R Texas Tech
Chandler Harnish, Colts 6-2 222 25 1 Northern Illinois
G.J. Kinne, Eagles 6-2 218 24 1 Tulsa
Greg McElroy, Bengals 6-2 225 25 3 Alabama
Jordan Rodgers, Buccaneers 6-1 212 25 R Vanderbilt
Matt Scott, Jaguars 6-3 212 23 R Arizona
Nick Stephens, Ravens 6-3 221 26 1 Tarleton State
Alex Tanney, Cowboys 6-4 220 26 1 Monmouth
Available free agents
Here is a list of quarterbacks with NFL experience who are without a team right now, as compiled by the football website thesidelineview.com:
Charlie Batch
John Beck
Levi Brown
David Carr
B.J. Coleman
Trent Edwards
Nathan Enderle
Caleb Hanie
Graham Harrell
Jerrod Johnson
Mike Kafka
Byron Leftwich
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Tim Tebow
Tyler Thigpen
Pat White
John Parker Wilson
Vince Young
Man, what a depressing list.
What an awful, awful list. We honestly might as well stay with Weeden as the starter until Campbell is healthy enough to play again (if he is this season). Sign one or two of those guys as backups to Weeden, but don't start any of them. They're all on the same level as him or worse. A switch to one of them would be pointless at this point of the season. We have a painful five weeks ahead of us as Browns fans.
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I figured it was either that, or you were pre-emptively telling me I was wrong in case I posted.
Well, you are wrong, Arch. 
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Wow! Lot's of very different opinions on what we should do about the QB position. It just goes to show you that it's not going to be an easy decision for this FO. Current collegiate qbs are just so hard to evaluate.
I don't have a really good feel for what we should do, either. I just hope we get it right.
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@BttB: But on a more tangible note, we'll have to see who is wrong.
We both want the same thing we just disagree on the approach which is fine thats why I come to the boards.........
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I don't have a really good feel for what we should do, either. I just hope we get it right
I'm a bit suprised about your stance Vers for years now you and I have been pounding the get the QB drum, now this???
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I am not sure how we get one.
We need to acquire through either FA or a trade, a competent starting caliber veteran QB, backed up by Hoyer, and a draftee (who ?) who can sit and learn under the vet's tutelage. Goodbye Campbell and Weeden....ciao. We simply must resolve this issue prior to next season.
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SUPER BOWL BOUND we gotta get that guy 
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Oh sweet Lord....
We're checking out Caleb Hanie tomorrow.
Everybody who is available that the Browns would check out would get that same reaction. There aren't many options, and none of them are good. Caleb Hanie or the next guy on the list, it doesn't matter.
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@BttB: But on a more tangible note, we'll have to see who is wrong.
We both want the same thing we just disagree on the approach which is fine thats why I come to the boards.........
I know that my approach isn't always conventional, but I really don't think you have to spend a first round pick on your QB to get a quality player. I especially don't think that you have to trade up to get one.
We found that out with Quinn and Weeden. Washington is finding that out the hard way with RG3. Has Sam Bradford worked out for St. Louis? Matthew Stafford in Detroit? How has Gabbert done in Jacksonville? Alex Smith finally developed in San Fran only to be traded away - and I like how he has developed.
We could go through the list of failed first rounders in recent history and the list would be long. Dare I say longer than the list of successful moves up to draft a QB.
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I can't shake the feeling Lombardi finally gets Mallett.
If the price is decent, I would not object to bringing in Mallett. I wouldn't give much more than a 4th rounder for him. I know he was selected in the 3rd, but he has virtually no on-field experience and so I wouldn't give the Patriots more than what they spent for him.
If they want more than that, the Browns should take their chances that one of the QBs they might value in the draft would be there when they select.
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Let's just get Troy Smith in and get the season over with.
Nobody that the Browns bring in could be worse in a pinch than Brandon Weeden as the starter.
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Nobody that the Browns bring in could be worse in a pinch than Brandon Weeden as the starter.
No doubt. But that doesn't change the fact that this season is a lost cause.
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We're checking out Caleb Hanie tomorrow.
Everybody who is available that the Browns would check out would get that same reaction. There aren't many options, and none of them are good. Caleb Hanie or the next guy on the list, it doesn't matter.
Nope does not matter anybody would give the Browns more hope for a win than Weeds.
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Oh please. At least we have won a few games with Weeden. He has proved that he's not the long term QB ...... but we have managed to win a few games with him making plays for us. Caleb Hanie or most of the others on that list of guys we could bring in would make us look at Weeden with fond remembrance if they actually had to play. Weeden might be a bum, but the guys on the list above are a whole different category of bum. 
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Wow! Lot's of very different opinions on what we should do about the QB position. It just goes to show you that it's not going to be an easy decision for this FO. Current collegiate qbs are just so hard to evaluate.
I don't have a really good feel for what we should do, either. I just hope we get it right.
Versatile Dawg. Watch as much game film as you can on this kid.
Blake Bortles UCF. 6' 4" 230lbs.
Everyone is catching on to this guy. We may have to use our Indy pick when all is said and done. I don't even care about his competition. This guy has alot going for him.
Accuracy
Pocket Awareness
Mobility
Leadership
More than enough arm to make any and all throws.
Size.
That's everything you look for as a starting point. Put this guy under Turner for a year and have Hoyer run the show for awhile.
Don't be surprised if Bortles ends up the best QB in this draft in 3 years.
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Let's just get Troy Smith in and get the season over with.
Nobody that the Browns bring in could be worse in a pinch than Brandon Weeden as the starter.
No doubt. But that doesn't change the fact that this season is a lost cause.
I know. That's what seems to be depressing for us as Browns fans. We start each season with hope and optimism only to have it shattered (most often, so much earlier) during the season.
As was pointed out somewhere (here or something else I read), the Browns were only in it because the rest of the AFC has been just as pathetic.
We had something with Hoyer (and I think he'll be a fine QB) and then when he went down for the season. We had residual optimism and we thought we might have something with Campbell because of his QB rating in the following two games. It turned out to be fool's gold. Now, we've lost the fool's gold and we're just left holding manure again.
How they straighten out this mess is anyone's guess at this point, but I don't see us keeping either Weeden or Campbell next year. So, we'll have to bring in at least two QBs (the one that they sign this week won't be here next year either) in either free agency, the draft or both.
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Wow! Lot's of very different opinions on what we should do about the QB position. It just goes to show you that it's not going to be an easy decision for this FO. Current collegiate qbs are just so hard to evaluate.
I don't have a really good feel for what we should do, either. I just hope we get it right.
Versatile Dawg. Watch as much game film as you can on this kid.
Blake Bortles UCF. 6' 4" 230lbs.
Everyone is catching on to this guy. We may have to use our Indy pick when all is said and done. I don't even care about his competition. This guy has alot going for him.
Accuracy
Pocket Awareness
Mobility
Leadership
More than enough arm to make any and all throws.
Size.
That's everything you look for as a starting point. Put this guy under Turner for a year and have Hoyer run the show for awhile.
Don't be surprised if Bortles ends up the best QB in this draft in 3 years.
I don't know if Bortles is entering the draft or not.
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